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Roland Jones posted:How Endeavor handles his new position going forward will be interesting. He's a completely repugnant human being, of course, but how he reacts to finally "achieving" his goals and what he just saw should be interesting. Also interesting will be how the manga handles him; hopefully Horikoshi doesn't go too far trying to make him sympathetic or something. Endeavour dragged a woman into a loveless marriage for the purpose of turning her into a brood mare; locked his wife in a mental asylum once she had produced a child with the combination of quirks he wanted; beats / physically abuses the chosen child; and neglects the other children who didn't inherit the right mix of quirks. How do you even begin to make someone like this into a sympathetic character?
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what little glimpses we had of shoto's siblings seems like their life wasn't worse for having Endevour stay the gently caress out of it
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JosephWongKS posted:Endeavour dragged a woman into a loveless marriage for the purpose of turning her into a brood mare; locked his wife in a mental asylum once she had produced a child with the combination of quirks he wanted; beats / physically abuses the chosen child; and neglects the other children who didn't inherit the right mix of quirks. How do you even begin to make someone like this into a sympathetic character? I'm not saying it's possible. I'm saying the opposite; it is a bad idea to try, because Endeavor is a monster worse than Edit: Hell, which villains are worse than Endeavor? All For One is the only one I can say for sure at the moment. Shigaraki has worse goals but as a person I think he might actually be better, if only because he's a sheltered, broken manchild who was taken in by the worst villain ever at a young age with the express purpose of turning him into a weapon against All Might and later hero society as a whole; it's hard to hold him to the same standard as a grown man who deliberately and knowingly did... Well, everything you just listed and then some. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Jun 10, 2016 07:52
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CharlestheHammer posted:That's fine, I am more annoyed that every time this comes up it turns into a dick waving competition.
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Jun 10, 2016 07:58
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Poison Mushroom posted:Like getting all smug and superior about the current discussion without actually contributing to it? It's okay I forgive you
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Jun 10, 2016 08:00
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Tails Gets Trolled is a bonafide great American comic, however.
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Jun 10, 2016 08:09
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Josuke Higashikata posted:What about garbage like Scott [pop culture reference] Pilgrim That's Canadian
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Jun 10, 2016 08:24
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Roland Jones posted:I'm not saying it's possible. I'm saying the opposite; it is a bad idea to try, because Endeavor is a monster worse than Stain's a serial killer which is pretty bad.
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Jun 10, 2016 08:33
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Space-Bird posted:I definitely do not know much about american cape comics. I'd like to, but it's just so tough to get into, and I'm more interested in an academic sense at this point, because I never grew up with it. Nah, it's pretty easy now days. Instead of long stretches of serialization most American comics are now written with an eye toward individual stories. All Marvel Comics come with a catch up summary, and there's lots of options for both super hero and non-super hero books. You can read them monthly if you want, or wait for a single serialized story to be collected and sold, like Sherlock Holmes stories were. There's shitloads of options beyond just Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and the X-Men, you've just got to take a second to look. So instead of just jumping in during a multi year torture arc like Spider-Man's Clone Saga, you can just go pick up a whole story at once. Maybe go with a more serialized format by getting one of the collections that are basically the comics version of tankobons. Most continuous comics have around 2 of those come out every year that contain a single story made up of around 6 issues. Writer changes drive most of the stuff, and outside event comics it's a lot more like short term team ups of specific creative teams. Or you can go pick up a direct to tpb one shot, one of the many biography or non-fiction releases by various companies, a self contained What If/Elseworlds book, maybe one of the many horror, romance, or comedy collections. Comics are a lot different than they were when everything had a foil variant cover that if you collected them all formed a single image.
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Jun 10, 2016 08:34
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SirKibbles posted:That's Canadian North America then, same difference really.
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Jun 10, 2016 08:42
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Josuke Higashikata posted:What about garbage like Scott [pop culture reference] Pilgrim Yeah, can you imagine if manga did that. You'd have some loving fantasy manga where some bastard goes around fighting King Diamond in the kingdom of Iron Maiden with his powerful spell, Black Sabbath. Or just naming people and their powers seemingly at random after classic western rock. Just awful.
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Jun 10, 2016 09:13
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CharlestheHammer posted:It's okay I forgive you Shut up
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Jun 10, 2016 09:23
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Tunahead posted:Yeah, can you imagine if manga did that. unironically agreed
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Jun 10, 2016 09:26
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Scott Pilgrim is a story about a loser who sucks, it's fun
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JosephWongKS posted:Endeavour dragged a woman into a loveless marriage for the purpose of turning her into a brood mare; locked his wife in a mental asylum once she had produced a child with the combination of quirks he wanted; beats / physically abuses the chosen child; and neglects the other children who didn't inherit the right mix of quirks. How do you even begin to make someone like this into a sympathetic character? Todoroki going back to learn from him is really kinda offputting honestly. I wouldn't think there was anything I'd want to learn from the guy, even if he was #2 based on sheer psychotic effort.
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Dude is still the second ranked hero. Endeaver is a complete rear end in a top hat. But he's a talented rear end in a top hat. Todoriki specifically stated. He's just using has fast amount of experience and talent to better himself.
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Aurora posted:Scott Pilgrim is a story about a loser who sucks, it's fun No Scott Pilgrim is bad because the author likes things and makes repeated reference to the things he likes. If you like things and mention them in your work, you're supposed to do so in a detached satirical way so people will know you consider liking things beneath you. Only uncool losers find sincere enjoyment in some aspect of the full scope of human culture, which is poo poo.
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Jun 10, 2016 12:08
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Like the author of this manga thinks American super heroes are cool.
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Jun 10, 2016 12:09
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I'm well aware there's plenty of American comics outside the stereotyped big two mould, in fact I read and enjoyed one recently (Bitch Planet, it's about as different to MHA as you can get while still being a riff on a genre), but they're still a heavy weight in the centre of the industry.Mordaedil posted:Like the author of this manga thinks American super heroes are cool. hosed up, imo.
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Jun 10, 2016 12:26
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But this is a bit of a silly conversation to have in a thread about a manga directly inspired by superhero comics, so instead I'll invert the BSS manga sampler thread and ask comic readers what cape stuff people who read MHA might enjoy.
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Jun 10, 2016 12:29
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Scott Pilgrim is good, and so is My Hero Academia
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Jun 10, 2016 13:54
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They put AFO in a Lecter Chamber. That's just asking for trouble.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:47
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I guess this superprison people can apparently be put into without trial is MHA's version of Tony Starks pocket-dimension prison for evil muties. Though I dunno how they think they can keep AFO contained after he heals up.
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Fabricated posted:I guess this superprison people can apparently be put into without trial is MHA's version of Tony Starks pocket-dimension prison for evil muties.
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Fabricated posted:I guess this superprison people can apparently be put into without trial is MHA's version of Tony Starks pocket-dimension prison for evil muties. I think when they've got him on camera blowing up half the city and beating the poo poo out of a lot of big name heroes including the biggest one, it's pretty much judge-jury-executioner on the spot.
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Captain Invictus posted:I think when they've got him on camera blowing up half the city and beating the poo poo out of a lot of big name heroes including the biggest one, it's pretty much judge-jury-executioner on the spot. This isn't Judge Dredd or the United States, so I think he's safe.
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I was going to say "if this was the US that last bit would be literal" but I didn't want to start a potential derail. 
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Tunahead posted:Yeah, can you imagine if manga did that. Well...
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Jun 10, 2016 17:42
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Japan has the death penalty. I'd be interested to see if that gets applied to especially major supervillains.
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JosephWongKS posted:Endeavour dragged a woman into a loveless marriage for the purpose of turning her into a brood mare; locked his wife in a mental asylum once she had produced a child with the combination of quirks he wanted; beats / physically abuses the chosen child; and neglects the other children who didn't inherit the right mix of quirks. How do you even begin to make someone like this into a sympathetic character? A bigger, even sweeter flaming beard is a step in the right direction.
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Didn't one of the omake's say Endeavor was originally a teacher, but it would've made that "side" too powerful? I think that's a pretty clear indication of where the story will go. As for AfO, who knows if they could even actually execute him enough to make it stick.. LostRook fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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JosephWongKS posted:Endeavour dragged a woman into a loveless marriage for the purpose of turning her into a brood mare; locked his wife in a mental asylum once she had produced a child with the combination of quirks he wanted; beats / physically abuses the chosen child; and neglects the other children who didn't inherit the right mix of quirks. How do you even begin to make someone like this into a sympathetic character? Given how involved and physically present Endeavour was with his son's life, I'm pretty sure he qualifies as father of the year
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The conflict between Todoroki and Endeavor actually reminds me a great deal of the one between Elan and Tarquin in Order of the Stick? You've got an Evil Father who wants his son to do Hero Things, and in the process, build the father's legacy, and a son who wants to do Hero Things for his own reasons, but isn't sure how to accomplish this without validating Evil Father's Ambitions.
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You know given that AFO was some sort of Quirk mob boss in the past, and that they shoved him into a cell with no trial or anything, makes me think AFO pulled some strings to get himself quietly released.
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LostRook posted:Didn't one of the omake's say Endeavor was originally a teacher, but it would've made that "side" too powerful? I think that's a pretty clear indication of where the story will go. I don't think Endeavor is going to become a villain, he seems to have the same philosophy that Bakugou has where villains are losers and heroes are winners. Otherwise I don't see why he'd have been a hero in the first place or care about rankings - That's the attitude of someone obsessed with competition and being recognized for being the best, and villains are pretty clearly "not the best" in the MHA world and are mostly the territory of petty criminals or people with societal grudges.
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Countblanc posted:I don't think Endeavor is going to become a villain, he seems to have the same philosophy that Bakugou has where villains are losers and heroes are winners. Otherwise I don't see why he'd have been a hero in the first place or care about rankings - That's the attitude of someone obsessed with competition and being recognized for being the best, and villains are pretty clearly "not the best" in the MHA world and are mostly the territory of petty criminals or people with societal grudges. He might not become a villain by MHA's own terms, but he could easily become a villain, as in "antagonist", on a meta level.
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Countblanc posted:I don't think Endeavor is going to become a villain, he seems to have the same philosophy that Bakugou has where villains are losers and heroes are winners. Otherwise I don't see why he'd have been a hero in the first place or care about rankings - That's the attitude of someone obsessed with competition and being recognized for being the best, and villains are pretty clearly "not the best" in the MHA world and are mostly the territory of petty criminals or people with societal grudges. That brings up a really interesting point. It's kind of why All Might being a pillar is so important. Endeavour and Baku are kinda like the dudes who would end up petty warlords because they have power with no moral center, in an All Mightless world.
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Endeavor will probably either remain this side character that provides development for Shouto but sorta mellows out/fades into the background or he'll get a redemption arc.
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Kegslayer posted:Given how involved and physically present Endeavour was with his son's life, I'm pretty sure he qualifies as father of the year frog dad is dad of the year actually even if it weren't by default as he and endeavor are the only two we've actually seen iirc
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Manatee Cannon posted:frog dad is dad of the year actually You're forgetting Ochako's father. Edit: Oh, and Shigaraki's father. We've been seeing him a lot. Part of him, at least.
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