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Roylicious posted:So, in response to my pretty bog standard macro-econ points, you give me some emotional appeal and when I don't just accept it at face value you do this. It's just too much dude. I had a reply half written before you made like 10 edits. My points were this: Government doing less things which are patently bad would be a good thing. War on drugs, endless nation building, crony capitalism etc. Simplifying the tax system is also a good thing. I have no interest in talking about video card production or how poor people are hosed. Like I said if those people had access to the economy that wasn't illegal drugs life will be better for them. There's plenty of threads you can read in archives that go over supply side vs demand side you can read at your leisure. Also if spending was in any way correlated with improved education we'd have seen it by now.
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All my libertarian friends I shut up by asking one question: "How will this school of thought differ from the Gilded Age, when government stayed separate from business and the entire country went to hell as a direct result?"
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ManDingo posted:It's just too much dude. I had a reply half written before you made like 10 edits. My points were this: Well again, "I don't know specifics but by god poo poo is hosed up and this guy says he'll fix it! I dunno how exactly, but it seems simpler." I'm not saying simplification of the tax code is a bad thing, I'm simply saying Gary Johnson's proposal to eliminate all taxation except for a 23% consumption tax is loving nanners. ManDingo posted:I have no interest in talking about video card production or how poor people are hosed. Like I said if those people had access to the economy that wasn't illegal drugs life will be better for them. There's plenty of threads you can read in archives that go over supply side vs demand side you can read at your leisure. Also if spending was in any way correlated with improved education we'd have seen it by now. You have no interest because you either know supply side is utter bullshit no serious economist advocates anymore or because you have no real basis for your rationale. I'm sorry that a very basic macroecon concept is too much effort for you to parse through. quote:Also if spending was in any way correlated with improved education we'd have seen it by now. lol def what I was saying yeah. Not like I haven't already stated that just because something is inefficient or corrupt that's no argument to just toss the entire concept completely. You clearly have no interest in an honest discussion, you just want to rattle off insults and disingenuous arguments and feel good about your own perceived superiority. I'm not saying anything particularly leftist and I'm met with accusations that I'm supporting full communism. Laughable. Drunk Nerds posted:All my libertarian friends I shut up by asking one question: Yeah that's one that really trips them up too. Honest to god a lot of them straight go 'I dunno what that is.' Roylicious fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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And in case for some reason you actually give a poo poo, read up on supply side (which again no serious economist supports anymore yet its the go-to policy of libertarianism): https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/news/2012/08/01/11998/the-failure-of-supply-side-economics/ http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/10/29/tax-evasion http://itep.org/itep_reports/2013/02/states-with-high-rate-income-taxes-are-still-outperforming-no-tax-states.php http://www.itep.org/pdf/LafferRegression.pdf
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So what epic burns do you guys dish out when anyone mentions the great leap forward?
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# ? Jun 10, 2016 20:43 |
Are you really that dumb or just bad at trolling or what? The poo poo does Maoism have to do with anything?
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Gammatron 64 posted:It kinda boggles my mind that anyone wants to be a full-on anaracho-capitalist libertarian in light of the poo poo Wall Street's been doing for the past decade or so. People with more money than God can already do whatever the gently caress they want There is a pretty good description of right-libertarianism in an article about seasteading... Floating Utopias posted:It is a libertarian dream. Hexagonal neighborhoods of square apartments bob sedately by tiny coiffed parks and tastefully featureless marinas, an Orange County of the soul. It is the ultimate gated community, designed not by the very rich and certainly not by the very powerful, but by the middlingly so. As a utopia, the Atlantis Project is pitiful. Beyond the single one-trick fact of its watery location, it is tragically non-ambitious, crippled with class anxiety, nostalgic not for mythic glory but for the anonymous sanctimony of an invented 1950s. This is no ruling class vision: it is the plaintive daydream of a petty bourgeoisie, whose sulky solution to perceived social problems is to run away–set sail into a tax-free sunset.
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quote:Libertarianism, by contrast, is a theory of those who find it hard to avoid their taxes, who are too small, incompetent or insufficiently connected to win Iraq-reconstruction contracts, or otherwise chow at the state trough. In its maundering about a mythical ideal-type capitalism, libertarianism betrays its fear of actually existing capitalism, at which it cannot quite succeed. It is a philosophy of capitalist inadequacy. Eh like I said, baby throwing a tantrum.
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satanic splash-back posted:[nodding] yes. mmhmm. i agree. indeedarooni neighbor-o. [still nodding] *Backs away slowly*
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the twist is I loathe goldbug libertarians as strongly as anyone in this thread as they are very often at odds with my profession, directly, I also just have a healthy skepticism of the federal government's ability to actually accomplish poo poo better than local and state government it's almost as if allowing any group of sociopath middle managers, whether they're in the private or public sectors, free reign to do whatever they want from far away while dictating terms for the rest of us is, in general, a bad idea, and even the good actors with good intentions are going to gently caress up by not understanding the ground situation as well as they should
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:the twist is I loathe goldbug libertarians as strongly as anyone in this thread as they are very often at odds with my profession, directly, I also just have a healthy skepticism of the federal government's ability to actually accomplish poo poo better than local and state government Free Nooner!
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Dreddout posted:Free Nooner! exactly
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# ? Jun 10, 2016 22:59 |
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The problem is ultimately going to be that we're going to have a largely indolent population within the next generation or two. Work is drying up. Once McDonalds and WalMart fully automate their services then there'll be very little in the way of a base work force anymore. A socialist reform is going to HAVE to take place in some respect, because ultimately we're going to enter a scenario where we'll have to pay people not to work, because there's no work to be done.
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# ? Jun 10, 2016 23:02 |
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I am out and proud! Flying that Libertarian freak flag high!
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# ? Jun 10, 2016 23:29 |
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Dreddout posted:Free Nooner! worse than a libertarian
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Gaunab posted:worse than a libertarian I'd take Nooner over a libertarian.
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# ? Jun 11, 2016 00:16 |
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being friends with a libertarian is like being friends with a pedophile. yeah, you don't have to talk about corporate dick sucking or child dick sucking, but you'll always feel as if the topic is lurking in the background anyway, waiting to jump out.
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# ? Jun 11, 2016 00:55 |
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"I am against anything that will result in less profits for corporations." - A presumably libertarian Naval Chief
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# ? Jun 11, 2016 01:13 |
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Tiberius Thyben posted:I'd take Nooner over a libertarian.
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:because, like 8-bit explained, This is not a way you want to start your GBS posts, friend
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mdm posted:This is not a way you want to start your GBS posts, friend even a broken clock is right twice a day, buddy I even agreed with tezzor once in a blue moon
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Kthulhu5000 posted:being friends with a libertarian is like being friends with a pedophile. This is probably not the best way to start a post, friend
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Champenema posted:This is probably not the best way to start a post, friend IDK, I can't think of any other political philosophy that would legalize child porn.
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Tricky D posted:IDK, I can't think of any other political philosophy that would legalize child porn. Athenian Democracy.
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Champenema posted:This is probably not the best way to start a post, friend tell the class about your summer in Cambodia. what do you mean, "which one"?.
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Tiberius Thyben posted:Athenian Democracy. But pederastry (not pedophilia!) had a social contract element to it!
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