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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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ronya posted:hmm, I feel that Blair experienced the opposite - his administration sailed in on a tide of political imagination and will and requisite deftness, but these were skills and ideas polished in the era of Kinnock - ie constructed assuming that ideal Labour policy is more or less obvious and the main problem is a combative activist base Cheers for this - interesting analysis. It does feel like Blairism is suffering the same absence of intellectual heavyweights that the Tories did post-Thatcher. Heck, I'd say they only recovered thanks to Blair managing to develop King Herod's touch but turning things to poo poo instead of gold by 2007 and the financial crisis giving them FINALLY something to hammer Labour about. Remember how Cameron was routinely mocked in opposition for not actually proposing anything but just going "I'll tell you what we won't do! We won't ___________" with whatever policy of Labour's they were trying to kick? The sheer vacuity of his rhetoric meant that even come 2010 he was meant to be having a cakewalk into power but still failed to secure an absolute majority. 1943: the end of the Battle of Stalingrad, the Axis fail to take it
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I'm not sure Corbyn failing to revive old policies is a bad thing. He gets poo poo for minor things like nuclear disarmament. Imagine the field day they'd have with someone who wants to "betray" the UK by giving NI to Ireland. Remember all the lovely awful military blowhards telling the papers they'd totally be up for murdering Corbyn to protect the country for commies. Well that times a million. I'd say the political zeitgeist of the UK outright requires one to take babysteps or the media will make an example of you.
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Jun 9, 2016 17:29
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Noxville posted:It's health and safety gone mad Har har. People moving in next to what they know is a music venue and then complaining about it are the loving worst.
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Jun 9, 2016 17:32
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Coohoolin posted:Har har. music in the UK is dead, as with all things Scotland is just resisting the terminal shitness a bit longer
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Jun 9, 2016 17:34
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Local music is good and cool and worth supporting.
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Jun 9, 2016 17:37
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Its happened, we've reached peak Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/09/jonathan-franzen-cats-screens-feline-harm
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Jun 9, 2016 17:40
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Coohoolin posted:Har har. Depends. We moved beside a pub, knowing full well it was going to be noisy. It was an old man's pub. Never had a problem with them. Then a few years later the contract expired and two shitheads bought it and turned it into a shithole with lovely irish music (fake chuckies ahoy) until 6am and fighting out on the streets. Pub is same name, just different management. If the same situation happened as with us here, I can understand it. Guavanaut posted:Local music is good and cool and worth supporting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSGtRoEQYA
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Jun 9, 2016 17:42
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happyhippy posted:Depends. Became a music venue 3 years ago. Neighbour moved in within the last 2.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:01
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StoneOfShame posted:Its happened, we've reached peak Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/09/jonathan-franzen-cats-screens-feline-harm They missed the opportunity to reference El Gato and hence why this, like everything else wrong with this planet, is the fault of one Jeremy Corbyn, therefore I'm going to have to give this -1 Guardian.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:06
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Guavanaut posted:Except table salt No chemicals but incites children to racism. A shameful toy.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:07
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Coohoolin posted:Became a music venue 3 years ago. Neighbour moved in within the last 2.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:07
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sometimes I can hear sax music until well past midnight from a bar I live near but I like it
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Jun 9, 2016 18:07
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Brown Moses posted:I'm guessing 1 million new voters in the last 3 days have now made recent polls a rather unreliable measurement of the likely referendum outcome. 
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Jun 9, 2016 18:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIeF7cQR-70] Really should be the thread theme song.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:09
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tooterfish posted:It might be the only place they can get. It's not like people are overburdened with choice when it comes to housing in this country. I get that, but it's Aberdeen and complaining about music is dumb. What's also dumb is the council refusing to help fund the soundproofing they require, especially when the decibel limit they've imposed is set off by car alarms, shop alarms, and drunk people talking outside a club.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:10
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i'm going to vote leave but I don't really care what happens either way because i'm nearly certain whatever comes next will be horrible
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Jun 9, 2016 18:10
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tooterfish posted:It might be the only place they can get. It's not like people are overburdened with choice when it comes to housing in this country. So buy some noise cancelling ear plugs to sleep in. Seriously, if you move in next to a place that plays music & then complain about the place that plays music, you are an arsehole. At some point the only venues left for bands to play are going to the the Hydro, O2 & similar vast arenas that accommodate thousands. Maybe that's OK to you if you're interest in music is so superficial that the only live music you'd consider watching is Coldplay, U2 & Adele, but for those of us with slightly more passion for music, be it new music, niche genres, whatever, venues of between 50 & 200 capacity are the lifeblood of countless scenes up & down the country.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:12
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:i'm going to vote leave but I don't really care what happens either way because i'm nearly certain whatever comes next will be horrible If you don't care why vote leave?
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Jun 9, 2016 18:14
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Namtab posted:If you don't care why vote leave? I care slightly more about having our legislators close at hand to hassle and also I despise the EU for the usual pile of reasons that "lexiters" generally have. I mean I don't care as far as outcomes - either way is going to be horrible and unbearable. I'm not going to slit my wrists if we vote remain.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:16
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I really don't understand why people get weird about the EU being "unelected". You don't elect the other thousand odd seats in parliament either, you elect one. You have the same vote for the EU. Pretending arbitrary national borders are somehow different to arbitrary constituency borders is bizarre
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Jun 9, 2016 18:19
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forkboy84 posted:So buy some noise cancelling ear plugs to sleep in. Seriously, if you move in next to a place that plays music & then complain about the place that plays music, you are an arsehole. At some point the only venues left for bands to play are going to the the Hydro, O2 & similar vast arenas that accommodate thousands. Maybe that's OK to you if you're interest in music is so superficial that the only live music you'd consider watching is Coldplay, U2 & Adele, but for those of us with slightly more passion for music, be it new music, niche genres, whatever, venues of between 50 & 200 capacity are the lifeblood of countless scenes up & down the country. Sometimes people are arseholes, sometimes people are just trying to get by. It's called empathy you passive aggressive hipster twat. "If your interest in music is so superficial"... lol.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:20
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Spangly A posted:I really don't understand why people get weird about the EU being "unelected". You don't elect the other thousand odd seats in parliament either, you elect one. You have the same vote for the EU. Pretending arbitrary national borders are somehow different to arbitrary constituency borders is bizarre yeah that's a weird thing to get hung up on but people probably mean they feel it lacks legitimacy whereas they feel the national government is more legitimate or representative somehow.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:20
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Phoon posted:sometimes I can hear sax music until well past midnight from a bar I live near but I like it do you sit in lingerie on your windowsill eating a flake while listening to it?
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Jun 9, 2016 18:22
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Spangly A posted:I really don't understand why people get weird about the EU being "unelected". You don't elect the other thousand odd seats in parliament either, you elect one. You have the same vote for the EU. Pretending arbitrary national borders are somehow different to arbitrary constituency borders is bizarre It's been weird the whole way. https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/701734838756368388
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Jun 9, 2016 18:24
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Voter extension may be legally challenged by Arron Banksquote:A prominent Leave campaigner is considering launching a legal challenge after the government extended the EU referendum voter registration deadline. What constitution?
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Jun 9, 2016 18:25
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Coohoolin posted:Became a music venue 3 years ago. Neighbour moved in within the last 2. Got a new job that required them to be up early in the morning? Had a child? Diagnosed with a health condition? There are plenty of things which could have happened within 2 years to change that person's circumstances.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:26
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dispatch_async posted:Voter extension may be legally challenged by Arron Banks if a millionaire wants to invest in windmill tilting i'm all for it
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Jun 9, 2016 18:26
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If somebody opened a music venue next door I'd be furious.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:29
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tooterfish posted:loving hell, defensive much? I was just musing, not proclaiming the guy's god given right to get a venue shut. Yes, I am defensive because lots of venues I used to go & see bands I like are no longer there. Lot of venues up & down the country from London to Glasgow & every city in between has lost venues, and often it's because of exactly the reason stated by Coohoolin. It's a serious issue & yes, maybe it sounds hipster but it's really not, it's just "I like music which is unpleasant to most people & thus has a niche audience, so obviously Eyehategod will never sell out 1/50th of the capacity of the Hydro". People can get pissy and "passive aggressive" when selfish NIMBYs try to take things they like away. There's nothing inherently wrong with having a superficial interest in music. It's not a judgement. It's a statement of fact, some people don't read the music press, don't go to dozens of live shows a year, don't buy music in large quantities & usually consume music through the radio, in the background. No need to be so touchy about it.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:29
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Perhaps there is a problem with having mixed residential and commercial use of land? It would be better to designate commercial zones which are integrated with residential areas but appropriately buffered and sound-shielded from nearby houses.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:34
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OwlFancier posted:Perhaps there is a problem with having mixed residential and commercial use of land? It would be better to designate commercial zones which are integrated with residential areas but appropriately buffered and sound-shielded from nearby houses. A bit more seriously, the problem with rigid segregation like that is it tends to lead to soulless suburbs, commercial parks or industrial estates. The consensus in town planning has gone back towards mixed-use stuff in recent decades because of that (well and also cos property developers love building one-bed shoebox flats above shopping centres). edit: better building standards would fix some of the problems. (Soundproofing in British flats is terrible wtf). Maybe you could even get music venues to soundproof themselves but the cost of doing that might bankrupt them. edit2: otoh I guess a soundproofed venue could stay open till 4am or whatever so maybe that would help, idk
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Jun 9, 2016 18:37
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Spangly A posted:I really don't understand why people get weird about the EU being "unelected". You don't elect the other thousand odd seats in parliament either, you elect one. You have the same vote for the EU. Pretending arbitrary national borders are somehow different to arbitrary constituency borders is bizarre The Leave side makes a point about there being apparently five unelected European Presidents. Their applicable counterparts in the UK are similarly unelected. And in at least three cases, popular election doesn't even make sense.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:40
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Mixed use is fine for some things but building a late event venue next to housing is not one of those things. Housing with parks and schools integrated. Good. Housing with grocery shopping integreted. Good. Commercial and office districts with parks integrated, good. Nightclubs next to your granny flats. Bad. A mix of better planning and investment in proper venue and housing construction would be helpful but looooool spending money on things that aren't for rich people.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:40
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I'd hate to live next door to a nightclub. Imagine the noise.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:42
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Coohoolin posted:I get that, but it's Aberdeen and complaining about music is dumb. What's also dumb is the council refusing to help fund the soundproofing they require, especially when the decibel limit they've imposed is set off by car alarms, shop alarms, and drunk people talking outside a club. Not commenting on this particular pub you love, but why is that stupid? If my neighbours car alarm / shop burglar alarm was going off every night I'd be onto the council sharpish. Totally unreasonable.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:46
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:yeah that's a weird thing to get hung up on but people probably mean they feel it lacks legitimacy whereas they feel the national government is more legitimate or representative somehow. Especially since they have shown no qualms about steamrollering over basic ideas of common law like "rights are implicit unless specifically prohibited" in the past month in the name of political expediency. Pissflaps posted:If somebody opened a music venue next door I'd be furious.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:48
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Sure, no-one wants a nightclub or bar to open nex to them. But if you move into a property, and there's already a venue which hosts live music, you shouldn't have the right to get that venue shut down when they weren't doing anything different.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:48
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Phoon posted:sometimes I can hear sax music until well past midnight from a bar I live near but I like it What plays sax music near you? I thought the only music place by you was the Vic which doesn't play sax music. Anyway you are an arsehole if you move near an existing venue or pub and complain about the noise as a general rule but the laws exist before complaints are made, there are set acceptable noise levels and if a venue operates without accounting for them then they are running the risk of getting complaints and forced to change. Even though the bloke moved in after the venue should have already been preventing noise levels getting to a point were any complaints would be listened to. This slightly different to the worst situation where new builds are built next to a venue causing noise level restrictions to change.
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Jun 9, 2016 18:49
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Spangly A posted:I really don't understand why people get weird about the EU being "unelected". You don't elect the other thousand odd seats in parliament either, you elect one. You have the same vote for the EU. Pretending arbitrary national borders are somehow different to arbitrary constituency borders is bizarre These people are also likely to either vote for UKIP who intentionally don't do anything useful with their MEP positions or don't bother voting for EU elections. They are fuckwits. So are all pro-leavers pretending there are good left-wing reasons for voting for a campaign based on the wank fantasies and wishful thinking of right-wing bell-ends, voting out while under a tory government is the action of the inexcusably stupid or loving scum. Someone tell Oi Polloi to write a song called "gently caress everyone who votes for Brexit".
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Pissflaps posted:I'd hate to live next door to a nightclub. Imagine the noise. Pissflaps gets very angry if he hears sounds at all. Why, if he hears a pin drop his momentary anger is calmed by realising he was able to hear it at all.
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