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stereobreadsticks posted:Looks like China's lost at least Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Gansu, Qinghai, Hainan, and all three northeastern provinces. A very June 4 map. Though it's the 5th here now. Edit for new page map.  From cool cartographic story in The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/books/gallery/2016/jun/03/mapping-britain-across-time-in-pictures-london-map-fair tough stains fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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of all the revanchist state policies, Taiwan's is the most  
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I think that's pretty much "everything that the Qing (in theory) owned in 1912".
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vyelkin posted:Politically loaded because wtf is that China? I saw it too but was afraid to to point it out because what if it did turn out to be the shape of China somehow
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Why does nobody ever put Russia or Canada on these maps?
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The pro-Russian lobby doesn't want you to find out that Russia is actually the size of Andorra and that they just got Mercator-lucky.
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Phlegmish posted:I saw it too but was afraid to to point it out because what if it did turn out to be the shape of China somehow e: India is missing its eastern provinces though. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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cebrail posted:Politically loaded because UK is part of Europe and not its own continent. They're going to have a vote on that in a few weeks.
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cheerfullydrab posted:They're going to have a vote on that in a few weeks. Wow, I didn't know "Brexit" was meant in such a literal sense
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System Metternich posted:Wow, I didn't know "Brexit" was meant in such a literal sense If you cut the Chunnel Britain will just float away
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the UK slamming into the eastern seaboard would be a disaster Better Together, for the sake of us all
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Aliquid posted:the UK slamming into the eastern seaboard would be a disaster It won't slam, it'll just gently drift until Northern Ireland just touches the coast of Nag's Head
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Broken Cog posted:Why does nobody ever put Russia or Canada on these maps? 
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cebrail posted:Politically loaded because UK is part of Europe and not its own continent. That's still three weeks away. E: dammit!
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Aliquid posted:of all the revanchist state policies, Taiwan's is the most To be fair, this is mostly wankery and fantasizing by the KMT (Nationalist Party). Everyone outside of that party tends to think that Taiwan should just be Taiwan.
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YF19pilot posted:Everyone outside of that party tends to think that Taiwan should just be Taiwan.  and a little bit of Fujian
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YF19pilot posted:To be fair, this is mostly wankery and fantasizing by the KMT (Nationalist Party). Everyone outside of that party tends to think that Taiwan should just be Taiwan. There's also that if Taiwan renounced its claims to the mainland, the PRC could interpret that as declaring independence. I don't think there's anyone in Taiwan who takes that claim map seriously. Also those provincial borders are super weird, I'm guessing those are from before the PRC? Xikang doesn't exist anymore, Ningxia is way too big, etc.
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Grand Fromage posted:Also those provincial borders are super weird, I'm guessing those are from before the PRC? Xikang doesn't exist anymore, Ningxia is way too big, etc. Yeah, the PRC reworked all of the frontier borders in the 1950s. The borders in Manchuria look like they were still the Qing-era ones
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China needs to rework its borders with Taiwan the same way they reworked their borders with Tibet and India.
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Grand Fromage posted:There's also that if Taiwan renounced its claims to the mainland, the PRC could interpret that as declaring independence. I don't think there's anyone in Taiwan who takes that claim map seriously. I'm sure there's a few people in the KMT and a few other Nationalistic types that do. Shbobdb posted:China needs to rework its borders with Taiwan the same way they reworked their borders with Tibet and India. I like living in Good China; I don't want to live in Real China.
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YF19pilot posted:I'm sure there's a few people in the KMT and a few other Nationalistic types that do. No sane people, anyway.
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Didn't the KMT renounce their claims on Mongolia? I'm pretty sure I remember that being a thing somewhat recently.
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SoggyBobcat posted:Didn't the KMT renounce their claims on Mongolia? I'm pretty sure I remember that being a thing somewhat recently. I'm struggling to remember, but I believe there was one of those tiny island townships that the PRC gave up on that recently decided or threatened to quit the ROC and join the PRC. Can't think of the name though, but I think it's one of those poorer regions that gets little support from the ROC and only exists as a middle finger to the PRC.
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The whole ROC/PRC/China/Taiwan thing is one of the best examples of how a political situation in reality can be at the mercy of a political fiction (or rather, several incompatible fictions) that's largely detached from reality. Or rather, why politically-loaded maps are made to begin with.
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YF19pilot posted:I'm struggling to remember, but I believe there was one of those tiny island townships that the PRC gave up on that recently decided or threatened to quit the ROC and join the PRC. Can't think of the name though, but I think it's one of those poorer regions that gets little support from the ROC and only exists as a middle finger to the PRC. This crops up occasionally about Kinmen County, the islands off the coast that Taiwan runs. The New York Times noted in 2011 that: "The people of Kinmen consider themselves culturally closer to the nearby mainland province of Fujian than to Taiwan, and are debating how much to welcome mainlanders’ money and influence." Sometimes they feel neglected by Taipei. The Mainland even sells them their water supply. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/world/asia/kinmen-seeks-to-evolve-as-china-and-taiwan-improve-ties.html?_r=0
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Coincidentally, a mile-long bridge between Kinmen and Fujian opens this month.
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IntricoInutile posted:This crops up occasionally about Kinmen County, the islands off the coast that Taiwan runs. The New York Times noted in 2011 that: "The people of Kinmen consider themselves culturally closer to the nearby mainland province of Fujian than to Taiwan, and are debating how much to welcome mainlanders’ money and influence." Kinmen also has COMPLETELY loving BONKERS old coastal defenses. Taiwan spent the fifties and sixties turning the islands into a hellish meatgrinder crammed to bursting with underground bunkers and various crazy bullshit. A lot of it has been decommissioned but I want to go poke around the parts where I am unlikely to explode from a booby trap they missed someday.
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SoggyBobcat posted:Didn't the KMT renounce their claims on Mongolia? I'm pretty sure I remember that being a thing somewhat recently. Can't remember, but I was pretty susrprised to hear a friend tell me Mongolia was a part of Taiwan.
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Examples of how Google Maps and Bing Maps give different results based on the viewer's geographic location.
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Craptacular posted:Examples of how Google Maps and Bing Maps give different results based on the viewer's geographic location. Chinese Google Maps show the South China Sea and Taiwan as PRC territory, but Hong Kong and Taipei are still marked as national capitals (circle + dot).
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Soviet Commubot posted:
This is an old post, but that's pretty much the Public Land Survey System, assuming this is Michigan (I see an 'Alger' there). It's why roads in the Midwest make sense and are Good and Orderly.
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Eskaton posted:This is an old post, but that's pretty much the Public Land Survey System, assuming this is Michigan (I see an 'Alger' there). It's why roads in the Midwest make sense and are Good and Orderly. I believe it's been posted before, but... 
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I believe it's been posted before, but... I'm surprised the Australian interior doesn't have straighter roads.
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Pakled posted:I'm surprised the Australian interior doesn't have straighter roads. the problem is that the bulk of the australian interior is unproductive desert and the whole point of a strict orthogonal gridiron road system is that it makes surveying and parcelling land super easy
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Here's the source for the roads map, if anyone's interested. The Netherlands and Germandy kinda bucking the wider European trend might be explained by the problem of "way splitting" which he details on his page. He also tried a "religions of the world" map with the interesting approach of cataloguing what's the most common denomination in local church buildings is, but the maps won't appear to me. Anyone else?
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Whiz Palace posted:Chinese Google Maps show the South China Sea and Taiwan as PRC territory, but Hong Kong and Taipei are still marked as national capitals (circle + dot). Hong Kong and Taiwan are considered to be "special economic zones" and enjoy a legal status which is above just being a mere province in the PRC's eyes. That and someone at Google being lazy.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I believe it's been posted before, but...
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bagual posted:don't remember seeing this one here so here it goes
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