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I've noticed a few threads caught wind of recent PD2 updates and people are coming back, most notably Killing Floor 2's after a really badly-advised game update. I'm typing up a "what's new since I last played a year or two ago" thing for the OP that nobody will read.
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I'm glad 000 has no downsides, because holy moly. Also what did Tripwire do this time
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Jun 11, 2016 20:05
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Dear thread, I've already made a very annoying effort PM once to Malek, but I won't promise anything if they don't stop talking about a game that doesn't allow me to punch zeds in the face yet. Payday's cut a nice new balance with player markets and gameplay that's just arcade fun instead of thriving only after memorizing the Codex Nerdatus on a wiki. But Tripwire followed their own drill idea as well as a few other stupid things along with being very slow to update at all if it ever comes.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:06
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Tripwire killed Killing floor 2 with stupid balance and arcane systems of zed damage. killing floor 2, long live the killing floor.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:09
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I'm one of the KF2 refugees, and Overkill has seriously knocked it out of the park with the skill tree update. It's so much better; I don't have to waste money to get skills for some god-forsaken reason and the whole skill tree flows much better than before. I'm rocking an Enforcer pistol build that can tank shots like a pro, give out a lot of ammo for the team, get a ton of ammo easily, and headshot fools with single and dual pistols, along with the occasional sniper rifle (particularly Thanatos) rampage. Optimized? Nah. Would cause tryhards to whine that I should go for a dodge+pistol build instead? Yeah. Fun? Hell yes.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:16
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hup posted:I'm glad 000 has no downsides, because holy moly. There's a rock-paper-scissors sort of damage resistance system in the game now. Imagine if tan cops were weak to assault rifles but pistols did no damage and you have an idea.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:19
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closeted republican posted:I'm one of the KF2 refugees, and Overkill has seriously knocked it out of the park with the skill tree update. It's so much better; I don't have to waste money to get skills for some god-forsaken reason and the whole skill tree flows much better than before. I think optimization is effectively dead now as dodge and armor can come in a lot of new but similar flavors. And everyone has to be ammo conscious with any gun so its got that old KF1 tension of not loving yourself over missing shots.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:22
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What's new in Payday 2 since I stopped playing a long-rear end time ago? It's come to my attention that since recent news has dropped, interest in Payday 2 has jumped and quite a few new people have been posting in the thread. So the last time Payday 2 got big in the news, it was a hot mess over microtransactions. They essentially added Counterstrike-like boxes and skins for guns. There were a host of reasons people were mad, but for some reason they latched onto the fact that some skins had integral stat bonuses that had little to no consequence on the gameplay as the biggest reason. The damage was done though, and Overkill actually doubled around and pledged to be more open about game updates and actually start supporting ignored issues like bugs. They also implemented a system of stat boosts that act like weapon mods that are way more useful than stat boost skins ever were, and once the next update drops at the end of the month, all dropped safe skins from then on will be 100% free to open. The biggest gameplay changes have been in order of most recent have been the skill revamp, weapon rebalance, and perk decks. To sum each one up: -The skill trees now look completely different and have tons of new skills that reward new types of playstyles. Lots of useless skills were axed and each tree has some really unique and useful skills. -The weapon rebalance buffed and nerfed weapons around breakpoints. This means that almost no weapon is bad stats-wise, so when you open up that game for the first time and see a trillion new guns, you don't need to panic because odds are you'll pick a useful one. -The perk decks were a twofold design of getting rid of the old tier bonuses and as a way of boosting skill sets to do more interesting things. Make sure you take a look in the perk deck section of the inventory ASAP as they're leveled up by you putting points into them manually. Several have been updated vis-a-vis usefulness, and there's a quick guide on them in the OP. Besides that there's been a mess of content (weapons, masks, characters, etc.), both free and DLC. There are two write-ups on the DLC me and Vox, the latter being much more in-depth. There's also a proper tutorial in the game now for both loud and stealth for a refresher or new players. Heads up, if you want to start a match, it may be a good idea to mention it here in the thread and join the Steam group chat or Mumble. The Goonbase has really slowed down and those of us who hang out in the Payday channels play a whole bunch of stuff now since we're buds or are in Europe where it's like 3am for them when folks ask.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:27
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Crabtree posted:I've already made a very annoying effort PM once to Malek, but I won't promise anything if they don't stop talking about a game that doesn't allow me to punch zeds in the face yet. Payday's cut a nice new balance with player markets and gameplay that's just arcade fun instead of thriving only after memorizing the Codex Nerdatus on a wiki. It's a bit of a derail can you post this in more detail? I've played about 10 hours of KF2 (and 400+ hours of KF1) but I haven't touched KF2 lately so I want to know if it's worth getting back into once EA ends. I didn't want to grind levels just to do them over again once EA ended.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:37
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clockworkjoe posted:It's a bit of a derail can you post this in more detail? I've played about 10 hours of KF2 (and 400+ hours of KF1) but I haven't touched KF2 lately so I want to know if it's worth getting back into once EA ends. I didn't want to grind levels just to do them over again once EA ended. * A recent "preview" update that will eventually go live has added an enemy resistance system that basically means you have to memorize this in order to be able to kill most enemies, from basic ones to the hardest, without having to waste more than half of your magazine to kill a single one. Most of them are dumb as poo poo too, such as fat men tanking headshots from high-caliber weapons and butt naked kung-fu women laughing off shotgun blasts to the chest. The point is to encourage team diversity and cooperation (such as pointing out a Bloat so a Firebug can set him on fire because the Bloat has a severe weakness to fire on paper), but instead it makes every class weak as a paper bag against most foes and has made some weapons, such as the fire-based ones and explosives, utterly useless, even against foes with a weakness to it. * TWI's lack of communication. When you try to tell them something isn't fun or working in a test, they either throw their feet down and whine that it worked fine in internal tests, or take 5 months to push a fix that usually makes things worse. The microtransaction thing wasn't bad, actually. It was just timed poorly with PD2's microtransation clusterfuck.
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Jun 11, 2016 20:53
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Crabtree posted:I've already made a very annoying effort PM once to Malek, but I won't promise anything if they don't stop talking about a game that doesn't allow me to punch zeds in the face yet. Payday's cut a nice new balance with player markets and gameplay that's just arcade fun instead of thriving only after memorizing the Codex Nerdatus on a wiki. For what it's worth, I did appreciate that. 
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Jun 11, 2016 21:29
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Welp, shame I didn't get my money's worth out of KF2 back when it was simply uninspired and bland instead of outright terrible. I was warned not to trust Tripwire where a sequel is involved, but I guess I've learned my lesson. Guess I probably can't get a refund at this point either, since I've had it for ages and clocked about six hours. At least Payday's good. Speaking of, hey Vox, turns out if you get tased while you're looking at the vault monitors on Beneath the Mountain you can get stuck tased. Even if the taser is killed, you just stand there with the effect going until you get downed by other dudes. It happened to me and I had to get downed and picked up before I could do anything other than stand there twitching.
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Jun 11, 2016 21:35
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hup posted:I'm glad 000 has no downsides, because holy moly. I'm crossposting this because it's loving hilarious closeted republican posted:Picture straight from the official wiki: closeted republican posted:Here are some other gems from the info spreadsheet:
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Jun 11, 2016 21:42
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holy poo poo that is a loving train wreck. What the gently caress Tripwire, what the gently caress.
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Jun 11, 2016 21:54
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Even clots have resists, what a clusterfuck.
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Jun 11, 2016 22:01
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Meldonox posted:Speaking of, hey Vox, turns out if you get tased while you're looking at the vault monitors on Beneath the Mountain you can get stuck tased. Even if the taser is killed, you just stand there with the effect going until you get downed by other dudes. It happened to me and I had to get downed and picked up before I could do anything other than stand there twitching. Interesting, I think there were some related bugs that got fixed months ago. I'll see if I can replicate it.
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Jun 11, 2016 22:22
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Grapplejack posted:I'm crossposting this because it's loving hilarious Holy poo poo, what a mess.
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Jun 11, 2016 23:33
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Meldonox posted:Speaking of, hey Vox, turns out if you get tased while you're looking at the vault monitors on Beneath the Mountain you can get stuck tased. Even if the taser is killed, you just stand there with the effect going until you get downed by other dudes. It happened to me and I had to get downed and picked up before I could do anything other than stand there twitching. This also happened to me too the last time I played it a few days ago
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Jun 11, 2016 23:35
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hup posted:Holy poo poo, what a mess. Now you see, Kevin Clamely devised a brilliant mutation to cause the Zeds to be more resilient to conventional weapons. It's just a shame "conventional" here means "BLOODY loving EVERYTHING".
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Jun 11, 2016 23:36
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hup posted:Holy poo poo, what a mess. Compound that with the fact that they say multiple times on the Steam store page that Early Access is about taking feedback, and that: 1) This massive, game-altering system was mentioned in passing in a news post or two and no details were released prior to it coming out 2) At least two TWI reps have actively thrown hissy fits when feedback came back that this sucks And it's honestly a lot dumber than anything Overkill has done in the history of ever. I suggested a few months back that the EA page was bullshit and Tripwire really just wanted to sell an unfinished game to float paychecks and that has never looked more true.
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Jun 11, 2016 23:41
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Tripwire has made me appreciate overkill.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:09
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Overkill is a company clearly aware of the things they tend to do wrong and they've made a very visible effort to correct themselves. The skill beta was great, a lot of communication back-and-forth, and this episode with Tripwire has made me appreciate it more.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:36
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Dr Cheeto posted:Overkill is a company clearly aware of the things they tend to do wrong and they've made a very visible effort to correct themselves. The skill beta was great, a lot of communication back-and-forth, and this episode with Tripwire has made me appreciate it more. It still was a pretty ballsy move to change around some skills when moving to the live branch with the skill remake, without testing them in the beta branch. I am pretty sure Die Hard wasn't basically Nerves Of Steel 2.0 in the beta branch but I am happy to have it back. Bulletstorm was I think the most significant change from the beta, but goddamn they made it a good skill now.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:05
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Not surprised, I knew a guy who worked for Tripwire. I said for, not at, because he wouldn't leave his house. Not agrophobic or anything, just a lazy piece of poo poo if he wasn't at a loving rave or some poo poo.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:10
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Klaus88 posted:Tripwire has made me appreciate overkill. We live in a very strange reality where all the things pubbies blame overkill for, such as doubling down on bad ideas and attacking criticism, Tripwire does. I'll welcome all KF2 players but leave your worries about Tripwire behind because thankfully Payday 2 is funner than before.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:58
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Crabtree posted:We live in a very strange reality where all the things pubbies blame overkill for, such as doubling down on bad ideas and attacking criticism, Tripwire does. I'll welcome all KF2 players but leave your worries about Tripwire behind because thankfully Payday 2 is funner than before. Agreed. Tripwire can keep burying themselves as long as I can pop helmets in PD2.
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Jun 12, 2016 02:20
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i mostly touch the pubstove when I want to play for a bit without using a headset. Mostly, it's been okay but every once in a while you get a shithead. This guy kicked me from a loud DW Go Bank job just as we got to the exit http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198267529091/ Just a FYI
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Jun 12, 2016 03:33
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And to think I already hated the comparatively minor arcane bullshit that KF1 was saddled with.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:02
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clockworkjoe posted:i mostly touch the pubstove when I want to play for a bit without using a headset. Mostly, it's been okay but every once in a while you get a shithead. This guy kicked me from a loud DW Go Bank job just as we got to the exit http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198267529091/ John Murdoch posted:And to think I already hated the comparatively minor arcane bullshit that KF1 was saddled with.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:19
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clockworkjoe posted:i mostly touch the pubstove when I want to play for a bit without using a headset. Mostly, it's been okay but every once in a while you get a shithead. This guy kicked me from a loud DW Go Bank job just as we got to the exit http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198267529091/ Just remember the pubstove rule: Always Be Hosting edit: cheated achievements, no surprises there, I suppose.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:19
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John Murdoch posted:And to think I already hated the comparatively minor arcane bullshit that KF1 was saddled with. I think the big difference is that KF1 arcane BS is limited to solo cheese strats or Hell on Earth stuff, whereas KF2 is trying to make memorizing a spreadsheet part of the core gameplay experience. Even before its many reworks, Payday 2 could always be played and enjoyed without ever consulting The Holy Text.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:22
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Discendo Vox posted:Just remember the pubstove rule: eh, it wasn't that big of a deal. My problem is I want to play immediately, not wait 5-10 minutes for people to join if I want to play a less popular heist or during off-peak times. I'll see a game with 3/4 people and I jump in. What really drew my attention about his profile was that he had like 98 hours played in the last 2 weeks. Who the gently caress does that?
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Jun 12, 2016 06:38
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Buckshot. Normal people cap it at 90. 
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Jun 12, 2016 12:21
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Discendo Vox posted:Just remember the pubstove rule: What achievements are cheated? I apparently don't play enough to know by looking.
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Jun 12, 2016 13:29
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Meldonox posted:Buckshot. Normal people cap it at 90. 
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Jun 12, 2016 15:20
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juliuspringle posted:What achievements are cheated? I apparently don't play enough to know by looking. At a glance, played 96 hours, somehow hit Infamy 12? in the space of a day. Yet during this whole time, has only thrown a total of 6 grenades.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:35
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Good work detectives. Now you'll really show him. That random video game player none of us will ever see randomly won't know what hit him when the something awful payday private eye squad get on his case.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:43
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Zigmidge posted:Good work detectives. Now you'll really show him. That random video game player none of us will ever see randomly won't know what hit him when the something awful payday private eye squad get on his case. 
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Jun 12, 2016 15:48
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Skunkrocker posted:Don't you mean That gif doesn't say Zigmidge you know?
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