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Kaza42
Oct 3, 2013

Blood and Souls and all that
I just had the Spanish Civil war last until late 1940, with the Republicans winning in the end. They lasted so long that the Republicans joined the allies and the Nationalists the Axis. Germany hadn't made it through France, so France sent down a few divisions and finished off the Nationalists. Still, never seen it go that long. I was Britain and was planning to take the pressure spain focus after it was over, but that wasn't needed.

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sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?
Vichy France game was cool and good. Japan beat back China on it' own. The US was tied up all game with a civil war I started. British Raj took the combined forces of me, Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain and a few others to take down, and we still were almost beaten back more than once. This is what the world looked like after the peace conference, right before I dropped 30 nukes on the US



I just started as Argentina for my second game. The French Commune pops up in December 1936, and France immediately declares war on Germany.



This is going to end well.

e: france was annexed before the spanish civil war started

sentimental snail fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Jun 9, 2016

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
Just acquired the game, fired it up as the Soviet Union to have a look around. I immediately see that there's a 'Purged by Trotsky' flag on several ministers that is currently untrue. My only question is: how the hell do I turn the USSR Trotskyist? :getin:

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR
I don't remember exactly how you trigger it but there is an event chain to make Trotsky take over the USSR and put an end to Stalin in a quite ironic way.

Trogdos!
Jul 11, 2009

A DRAGON POKEMAN
well technically a water/flying type
Get the great purge focus and then purge no-one?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Trogdos! posted:

Get the great purge focus and then purge no-one?

Isn't that the trigger for a war with a neutral Russia (that pops up in Ukraine for some reason) led by some disgruntled generals or something?

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
There are almost as many foreign divisions fighting in the Spanish Civil War as there are Spanish ones. At this point fascist volunteer divisions fighting for the Nationalists outnumber the actual Nationalist army. You've got the Italians and Germans, obviously, but also a shitload of Imperial Japanese volunteers for some reason.

Also, I gave the Republicans a shitload of airplanes and tanks, is there any way I can tell whether or not they're using them?

Trogdos!
Jul 11, 2009

A DRAGON POKEMAN
well technically a water/flying type

Drone posted:

Isn't that the trigger for a war with a neutral Russia (that pops up in Ukraine for some reason) led by some disgruntled generals or something?
IIRC the purge had three phases (events) in it, first one was political and the following events mainly military. So maybe purge only the military, then?

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
Yeah, I tried purging nobody at all during the purge event chain, and it just resulted in a massive right-wing revolt in the Ukraine with Stalin still in power in the USSR.

On the bright side, I managed to turn Ireland communist for no reason.

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

"Infantry is the way to go! Spam infantry!"
"Tanks are worthless!"


150 IS-7 rolling to the enemy frontline in a beautiful formation. gently caress the germans. :ussr:

Traxis
Jul 2, 2006

Lol, how many of those divisions did you actually build?

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Michaellaneous posted:

"Infantry is the way to go! Spam infantry!"
"Tanks are worthless!"


150 IS-7 rolling to the enemy frontline in a beautiful formation. gently caress the germans. :ussr:

Comrade :ussr:

Trogdos!
Jul 11, 2009

A DRAGON POKEMAN
well technically a water/flying type
Aren't those motorized/mechanized divisions quite wasted because regular foot infantry already marches at 4km/h which is the speed of that division? Though they're probably the cheapest part of that div :v:

Mandatory Assembly
May 25, 2008

it's time to get juche
Lipstick Apathy

Michaellaneous posted:

"Infantry is the way to go! Spam infantry!"
"Tanks are worthless!"


150 IS-7 rolling to the enemy frontline in a beautiful formation. gently caress the germans. :ussr:

You must have downloaded that mod that elimates the experience cost of editing divisions.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Mister Bates posted:

Yeah, I tried purging nobody at all during the purge event chain, and it just resulted in a massive right-wing revolt in the Ukraine with Stalin still in power in the USSR.

On the bright side, I managed to turn Ireland communist for no reason.

Wait, does this mean that Stalin was right?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Michaellaneous posted:

"Infantry is the way to go! Spam infantry!"
"Tanks are worthless!"


150 IS-7 rolling to the enemy frontline in a beautiful formation. gently caress the germans. :ussr:

So does it actually work despite its massive costs?

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

UncleSmoothie posted:

You must have downloaded that mod that elimates the experience cost of editing divisions.

What? No. That whole thing only cost like 150XP and by the amount of war I am waging...that is basically nothing.

Traxis posted:

Lol, how many of those divisions did you actually build?

10 of them are currently around, pushing people's poo poo in.

Trogdos! posted:

Aren't those motorized/mechanized divisions quite wasted because regular foot infantry already marches at 4km/h which is the speed of that division? Though they're probably the cheapest part of that div :v:

It is my standard tank loadout. All of my divisions look like that (tanks, SPG and AA variant)
Only the light tank division replaces the mechs with the TD variant.

Drone posted:

So does it actually work despite its massive costs?

If you can afford them? Yeah. The extreme breakthrough and high armor allows you to push those heavily fortified regions without a lot of losses. But...well, you gotta be a powerhouse.

Tindahbawx
Oct 14, 2011

Why on earth is there 3 sea tiles between Britain and France in the Channel, when there is also 3 sea tiles between the South of France and North Africa?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Why is there only one air zone for the entirety of Australia when there's something like 6 for Italy alone?

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009
Why do people fail to understand that areas of strategic importance in a WW2 grand strategy game get more detail than wasteland where nothing happens?

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003
Go play hexfield grognard games if you want equal opportunity sizes.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

I want an Emperor of the Fading Sun's mod for this.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

Fellblade posted:

Why do people fail to understand that areas of strategic importance in a WW2 grand strategy game get more detail than wasteland where nothing happens?

If the Pacific War actually happened in a serious way it might be important to separate northern Australia from the rest because it was kinda important that south Australia was safe from Japanese air attack whereas the north was not.

Unfortunately, what happens is when Japan declares war on the Allies, it's already basically locked into china and just invades Burma rather than invading the Pacific, resulting in it being kinda easy for the US to just build a naval base in Guam or something and just invading Japan right then and there.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

So apparently according to the forums if you have more than 9 carriers in a battle they can't actually use their planes.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003
Hmmm, just had my first CTD in the 1946 peace conference where we were partitioning the USSR as the Allies. Democratic Italy was claiming the Bosporus of course! I want all the Romes.

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

Stairmaster posted:

So apparently according to the forums if you have more than 9 carriers in a battle they can't actually use their planes.

No I think they just get an overcrowded mali which doesn't allow to them start all of their planes.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

So, trip report from my USSR game. TLDR: needs a little tuning in the UI, some oddities with the AI, in general a Good Game, a worthy successor to HOI2.

I started as the USSR and went very historically internal policy wise. Helped Republican Spain win the Civil War.

Heavy build up from the get go and a shrewd use of a war with Finland in 1938 to get rid of the Purge penalties (to get Lessons of the War) and research bonuses to jump to T-34s in 1940. Annexed Finland in 1938.

I never once cooperated with Germany or Japan on anything, so come 1939 Germany rolled over Poland, set up the usual puppets, rolled over Benelux and France.

Italy basically took over almost all of Africa, as seems to happen.

Germany declared war on Norway, annexed them. Germany declared war on Sweden, got bogged down in late 1941. Yugoslavia's a mess, Italy can't seem to knock them out. Greece remains neutral.

By spring 1942 I felt strong enough, having also annexed the Baltics, and declared war on the War with Germany focus. I had some tank divisions but mostly I had 4x4 infantry with 4x1 artillery rounding out, and some support anti-tank. I beelined a lot of AT tech and improvements.

Early on in Eastern Poland the Germans fought hard but I was able to overcome them because Germany had no air forces to speak of. I can only guess the RAF wiped them out utterly. I didn't have enough forces to effect a breakthrough in Romania, which had been puppeted after I stole Bessarabia from them, but I started pushing Hitler's poo poo in in Poland. I pocketed and wiped out thirty divisions within a month.

So, some AI observations:
- The AI seems to struggle a little with prioritizing fronts and points. When Republican Spain invaded Vichy, the German and Italian AI didn't care, but as soon as Spain reached the German and Italian borders, the AI started moving troops from the eastern front. This is understandable in that Germany was probably out of troops to take care of two fronts, which happened IRL as well, but it was still jarring that they didn't really react until their own border was under threat. It also meant that by June 1942 I was stomping in Berlin because the German AI left gaps in the eastern front with no divisions at all.
- This did mean that once I advanced and the front was compressed, the AI was able to marshal itself and form a stiffer resistance while my forces got spread out and I couldn't break through as well. It's an interesting tug of war.
- Like I said above the AI had squandered their air force on something so I had full reign over the skies.
- Germany is bogged down in Scania and Yugoslavia, Vichy is being overrun and the USSR has taken over all of Eastern Germany. But they are still in the war and are nowhere near capitulating. It's fun in gameplay wise but a little strange.
- The AI needs to probably take better care not to get encircled with 10-20 divisions.
- The battle plan AI keeps strategic redeploying troops all over the front willy nilly and it's driving me nuts. Maybe it's because of not having enough supply? The supply throttle on how many troops you can bring to bear seems to be well executed otherwise.

Sylink
Apr 17, 2004

Is there anywhere to determine how effective airpower is? I am defending as France and sending planes to do whatever but I can't tell if they are killing Germans or what.

Vorpal Cat
Mar 19, 2009

Oh god what did I just post?
A few pages late, but there is one other use for rocket artillery that hasn't been mentioned, support rocket artillery stacks with regular support artillery, so you can give your Paratroopers/Marines/Mountain Divisions a bigger punch. Plus the Idea of air dropping rocket artillery amuses me.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003

Vorpal Cat posted:

A few pages late, but there is one other use for rocket artillery that hasn't been mentioned, support rocket artillery stacks with regular support artillery, so you can give your Paratroopers/Marines/Mountain Divisions a bigger punch. Plus the Idea of air dropping rocket artillery amuses me.

Yeah doubling up with both support arty and rocket arty seems like a great idea for maximum soft attack.

Promontory
Apr 6, 2011
The secret allied plan for thwarting Germany:


A snaking corridor stretching from Yugoslavia to Hamburg, filled to the brim with Soviet, British, Turkish, Iraqi, Iranian and Saudi troops. As far as I can tell, most provinces are suffering from attrition. Germany pissed off everyone, but I think several smaller nations have effectively bled out their manpower in whatever attempt that is. Finland, for example, has one division left. Note Warsaw, which is not being seriously threatened while hundreds of Soviet divisions are pushing to the North Sea through the Alps.

The only way I can try to explain that is that the Brits, Swedes and Finns made a strong push in Prussia, capturing Berlin twice, and the AI tried to link up with that pocket. That attempt failed long ago, so now that thin corridor is all that is left. Warscore is exactly at zero, since the Germans still have enough divisions to pocket and destroy any branches coming off that trunk. Most of the Soviet divisions near Berlin in this picture were soon cut off and defeated.

Meanwhile my six Canadian infantry divisions are holding a beachhead in Normandy, after their British and Australian buddies wandered off. The United States have 600 divisions, but they are all on their home soil, carpeting the land with divisions. As of 1942 they have not moved aside from sending volunteer forces and a few divisions fighting Spain. I had instigated a coup in Spain to distract Germany when the US joined the war. The Germans soon defeated the coup, but all allied nations are in a separate war against the ruling government (aside from me, for some reason). The US was already sailing divisions over, but when democratic Spain was defeated, their AI seemingly broke and only four divisions landed in Spain.

My hope is that my airforce can do enough infrastructure damage to make the Germans lose the attrition war first.

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

Modding question: Can I not assign special tanks to specific factions? I can't seem to find that option in the armor research txt?

mottbag
Nov 11, 2009
Is there a bug where you lose your navy? I got a notification saying that one of my carriers was destroyed by navel bombers, but it seems my whole navy is gone. RIP operation Sea Lion/Carrier focused Germany run.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Anyone know if AA guns are worth it?

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Just got the game but I need to know if you can play as Australia and do your own gig and basically build a piratical empire in the pacific and nab all those delicious resources. This is important for me.

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR

Angry Lobster posted:

Just got the game but I need to know if you can play as Australia and do your own gig and basically build a piratical empire in the pacific and nab all those delicious resources. This is important for me.

Yes play Australia and turn Fascist. Trust me just do it, you'll love it.



Nobody spoil the surprise for him yet.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Groogy posted:

Yes play Australia and turn Fascist. Trust me just do it, you'll love it.



Nobody spoil the surprise for him yet.

Going to take your word for it, will try this after completing the tutorial, gonna be a glorious trainwreck.

ArchRanger
Mar 19, 2007
I'm tired of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're goin' and meet up with 'em there.

Gort posted:

Anyone know if AA guns are worth it?

They seemed to have greatly lessened the bombardment that I was taking from the allies in northern italy but I have no real way of confirming it.

I'm really loving this, especially after the poo poo show that was HoI3, but a few things like that could definitely be more transparent. I've gotten a handle on the air interface but am still scratching my head over naval combat. It makes me miss two's navies as here I have repeatedly lost track of where a fleet is entirely after I send them out on a mission. I'm partway through an invasion of Japan from Russia and I'm still not even sure if naval units are selectable things on the map or not after they've set sail.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Groogy posted:

Nobody spoil the surprise for him yet.

It's a kangaroo on the fascist flag, isn't it? A kangaroo doing the Hitler salute.

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Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR

waitwhatno posted:

It's a kangaroo on the fascist flag, isn't it? A kangaroo doing the Hitler salute.

You should try Communist Australia....

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