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Cutting open cats to eat the delicious kittens inside. What do you mean that's not normal? Kids will be kids!
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kcroy posted:What if they live on a farm and are cutting the nuts off of sheep, and then cooking and eating them later? then they should see a different professional......a culinary professional.
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Winds of Winter is somehow going to involve a magic horn that makes the wall crumble. (Didn't Mance claim to have such a thing?) Problem is magic horns were a stupid device in the Bible much less a few thousand years later.
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Apeshit Sixfingers posted:Cutting open cats to eat the delicious kittens inside. Please to not disrespect China's 5000 years of culture.
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davecrazy posted:Winds of Winter is somehow going to involve a magic horn that makes the wall crumble. (Didn't Mance claim to have such a thing?) Problem is magic horns were a stupid device in the Bible much less a few thousand years later. Mance had the horn and Jon Snow captured it when Stannis's army smashed Mance's Wildling army.
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Jun 9, 2016 12:58
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The horn benjen stashed at the fist of the first men is a much more likely candidate to be Chekhov's horn, it even appeared on the show.
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Jun 9, 2016 13:08
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kcroy posted:His dad hunts for sport for gently caress sake. Every day he is around people butchering animals for food. But his curiosity about babies makes him a monster? I'm almost 99% sure GRRM is just using the "cuts open animals as kid = psychopath" tv trope because he's a lazy writer. This confusion is further compounded by the fact that he fails to write him as a genuine psychopath throughout the books but rather more of an overly spoiled kid with some sadistic tendencies.
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Jun 9, 2016 13:29
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Syncopated posted:Please to not disrespect China's 5000 years of culture. Next you all will be complaining that eating jellied dog-brains, or unborn puppy while dripping honey on my man tits makes me some sort of savage.
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Jun 9, 2016 13:33
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:I'm almost 99% sure GRRM is just using the "cuts open animals as kid = psychopath" tv trope because he's a lazy writer. This confusion is further compounded by the fact that he fails to write him as a genuine psychopath throughout the books but rather more of an overly spoiled kid with some sadistic tendencies. thanks, glad someone else sees it that way.
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Jun 9, 2016 13:34
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kcroy posted:His dad hunts for sport for gently caress sake. Every day he is around people butchering animals for food. But his curiosity about babies makes him a monster? You seriously have problems dude.
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Jun 9, 2016 13:34
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Joffrey being a sadist and Joffrey cutting up a pregnant cat are not mutually exclusive, GRRM never diagnosed Joffrey as a psychopath, it's never stated that he can't feel empathy, there's certainly an element of that (not caring about Bran's injury) but he also clearly takes pleasure from lording over others and inflicting pain and misery. I think you guys might be conflating stuff that the fans say with stuff that's actually written in the books.
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davecrazy posted:Winds of Winter is somehow going to involve a magic horn that makes the wall crumble. (Didn't Mance claim to have such a thing?) Problem is magic horns were a stupid device in the Bible much less a few thousand years later. mr. Leaf: Hey - did you see where I left the remote for bringing the wall down? ms. Leaf: Oh that old thing? I didn't think you would ever use it. We spent so long building that wall to keep out our bio-abominations and all mr Leaf: Well, I mean I never would, but I like to play with it sometimes you know? ms Leaf: I just don't get you Leafmen. Why would you make that thing in the first place, much less make it something small that you can lose behind the couch. mr Leaf: Oh LeafWomen.. you know what they say - Leafmen are from Mars, Leafwomen are from ... Mars too? I forget our origin story (laugh track) ms Leaf: Oh you! mr Leaf: Anyway, you are right we probably shouldn't leaf that just laying around, one of those stupid wights might walk off with it ms Leaf: Or that pile of obsidian! What is that good for anyway? mr Leaf: Oh, it kills white walkers ms Leaf... wait, what? mr Leaf: Yeah, it totally fucks them up ms Leaf: Pilsa Hawker - that actress? mr Leaf: Huh?! I said it Kills mr Leaf: Oh I have to go. Tell me later ok? ( leafs the room ) mr Leaf: Alas I die Benjen: Hey can I borrow this wall breaking horn thing? mr Leaf: ( silent. He is dead) Benejen: Aight then, Gonna go bury this and some useless dragon glass under a hill somewhere. I hate being a wight. Stupid nesting instinct. I Keep burying poo poo like a loving cat and their poop. How the gently caress did I end up on the wall anyway? Oh right, I raped Lyanna that one time and got her pregnant with Child before she ran away with Rhaegar. Benejen: ( leafs the room ) mr Leaf: ( enters the room sees dead Mr. Leaf ) ms Leaf: Mr Leaf! You have died, now we are all alone in the universe except for my few remaining breatheren. If only there were some weapon we had against the white walkers. Or some place we could go that the white walkers couldn't follow. Like a giant magic barrier or something. Oh what was silly old mr. Leaf looking for again? Oh well. (applause ) kcroy fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jun 9, 2016 |
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Jun 9, 2016 13:46
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Huh. Okay.
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Jun 9, 2016 13:49
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Joffrey being a sadist and Joffrey cutting up a pregnant cat are not mutually exclusive, GRRM never diagnosed Joffrey as a psychopath, it's never stated that he can't feel empathy, there's certainly an element of that (not caring about Bran's injury) but he also clearly takes pleasure from lording over others and inflicting pain and misery. He's right guys. Joffrey who had his future wife beaten and stripped in front of court and then made her look at her dead dad's head, not to mention mutilating animals as a kid and showing no empathy ever in the entire text, can not be called a psychopath because gurm didn't write a 10 page psych eval letting us know explicitly that Joffrey was "a psychopath." At most we can only say he was "not a good guy."
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TommyGun85 posted:then they should see a different professional......a culinary professional. 
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Solice Kirsk posted:He's right guys. Joffrey who had his future wife beaten and stripped in front of court and then made her look at her dead dad's head, not to mention mutilating animals as a kid and showing no empathy ever in the entire text, can not be called a psychopath because gurm didn't write a 10 page psych eval letting us know explicitly that Joffrey was "a psychopath." At most we can only say he was "not a good guy." No because a psychopath is someone who is incapable of feeling empathy, it's actually not a black and white thing you know, like most mental disorders it exists on a spectrum, moreover not every psychopath is a sadist neither is psychopathy a requisite for sadism, if you didn't understand what I wrote you can just ask dude. Joffrey has motivations more specific than just "he can't feel empathy", that's what I said to the guys who were accusing GRRM of writing Joffrey as this sort of lazy psychopath trope, it's just not true.
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Last I read about it psychopathy isn't an actual medical diagnosis, h t h.
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Subvisual Haze posted:You seriously have problems dude. The Mother cat was dying from cat cancer. If it hadn't been for Joffrey's emergency c-section ( a process the Maesters would not learn to perform for 1000s of years ) those kittens would have died. But instead Joffrey was successful in delivering those poor kittens and nursing them to full health. Despite the beatings he received for "wasting time" when he should be out hunting and kill boar and deer and pheasent and loving underage whores like a "real man". In fact, one of the litter grew and prospered and had her OWN litter.. one of which you might remember. A certain gift for Tommen named "Pounce".
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Jun 9, 2016 14:30
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joffery idolized robert, who killed the poo poo out of animals and beat women and was generally a dumb poo poo head, and his brains probably a bit hosed up from the whole twincest thing in addition to the regular old cousin loving that the rest of his family tree is full of
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The Bad Thread: "The Winds Of Winter" will clock in at an impressive 69 minutes
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jsoh posted:joffery idolized robert, who killed the poo poo out of animals and beat women and was generally a dumb poo poo head, and his brains probably a bit hosed up from the whole twincest thing in addition to the regular old cousin loving that the rest of his family tree is full of Yes and on top of all of that Robert quite overtly despised him, throw in to that mix a mother who nourished all of her sons flaws instead of helping him grow out of them. GRRMs story irt to Joffrey is really not all about Joff being born a psycho, it has sufficient nuance.
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Jun 9, 2016 14:46
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boom boom boom posted:God, every book includes a whole bunch of new characters I suddenly have to know about. I don't remember how many Boltons there are, and if any of them aren't evil, and I just got a handle on the Greyjoys, now I have to remember all these loving Dornish princesses Oh that is such an excellent comic. Toss the books aside, you're making a great choice.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Dany and Jon are the two central characters in that novel. It also features Aegon (the mummer's dragon) and Quentyn (the dragon tamer). Dany and Jon are equally important in the other books though (aw gently caress for cocks excluded). I assumed the title ment that some dragons where ment to fight in some way, but they didn't. Aegon was just there, and Quentyn just died.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:No because a psychopath is someone who is incapable of feeling empathy, it's actually not a black and white thing you know, like most mental disorders it exists on a spectrum, moreover not every psychopath is a sadist neither is psychopathy a requisite for sadism, if you didn't understand what I wrote you can just ask dude. im no psychologist, but I think you are confusing psychopaths with sociopaths. correct me if im wrong and im too lazy to google but I think psychopaths are aware of their actions and the emotional consequences and enjoy this while sociopaths dont feel empathy and are not aware that their actions are problematic. either way, its NOT loving normal for kids to dissect animals unless they are child prodigy morticians. *reality show idea*
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Zurui posted:One of my "favorite" things about the novels is that GURM can't write actual history in any sense. When the War of the Five Kings is on only one loses due to realistic historical forces (and even then it's because Theon is an idiot and overextends their army by a lot). yeah this is poo poo i always complain about (also if tywin's forces marched to king's landing to defeat stannis he'd pretty much immediately lose the war to robb based on time/distances)
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TommyGun85 posted:im no psychologist, but I think you are confusing psychopaths with sociopaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy quote:Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/), also known as—though sometimes differentiated from—sociopathy (/soʊsiˈɒpəθi/), is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior I guess it can be argued there's a difference but for the purpose of the discussion everyone seems to be talking about the same thing anyway. I'm don't think anyone is saying Joff is a normal kid and I personally have never argued torturing animals is normal (I even anecdotally brought up that I as a kid reported other kids who did it to the police), the argument is more about whether GRRM characterized him lazily as a sociopath or whether GRRM created a rather believable character that could also be described as a sociopath\psychopath in a believable manner, I'm in the latter camp. poo poo discussion anyway, who cares really.
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I used to step on potato bugs because it made me feel like Godzilla. Then it made a neighbor girl of mine cry cause she liked to keep them as pets in a little pillbox her mom gave her. I've felt guilty about that ever since, and I'm sure when I'm in hell I'll be stepped on 7,777 times by giant potato bugs wearing light up sneakers. I'm sure Joffrey was more confused as to why his dad was mad and beat him up, and I'm sure Cersei took him aside and told him he did nothing wrong and that he's a good boy and the cats were enemies of House Lannister and he was only doing what was right to protect his family. The one eyed tom was the lone survivor of that attack and plotted his downfall. MrSlam fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jun 9, 2016 |
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Okay so he cut open a cat, but the part that got him a beating, was that he was proud. He held up the dead or dying fetuses to his dad and expected to be rewarded. He didn't say "I'm confused, I thought it'd be different... what did I even do here?" he was like "hey dad, this poo poo I did is great, you approve, right?" and that horrifying disconnect from what a person with emotions should have and his complete inability to read his father's face was what made it a "This kid is hosed up in a fundamental way" that is meant to be common sense to people.
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Krinkle posted:Okay so he cut open a cat, but the part that got him a beating, was that he was proud. He held up the dead or dying fetuses to his dad and expected to be rewarded. He didn't say "I'm confused, I thought it'd be different... what did I even do here?" he was like "hey dad, this poo poo I did is great, you approve, right?" and that horrifying disconnect from what a person with emotions should have and his complete inability to read his father's face was what made it a "This kid is hosed up in a fundamental way" that is meant to be common sense to people. he's a fictive character from a hack fantasy series
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Yes and on top of all of that Robert quite overtly despised him, throw in to that mix a mother who nourished all of her sons flaws instead of helping him grow out of them. GRRMs story irt to Joffrey is really not all about Joff being born a psycho, it has sufficient nuance. Well, I would also add to this the fact that in the books' context, with the recent history of a genuine Mad King, people would be more weary of a king showing those kinds of tendencies, yet no one goes out of their way to call him Mad King Joffrey even as a joke. It's clearly framed that in comparison, Joff is just a stupid rear end in a top hat and not really all that out there. Of course by modern psychoanalytical definition they are both crazy, if not feeling empathy + killed someone or animal + being somewhat delusional/maladjusted is the definition then that's half+ the cast (Stannis, Arya, Brienne cannot be right in the head etc.) I could take it further and say in pop books/movies/tv a PSYCHOOO is not that often depicted in a realistic manner, for example the Fight Club split personality being a standard trope which in real life psychology is not even a thing that exists. So, in terms of in the context of the books ONLY, Joff is not really a psychopath but just kind of a sadist, which Im guessing IS intentional to illustrate the grimdark fantasy setting where everyone is hosed up. Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Krinkle posted:Okay so he cut open a cat, but the part that got him a beating, was that he was proud. He held up the dead or dying fetuses to his dad and expected to be rewarded. He didn't say "I'm confused, I thought it'd be different... what did I even do here?" he was like "hey dad, this poo poo I did is great, you approve, right?" and that horrifying disconnect from what a person with emotions should have and his complete inability to read his father's face was what made it a "This kid is hosed up in a fundamental way" that is meant to be common sense to people. That just makes me feel worse for Joffrey. So he did this thing, brought these kitties to show off, and instead of getting praise he gets a massive beat down. To flip the script as they say - your pet cat brings a dead baby bird and leaves it in your bed as a gift. Who goes and beats their cat for that? In fact if you did, you would be a horrible cat-abuser and everyone would revile you.
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kcroy posted:That just makes me feel worse for Joffrey. So he did this thing, brought these kitties to show off, and instead of getting praise he gets a massive beat down. To flip the script as they say - your pet cat brings a dead baby bird and leaves it in your bed as a gift. Who goes and beats their cat for that? In fact if you did, you would be a horrible cat-abuser and everyone would revile you. Humans aren't cats
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boom boom boom posted:Humans aren't cats I know you have to beat them way harder to get them to listen, amirite?
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kcroy posted:His dad hunts for sport for gently caress sake. Every day he is around people butchering animals for food. But his curiosity about babies makes him a monster? You are an idiot.
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kcroy posted:I know you have to beat them way harder to get them to listen, amirite? Nobody is calling Robert dad of the year, but if a kid brings you the corpse of a cat he killed, that's a pretty serious issue! If a cat brings you a corpse of a bird, that's not an issue, because it's a cat. Children aren't cats.
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A new study has just confirmed that cats actually recognize their owner's voices and commands better than dogs do, but just choose to absolutely ignore and tune them out. I hate cats
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They don't consider you to be their owner. They own.
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TommyGun85 posted:A new study has just confirmed that cats actually recognize their owner's voices and commands better than dogs do, but just choose to absolutely ignore and tune them out. I hope this is true, because I sing to my cat in a very pleasant manner as I stroke her back, but I say things like she's a stupid ugly bitch and one day I'm going through her dead smelly carcass in the dumpster. E: also, Tommen and Myrcella are both kind hearted, weren't Joffrey's actions antagonistic toward his siblings too? That's a pretty bad thing I think. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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