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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Lol criminal That Strix is £60 more than the full £660 UK 1080 strix!! Crazy. Seems in the UK 1070 isn't as great value from the 1080 as the 970 was. Still cheaper but its harder to swallow, right now the FE price IS the base MSRP. At least with the 1080 there were cheaper cards (e.g £530 for most basic, so about the same conversion as the FEs).
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Picked up an Asus FE from scan (I have plans for a SFF PC later this year so need a blower card). First time I've had anything close to a cutting edge build, can't wait 
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Froist posted:Picked up an Asus FE from scan (I have plans for a SFF PC later this year so need a blower card). First time I've had anything close to a cutting edge build, can't wait Coolio, I'm still waiting a couple of weeks for my 1080 FTW. Let us know how it goes!
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Jun 10, 2016 14:21
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Blackfyre posted:That Strix is £60 more than the full £660 UK 1080 strix!! Crazy. Seems in the UK 1070 isn't as great value from the 1080 as the 970 was. Still cheaper but its harder to swallow, right now the FE price IS the base MSRP. At least with the 1080 there were cheaper cards (e.g £530 for most basic, so about the same conversion as the FEs). What I am wondering is are these prices the manufacturer's price or are the retailers just gouging the hell out of everyone?
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Jun 10, 2016 14:26
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Got an FE from Nvidia's site, which went live slightly before 6 am pacific. Happy enough with that.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:27
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Amazon shows Zotac 1070 FE in stock right now: https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-Founders-Graphics-ZT-P10700A-10P/dp/B01GEYE6YQ
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Jun 10, 2016 14:31
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:What I am wondering is are these prices the manufacturer's price or are the retailers just gouging the hell out of everyone? Well the £400 base for the FE is apparently legit, the Strix has now dropped on that link to £500 but theres nothing less than £400 when I looked last.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:32
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Are AIB cards still embargo'd or something for the 1080? Killin' me that they're popping up, but with some of the wonkiness like that MSI card that costs more than Founders but clocking lower makes me hesitant to pull the trigger.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:33
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It's too early to be sure I guess, but the way prices are looking in the UK, a third party 1080 is 'Only' gonna be an extra £150 over a third party 1070. Would it be sane just to go for the 1080 in that case? Or is the difference too marginal? I'm at 1440p, but my monitor is 144hz, so I guess every extra FPS is good. I could just get a 1070 founders edition. Were the cooling/noise/underclocking reports from the founders edition cards over-emphasized?
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Jun 10, 2016 14:34
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The Strix on Aria has dropped down to £499 now, still pricey but a lot more reasonable than that first price. They still don't have any other cards though, and Overclockers haven't listed any 1070s either. I had all 3 (including Scan) open and refreshing at 2pm, maybe the supply is limited like the 1080..
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Jun 10, 2016 14:34
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Subjunctive posted:Amazon shows Zotac 1070 FE in stock right now: https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-Founders-Graphics-ZT-P10700A-10P/dp/B01GEYE6YQ aaaand it's gone
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Jun 10, 2016 14:35
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wicka posted:aaaand it's gone I show 1 left in stock.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:36
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For purposes of price comparison, what's the approximate performance ratio between 1070 and 1080 (both stock)? 1.25?
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Jun 10, 2016 14:38
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Overclockers is up. Well I think I'm sticking with my FTW 1080 for £150 more personally. Its probably about 20-30% faster based on the fact a 1070 is like a 980Ti, just basing that on reviews of the FEs e.g. at Hardocp so I'm not feeling a huge saving going to the 1070 where the better AIB cards are more than the FE. Overclockers has KFA2 (Galax) ones a bit cheaper but I couldn't bring myself to buy one of their cards. EDIT: For reference the 1070 was about 5% faster than the 980Ti and the 1080 approx 30% per HardOCP.
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Subjunctive posted:For purposes of price comparison, what's the approximate performance ratio between 1070 and 1080 (both stock)? 1.25? Around that, yeah. Though stock numbers are misleading because both clock just as high but the stock clocks for the 1070 are significantly lower, I remember JayzTwoCents saying that he was finding the performance difference between his samples to be more like 10%-15% once OCed.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:42
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EVGA have apparently sold out for today, won't have more until next week. for the most part it seems like sites just haven't put them up for sale yet, not that they're selling out. that zotac card was the only one i've seen on amazon.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:00
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For those not on the 1070 bus, several 1080s are back in stock at Newegg - including the STRIX I just bought. 
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Jun 10, 2016 15:02
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Got my order in for a 1070 SC from EVGA. Go me, woo, etc
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Jun 10, 2016 15:07
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Durinia posted:For those not on the 1070 bus, several 1080s are back in stock at Newegg - including the STRIX I just bought. I was there the moment they went up and I couldn't get any of them except for the silly-overpriced MSI one.  Oh well, I just got a Vive and a 144hz monitor. What's another $50-70 in idiot tax.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:09
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What I don't get is why nobody takes backorders for this stuff. I don't care if it puts me in a queue until August or whatever, just knowing I have an order in place and I don't have to stalk Nowinstock or spam F5 whenever something shows up somewhere would be so much easier.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:16
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Looks like supply is finally to the point that everything isn't selling out instantly. The Gigabyte aftermarket was in stock on newegg for a good 15 minutes, probably because at $720 it's ridiculously overpriced. You can "preorder" FE cards on many sites now as well. Of course, the Asus STRIX on newegg sold out in 6 minutes for $670. Since it's the highest clocked aftermarket clock right now plus ASUS' reputation that's expected. I had one in my cart, but didn't get through checkout fast enough.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:16
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macnbc posted:What I don't get is why nobody takes backorders for this stuff. Backorders lock them into a price.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:18
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Subjunctive posted:Backorders lock them into a price. Then they can sell backorders for a higher price and let lazy suckers like me pay a premium to sit in a queue for a guaranteed product. macnbc fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Jun 10, 2016 15:22
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macnbc posted:Then they can sell backorders for a higher price and let lazy suckers like me pay a premium to sit in a queue for a guaranteed product. im 99% sure its a legal issue, at least in the US. They must have guaranteed preorders coming in in order to take money for preorders themselves. Sarbanes oxley etc etc. They (being any retailer) should of course love to take preorders in general
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:im 99% sure its a legal issue, at least in the US. They must have guaranteed preorders coming in in order to take money for preorders themselves. Sarbanes oxley etc etc. They (being any retailer) should of course love to take preorders in general Nonsense, I see plenty of other products in other categories allow for backorders. If it's an issue of taking money you can always just charge at shipment like Amazon does.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:30
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macnbc posted:Then they can sell backorders for a higher price and let lazy suckers like me pay a premium to sit in a queue for a guaranteed product. No, they'd have to deal with churn as people asked for new pricing or whatnot, and it also doesn't help them if the price goes up for some reason. I think it's just a bunch of accounting they'd rather not do, including people wanting estimates and complaining that it's taken so long. People don't complain if they haven't been able to order, but they do if their backorder takes a long time. THE DOG HOUSE posted:Sarbanes oxley etc etc What does SOX have to do with this? 
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Subjunctive posted:What does SOX have to do with this? Haha I was thinking exactly the same thing
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Subjunctive posted:People don't complain if they haven't been able to order You clearly haven't looked at the people tweeting at EVGA this morning.
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macnbc posted:Then they can sell backorders for a higher price and let lazy suckers like me pay a premium to sit in a queue for a guaranteed product. I'm guessing this is why so many FE cards are available for preorder now. We're past the point that nVidia can charge the $100 early adopter tax for a reference card. I'm pretty sure that legally sites can't sell preorders for stock they don't have allocation for. Someone in retail probably knows for sure.
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Chuu posted:I'm pretty sure that legally sites can't sell preorders for stock they don't have allocated from their distributor. Someone in retail probably knows for sure. People sell pre-orders for things that haven't been manufactured at all, or even had finalized design. What law do you think prevents it?
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I have backorders at Amazon but if it makes you feel any better it's not that comforting to me because the reps are telling people random dates when they might be fulfilled, as far out to the end of July. One person talked to 5 different reps and got 5 different answers, for the same order, heh.
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Subjunctive posted:People sell pre-orders for things that haven't been manufactured at all, or even had finalized design. What law do you think prevents it? https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/business-guide-ftcs-mail-internet-or-telephone-order The summary for those who don't want to click: quote:The Rule requires that when you advertise merchandise, you must have a reasonable basis for stating or implying that you can ship within a certain time. If you make no shipment statement, you must have a reasonable basis for believing that you can ship within 30 days. That is why direct marketers sometimes call this the "30-day Rule." I don't know the exact statute behind these guidelines, or the penalty for failure to comply. I'll leave that to actual internet lawyers.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:I have backorders at Amazon but if it makes you feel any better it's not that comforting to me because the reps are telling people random dates when they might be fulfilled, as far out to the end of July. One person talked to 5 different reps and got 5 different answers, for the same order, heh. See, I'd actually prefer that. I'd like to just put an order down somewhere and know that someday, eventually, I'm going to get an email saying it's shipped and it'll just show up at my door. I'd find that way better than playing the "oh I have to keep an eye out for a listing at all times and then hope like hell I can get to it before someone else does" game for weeks on end now.
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Chuu posted:https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/business-guide-ftcs-mail-internet-or-telephone-order Yeah, I asked the lawyer I worked with on pre-ordered hardware goods, and the provision for saying "we don't know when it'll arrive" is fine, as is an arbitrarily long backorder estimate at time of sale. (That's why you often see Amazon sellers saying "ships within 3 months" and then get it in a few weeks -- they don't have a reliable pipeline.) There's no requirement that anything be specifically allocated from anyone else, as far as he knows.
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Chuu posted:
Wow, I got lucky then. I didn't have notify set up - I just looked at nowinstock at exactly the right time I guess. Time to order an X34 now...  my wallet
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While we're talking about stock, 1070 FE cards have been widely avaliable all day at MSRP ($450). This is probably more evidence that the supply constraint on 1080s right now is the memory, not the chips.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:53
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That MSI card is available on Amazon Prime right now: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01GLYD7MG/?ie=UTF8&condition=all&tag=nisa-20&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER $729 
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Jun 10, 2016 15:54
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Jun 10, 2016 15:59
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I wanna make a Discworld joke about a warehouse to store all these pre-order cards. 
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Chuu posted:https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/business-guide-ftcs-mail-internet-or-telephone-order Dell.com, oddly enough, is the only online retailer I've soon who actually follows the 30 day rule. They literally mail me a post card saying "we're not going to have this within 30 days, so either sign this and mail it back to let us know that's ok, or call and tell us, otherwise we'll automatically cancel the order".
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