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Goetta posted:I don't know what Google is doing but Facebook going through their trending poo poo and pulling out right wing stories from their trending stuff is sort of alarming to me even if I wouldn't want to see a bunch of birther spam or whatever if I actually used Facebook. facebook usually has like a main source for each of their trending stories and the actual deal was they weren't allowing right-wing sites to headline those trending things, because if a right-wing source is the biggest media outlet reporting it, it's probably not a valid story basically the deal was if the trending story was Hillary Clinton Eats Baby, if the news was from Breitbart or Drudge that wouldn't be going up, because it'd likely be wrong and facebook doesn't want to be complicit in advertising tabloid stories. but if CNN or Fox or so had that story they'd allow it
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SneakyFrog posted:but they do this already anyways? what is your point? "Free tuition" doesn't actually zero out the global cost of college, and, in the absence of strict regulation and discipline from the state, still affords colleges vast opportunities to increase the cost of attending for students.
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Not a Step posted:Time to buck up and identify with the Democratic Party tribe. Come on, you'll have fun at the Two Minute Hate against Donald. lol @ this probe this homework explainer guy is pretty good, for a tankie.
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a primate posted:Irrelevant because Hillary has enough voters already tyvm? This isn't 3 people who usually vote GOP anyway that we're talking about. These are Democrats who presumably vote Democrat in the GE, and marginalizing them won't do the DNC any favours. Knowing how poorly she does with independents, it might be a good idea to get her adopted base on side. The deep core of Bernie's supporters can come over or not as far as I am concerned, which is the way I felt about Hillary supporters in the same position when Obama won- and more of Hillary's supporters were threatening to jump ship or not vote back then. Obama went on to do just fine. I don't see why anyone should placate people who pretty openly state nonsense conspiracies or people who believe Hillary should be a manchurian candidate to the policies and messaging of the sandernistas "movement." Should the messaging and policy desires of Sanders supporters have an impact on the overall general election campaign and platform? Sure. That's a far cry from this notion that Hillary will lose unless they give in to empty threats of losing the general without them.
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Homework Explainer posted:most major changes have come about after pressure from mass movements. it's why $15 minimum wage is even a campaign issue and being adopted in states and municipalities Well if you consider that non-electoral then sure, but I don't know if I do since it's about putting pressure on elected officials/getting better officials elected.
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Fast Luck posted:my sense is you can actually be working for working people, like bernie is at least to a democratic socialist extent, or basically be working for corporate donors, like hillary does, and who you're loyal to is more important than stated policy goals, because if you're beholden to moneyed interests then any "progressive" policy you actually enact will probably have to be screened and approved by them, like the way obama negotiated with the health care industry to come to ACA. that's why i reject the democratic party establishment, because they're a party that pays lip service to the people while ultimately being unwilling to alienate the rich. and that's without getting into hillary's wars and imperialism. i do understand some people will vote for hillary etc as a lesser evil and that's a separate argument than the one about whether they're actually good or not. Do you believe that Bernie Sanders, were he president in 2009, would have been able to pass a version of the ACA with a public option?
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Jewel Repetition posted:Well if you consider that non-electoral then sure, but I don't know if I do since it's about putting pressure on elected officials/getting better officials elected. it's political action outside the framework of the state. outcomes taking place within it don't change that fact. obviously this is a different animal than a movement FOR state power, which would need to be tens of millions strong.
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SneakyFrog posted:that smug dismissive attitude is pretty much why I'm starting to believe dems are loving horrible FYGM people. Seriously, I've voted for the lesser evil since 2002, and THIS is where we are. So gently caress it. Do I... Error 404 posted:Vote for the candidate who will gently caress me and people like me with deportation/bombing campaigns/TPP/ Israeli Apartheid/ and continuation of racial and economic oppression just to enrich their donors? You assholes have made it abundantly clear y'all don't have my back, so why should I have yours? I'm serious, poo poo's gonna be bad for me and the people I love no matter who wins, please explain why I shouldn't also poo poo in your cheerios?
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XyrlocShammypants posted:The deep core of Bernie's supporters can come over or not as far as I am concerned, which is the way I felt about Hillary supporters in the same position when Obama won- and more of Hillary's supporters were threatening to jump ship or not vote back then. Obama went on to do just fine. I don't see why anyone should placate people who pretty openly state nonsense conspiracies or people who believe Hillary should be a manchurian candidate to the policies and messaging of the sandernistas "movement." Should the messaging and policy desires of Sanders supporters have an impact on the overall general election campaign and platform? Sure. That's a far cry from this notion that Hillary will lose unless they give in to empty threats of losing the general without them. It seems you are inexplicitly asserting that Bernie supporters who don't automatically endorse Hillary as a result of the primaries are conspiracy theorist nutbars who are beneath contempt and undeserving of influence. I seriously question whether this assertion accurately reflects Bernie supporters at all, or whether it is simply a chimera created by an overwhelmingly negative media narrative and choice posts on bad websites. I'm not talking about responding to empty threats, whatever you imagine those to be. I'm simply stating that now that the DNC is supposedly one big happy family again since the leader has been chosen, that former Bernie supporters not be treated like ignorant children but rather individual participants in the democratic process.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:The deep core of Bernie's supporters can come over or not as far as I am concerned, which is the way I felt about Hillary supporters in the same position when Obama won- and more of Hillary's supporters were threatening to jump ship or not vote back then. Obama went on to do just fine. I don't see why anyone should placate people who pretty openly state nonsense conspiracies or people who believe Hillary should be a manchurian candidate to the policies and messaging of the sandernistas "movement." Should the messaging and policy desires of Sanders supporters have an impact on the overall general election campaign and platform? Sure. That's a far cry from this notion that Hillary will lose unless they give in to empty threats of losing the general without them. You don't see why? Essentially "Same team! Same team!"
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Pinterest Mom posted:"Free tuition" doesn't actually zero out the global cost of college, and, in the absence of strict regulation and discipline from the state, still affords colleges vast opportunities to increase the cost of attending for students. Well maybe add some Strict regulation and discipline on the federal level for a supposed "free" federal educational program that is already heavily subsidized by the government in the case of public schools. that free thing really bugs me. Nothings free. its being paid for by taxes and financial fees. the free thing is only there to tweak the dicks of bootstrappy people.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Getting involved at the presidential level is the most useless thing you can do for progressive politics short of sitting on your rear end.
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Postsecondary education should have the same effective cost as primary and secondary education.  In addition, publicly accredited certification programs trade schools should have the same effective cost. It's really hard to spend 'too much' money on education.
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a primate posted:It seems you are inexplicitly asserting that Bernie supporters who don't automatically endorse Hillary as a result of the primaries are conspiracy theorist nutbars who are beneath contempt and undeserving of influence. I seriously question whether this assertion accurately reflects Bernie supporters at all, or whether it is simply a chimera created by an overwhelmingly negative media narrative and choice posts on bad websites. No. I am saying that like Hillary supporters in 08' who themselves took time to come to Obama's camp, so too will the overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters. Some much smaller number of them (i've said maybe 10-20% max) feel that they should have undue influence on the party. Frankly, the Democratic party statements towards Sanders and his campaign/supporters have been pretty excellent. That small core of his support lack the power they believe they have and they may not like that, but it is what it is. Is the Democratic party a big happy family? Has it ever been? That's not what really matters to me.
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Error 404 posted:I'm serious, poo poo's gonna be bad for me and the people I love no matter who wins So sorry to hear this, you don't deserve that. 
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XyrlocShammypants posted:No. I am saying that like Hillary supporters in 08' who themselves took time to come to Obama's camp, so too will the overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters. Some much smaller number of them (i've said maybe 10-20% max) feel that they should have undue influence on the party. Frankly, the Democratic party statements towards Sanders and his campaign/supporters have been pretty excellent. That small core of his support lack the power they believe they have and they may not like that, but it is what it is. obama had hopey-change excitement. Hillary has at best grudging acceptance.
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SneakyFrog posted:obama had hopey-change excitement. This is the kind of view that led to absolute amazement that Sanders lost in every meaningful and mathematical way. 4 million more people "grudgingly" went to vote. If only people were so disinterested, disheartened, bored, and depressed enough to vote for Sanders and his message, he may have won.
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Mr. Horrible posted:So sorry to hear this, you don't deserve that. Its ok now! we have jokemans to help us take the poison pill https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/741288931027652608
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Jimmy Fallon's career is just one of the many horrors that will continue during Obama's third term.
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SneakyFrog posted:obama had hopey-change excitement. But thats not true. Hillary just doesnt have lots of people crowing on the internet. Luckily for her, thats not where the voting takes place. She won by a larger margin than obama did in '08 and seems to be doing just fine as the presumptive nominee. You feel like people are talking down to you, but you continue to be petulant.
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Mr. Horrible posted:Jimmy Fallon's career is just one of the many horrors that will continue during Obama's third term. Lol
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Error 404 posted:Its ok now! we have jokemans to help us take the poison pill tpp... is good 
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bird cooch posted:But thats not true. Hillary just doesnt have lots of people crowing on the internet. She won by a larger margin than obama did in '08 and seems to be doing just fine as the presumptive nominee.  Tell me more about how I'm a naughty child and need to be put in my place
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XyrlocShammypants posted:This is the kind of view that led to absolute amazement that Sanders lost in every meaningful and mathematical way. 4 million more people "grudgingly" went to vote. If only people were so disinterested, disheartened, bored, and depressed enough to vote for Sanders and his message, he may have won. Fair enough statement. Someone with her record of questionable ethics I cant summon up any excitement over. bird cooch posted:But thats not true. Hillary just doesnt have lots of people crowing on the internet. Luckily for her, thats not where the voting takes place. I hate to break it to you but i wasnt petulant before DNC folks made it very clear i wasnt on their side the entirety of the election. maybe she doesnt have a lot of people crowing on the internet, but she certainly paid some folks to muddy up the waters a bit. TehRedWheelbarrow has issued a correction as of 19:24 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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PleasingFungus posted:i've talked to passionate hillary supporters in real life I've talked to plenty of them under forty, generally they were in it for the "woman president" thing (they were also generally rich and white) Yet another reason I really wish Liz Warren had just run for drat President in the first place, she would have been a better progressive standard-bearer than Bernie in several ways. Not as incendiary, but just as good on issues, younger, hates bankers as much, and (most importantly) would have won
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loquacius posted:I've talked to plenty of them under forty, generally they were in it for the "woman president" thing Her foreign policy is trash. She's all in for israel fyi, even sent out a statement in support of apartheid yesterday.
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loquacius posted:I've talked to plenty of them under forty, generally they were in it for the "woman president" thing the ones i talked to seemed to be primarily motivated by health care. they noted that hillary had been fighting for health care since the 90s, and that bernie's plan didn't even work in vermont, where it had widespread political support. they also noted that bernie's policy on gun control is a joke, which is true and probably one of the funniest things about him being adopted as a far-left 'crusader'.
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Error 404 posted:Her foreign policy is trash. Honestly my #1 and #2 issues are campaign finance reform and banker death, so if she had run a Sanders-like grassroots-donor-driven campaign and used her usual anti-Wall-Street rhetoric I might have been ok to go "nobody's perfect" on some other stuff considering again that she would have won the primary and Bernie did not PleasingFungus posted:the ones i talked to seemed to be primarily motivated by health care. they noted that hillary had been fighting for health care since the 90s, and that bernie's plan didn't even work in vermont, where it had widespread political support. Are you trying to get me to argue with people that are not present using yourself as their stand-in or something
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PleasingFungus posted:the ones i talked to seemed to be primarily motivated by health care. they noted that hillary had been fighting for health care since the 90s, and that bernie's plan didn't even work in vermont, where it had widespread political support. Hrmyessss....fighting for healthcare https://twitter.com/WNC4Bernie/status/741287166009974787
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Hey, if everyone in the world is allowed to say "Sanders supporters are all obnoxious harasser bros" using cherrypicked Twitter/Reddit randos as evidence I'm allowed to give anecdotes from my personal experience  Srsly though I can elaborate a little more and say that in one case it was the "Hillary would be as far left as Sanders but she can't be because she is a woman, so you should just vote for her anyway" argument, in another case it was the "Hillary and Bernie are completely identical in every way so the only reason to support Bernie is if you hate women" argument, and in a third case it was a guy on my Facebook feed endlessly posting thinkpieces about how Bernie Bros are the literal scum of the earth and he hates them so so much
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loquacius posted:Hey, if everyone in the world is allowed to say "Sanders supporters are all obnoxious harasser bros" using cherrypicked Twitter/Reddit randos as evidence I'm allowed to give anecdotes from my personal experience   Plus my stupid car keying
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SneakyFrog posted:
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Classic Comrade posted:drat how did the dem primary thread go from being rated a 2 to being gold DWS had a meeting with several influential mods
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Mr. Horrible posted:Jimmy Fallon's career is just one of the many horrors that will continue during Obama's third term. Third Term Obama will sign an executive order to being Leno back as a reward to the loyal legions of doddering old people
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