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boom boom boom posted:There's the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy OK there, Master Inferrer.
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I'm not a republican but I do like the people I am trusting to run the government with my vote actually are accountable with FOIA requests and all. I would hate to wake up and find a Nixon breaking the rules.
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Grognan posted:I'm not a republican but I do like the people I am trusting to run the government with my vote actually are accountable with FOIA requests and all. I would hate to wake up and find a Nixon breaking the rules. I have bad news for you about FOIA...
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Jun 10, 2016 03:12
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Hollismason posted:I have bad news for you about FOIA... What, it's bogged down for 75 years of wait time because they drag their feet and get a load of requests?
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Jun 10, 2016 03:14
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Kilroy posted:You seem to be giving away an awful lot of poo poo in this thread though. Where was your shitposting when Bush admin officials did exactly the same thing according to basically the same regulations and policies? Where was you shitposting when we had warrantless wiretapping? After the Snowden leaks?  I'm pretty strongly in favor of transparency as a necessary facet of liberal democratic government, I don't know why you're taking this point about the not insignificant failing of such an important figure so personally.
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Giving a pass because of whomever that person is, and especially because he or she is beloved by their constituency would be a mistake. Hence an FBI investigation that won't indict probably but will probably be a goddamn case study in how not to try contravening the Federal Records Act by running things out of your house in a cabinet position.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:22
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I have to be honest that all the news about Zika is scaring the poo poo out of me, especially since I live in the South and my job is 95% outside. I mean if 80% of Puerto Ricans getting it is a possibility, then my chances don't seem very good. I suppose the only consolation is that I'm not planning to get pregnant anytime soon. Please tell me that this is Ebola Freakout 2.0 and my fears are unwarranted.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:25
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GreyjoyBastard posted:My position boils down to: if drones are being used for things we would normally use planes for, they are an unequivocal good on all counts. When they enable things we would never use a plane for, it becomes an interesting conversation but I am cautiously pro drone if the procedures involved aren't garbage. The enabling things we would never use a plane for is the big sticking point, though. Things like the "High Value Target Assassination" drone program have largely washed away the public perception of drones being anything more than remote killing, and the leaked report on the HVTA program paint it as useful addition to counter-insurgency tactics, but rapidly detrimental if leaned on too heavily. The report came out in 2009, but the usage of drones in this manner has gone up significantly, and has stayed elevated compared to the years before the report. I am concerned as the folks telling us who to point these things at tend to be the CIA, and what with the various other leaks about black sites and the CIA's love of war crimes I am not super keen to trust their judgement on who they pick out as targets.
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Ah good old Prestor. Anyone can correct me if I am wrong but the current GOP tries to cater to 3 very distinct planks. Plank one are the sugar daddy's the 1%. The good old Rockefeller republicans. The leaders of the free market fighters of the dreaded communism. But with the fall of the USSR in the 90s we are going on to like 30 years of victory so their credibility in the public eye seems to have weaken alot. Now the are being replaced with the Liberian ryndians etc. Plank Two: The racist basically the people that started coming to the party from the passing of the civil rights act and the capstone was some speech given by reagon with the magic words "STATES RIGHTS" This are trumps core supporters. They want all none whites out and gone now. Plank three: The fundamentalists These are the people prestor has alot of first time experience with. They are choosen by god, They free prosecution by the goverment, UFO's, Satanists, The would love for the goverment to be nothing short of theocracy, but only provided that its their specific flavor of theocracy. The GOP used wedge issues like GAY,s Public displays of the ten commandments prayer in school abortion, etc to appeal to them. You can see that these groups honestly have nothing in common the rich people love the cheap labor and what ever money they can squeeze out of illegals, so they arent gonna be gung ho for the racist (besides beinga bigot is bad for business) Like wise they dont wanna go on the moral crusades of the third group. Plank TWO would loving love them some well fare along with labor and trade protections, but WHITES ONLY. Plank Three: Honestly have no idea what they want other than I guess in the 1980s it was the complete censorship of all media. The internet kinda killed that push. Along with showing that access to porn wasnt gonna make us all sex crazed rapists. I kinda wish all the people in the 1980s who cried about music and toys and called the smurfs homosexual zombies got called on the carpet for how things worked out. Anyway. In what group does trump belong? I would say none. He is out for himself believes what every he wants when ever he wants. He is commanding the Racist group and the GOP is afraid to lose them. Which I find so loving odd. Untill the war on terror Muslims, voted conservative, hell it would be easy to use socail issues to grab the Latino vote. But the racism just puts them in the D camp.
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boom boom boom posted:There's the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy I don't post here often but I've had a bit of experience in government level info sec as I worked in the industry around the time of Clinton becoming SoS. At the time there was no such thing as receiving classified email on a mobile device that wasn't a specially built device. Here's a good example of state of the art circa 2008 - https://gdmissionsystems.com/cyber/products/secure-voice/sectera-edge/ It's very likely that the state dept had no mechanism for delivering classified email to smartphones and the only option would be unclassified email.
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Grognan posted:You mean the unclassified system? State department email servers live on OpenNet, which is an unclassified network.
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boom boom boom posted:There's the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy Those servers she could have used are the same State Department email system that was hacked. That's the alternative, not some better more secure email. I'm not defending her mistake, just pointing out how the massively larger issues are being ignored to focus on the private email server. Since you're just curious and still open to changing your mind, consider that the main accusation is that someone forwarded Clinton an email that criticized a public article. No one has ever had any evidence anyone manually copied classified data into a regular email: quote:The State Department has both classified and unclassified systems — known informally as the “high side” and the “low side.” The classified system has tight controls, often housed in what is known as a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF); it is not possible to “cut and paste” from the classified system into the unclassified system. Instead, one would have to extract the information from the classified system and then reenter it manually into the unclassified system. Thus far, no one has alleged that happened. Of course the great irony is we got to read more of her emails because of the stupid server.
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max4me posted:Ah good old Prestor. Where do the neocons fit in? Also Trump belongs to the racist group since he's taking their views to the extreme. I think the idea that Latinos are socially conservative has been debunked. Mainly it's a generational thing, much like with other ethnicities.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:33
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FourLeaf posted:I have to be honest that all the news about Zika is scaring the poo poo out of me, especially since I live in the South and my job is 95% outside. You're a goon so getting zika will only be a very mild flu if you even notice it. If you plan on having kids on the other hand....
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Jun 10, 2016 03:34
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max4me posted:Ah good old Prestor. Judging by the way Cruz got skunked by Trump among evangelicals, I'm gonna suggest that your third group is just a subset of your second group.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:36
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Honestly, I got the Email and Benghazi investigations intertwined because didn't the Benghazi guy say that he was told to just make stuff up to keep it running to make Hillary look bad? Though yea, it feels like the GOP and their info machine has made mountains out of every molehill they could find, hoping that something would stick, and what concerns me is the number of Bernie supporters being sucked into it uncritically because despite them being left wing, it seems like they have been conditioned to believe that all the smoke from Hillary means that there is fire. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trumps really bad no good week continues I read about this too, and I reminded me of a thing I read months ago when Trump started to really pick up steam where other business people who had delt with him saying he was always unhanded, cheated them and would always bluster when confront them and bluster he way out of it. There is going to be a point where every single person Trump has poo poo on will be coming out of the woodwork with stories about what an idiot and failure he is.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:38
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If 80% of the population of Puerto Rico got Zika I'm pretty sure in 30 years there'd just be tumble weeds all over Puerto Rico.
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Trabisnikof posted:Instead, congressional aides say, the concern centers on the fact that secret information was revealed as part of an email exchange. In at least one case, the discussion started with an aide forwarding a newspaper article; then in subsequent exchanges, aides revealed sensitive details as they discussed (for instance) the shortcomings of that public report. Ultimately the email chain ended up in Clinton’s email box. If the email chain was released, some intelligence officials believe, it would confirm aspects of a secret program. That would be some "bend you over a barrel" poo poo in the DoD. Especially on unclassified communications. Maybe it isn't the secretary but the goddamn state dept aides that needs to shape up more.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:42
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Hollismason posted:If 80% of the population of Puerto Rico got Zika I'm pretty sure in 30 years there'd just be tumble weeds all over Puerto Rico. AT this rate that's going to happen anyway and it'll only be ten.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:48
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Grognan posted:That would be some "bend you over a barrel" poo poo in the DoD. Especially on unclassified communications. Maybe it isn't the secretary but the goddamn state dept aides that needs to shape up more. David Petraeus was charged with a misdemeanor. Also, classification after the fact is a thing and sensitive information is not the same as classified, though one can turn into the other later, or be considered such by someone from another department.
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Grognan posted:SAP is so far above that poo poo that I don't even know about that.  Here's a hint, there are only three classification levels outside of unclassified. Also maybe Ive missed something, but none of the emails found were classified at time of being sent. Also, Clinton has original classification authority on state issued data.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:AT this rate that's going to happen anyway and it'll only be ten. Sad but true.
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GladRagKraken posted:Judging by the way Cruz got skunked by Trump among evangelicals, I'm gonna suggest that your third group is just a subset of your second group. Nah, there's definitely a decently-sized faction of Conservative Christians that have been making a point to reject Trump even after he beat Cruz. Trump has revealed a split in Evangelicals between the True Believers and the ones just using religion as a cover. Not sure what to call the latter group. Prosperity Gospel Christians?
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Jun 10, 2016 03:55
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citybeatnik posted:Oh hey, "gently caress rapists in general and this rear end in a top hat specifically" appears to have bipartisan support. Poe was a judge in Houston before he was a Congressman and it might not surprise you that he was a huge rear end in a top hat that gave completely ridiculous sentences to teenagers and hosed their lives enough that they ended up in perpetual criminals in and out of prison for most of their lives.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:55
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Bunleigh posted:I was wondering who Vox's explainer on the tweet was for. I guess it was for you. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/741007091947556864 How is Trump so bad at dealing with Hillary? Combed Thunderclap posted:Disappointed that HRC's Twitter staff didn't go full meme and post "delete ur account" verbatim but one supposes a lady must always be polite. 
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Sir Tonk posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/741007091947556864 A powerful woman who is an equal challenger to Trump is something that doesn't exist in Trump's worldview. She's living in his blind spot. That doesn't necessarily mean she'll win, it just means at some point there's going to be a crash.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:57
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Boon posted:Also maybe Ive missed something, but none of the emails found were classified at time of being sent.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A powerful woman who is an equal challenger to Trump is something that doesn't exist in Trump's worldview. She's living in his blind spot. I cannot come up with a situation in a debate where he could turn the tables on her in the eyes of the general electorate. In the primary among republicans he can do some macho poo poo and talk down to people, but at the general level that just doesn't fly. Right?
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I actually recently went down the rabbit hole and read through a bunch of Conservative Christian blogs and found out about The Benedict Option. Basically a call for believers to acknowledge they've lost the culture wars, the Republicans are frauds, and it's time to withdraw from society and live in like-minded religious communities where the government can't force them to deal with LGBT people.
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stone cold posted:9/11 turned Frank Miller into five thousand shades of crazy so maybe that. I suppose. Alan Moore speculates that Miller's always been super right-wing at least tho, and that it's pretty consistently visible in his work if you know to look for it. It's certainly all over Dark Knight Returns, which is basically just "Batman x Dirty Harry" complete with some of the most obnoxiously depicted soft-on-crime bureaucrat pinko strawmen I've seen in Tier-1 property comics.
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It's roughly 10% defect rate for women infected during their first trimester. The scary part about zika is the infection doesn't really present itself to a healthy individual. So said healthy person might get pregnant at the wrong time. The best course of action, until zika runs its course, is to stick giving some good head so no babies get a bad head.
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FourLeaf posted:I actually recently went down the rabbit hole and read through a bunch of Conservative Christian blogs and found out about The Benedict Option. Basically a call for believers to acknowledge they've lost the culture wars, the Republicans are frauds, and it's time to withdraw from society and live in like-minded religious communities where the government can't force them to deal with LGBT people. Hey if they just gently caress off to their own little molestation communes and never vote again that's all right with me.
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FourLeaf posted:Nah, there's definitely a decently-sized faction of Conservative Christians that have been making a point to reject Trump even after he beat Cruz. Trump has revealed a split in Evangelicals between the True Believers and the ones just using religion as a cover. Not sure what to call the latter group. Prosperity Gospel Christians? He has a Christian advisor that says stuff like " Trump points up when he's talking because he's showing where he gets his ideas from!".
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FAUXTON posted:Hey if they just gently caress off to their own little molestation communes and never vote again that's all right with me. It'll be a loving nightmare for social services workers, though.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Disappointed that HRC's Twitter staff didn't go full meme and post "delete ur account" verbatim but one supposes a lady must always be polite. alas, if we didn't get a nice meltdown 10 seconds after that turd of a response, when it would've been the most perfect nice meltdown in history resulting in the retiring on the meme, we probably aren't going to get one. Probably for the best but  what could've been
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Frank Miller has always been crazier than a poo poo house rat. He didn't need 9/11 to push him over the edge he'd have gladly jumped off it on his own by now.
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Sir Tonk posted:Good lord, what the hell was he thinking? These loving idiots on bikes are everywhere in NYC
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The usual belief in the mind of the cyclist is, "the rules of the road don't apply to me, I can do whatever I want!" so he probably thought that cars being blocked off meant bikes are still fine, like how he's allowed to just blow through stoplights and stop signs!
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