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effectual posted:Was there a chinese person in the movie? Did they mention the central government coming to help? Gul'dan is played by Daniel Wu so... yes.
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A chinese actor mentioned bringing hordes of his people to attack the kingdom of white people and overwhelming them with sheer numbersArthil posted:Gul'dan is played by Daniel Wu so... yes. Daniel Wu is American
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Jun 11, 2016 22:36
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Fojar38 posted:To add to this, while it's true that it's made a shitload of money in China, it hasn't been making peanuts abroad either. for once, americans are the smartest people.
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Jun 11, 2016 22:38
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This wasn't a very good movie but I loved it. Genuinely hoping for a franchise, I loved this cheesy poo poo!
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Jun 11, 2016 23:02
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Groovelord Neato posted:for once, americans are the smartest people. You're such a negative cancer. Ugh.
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Jun 11, 2016 23:11
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It seemed like an okay movie. Its definitely my favorite visual presentation of magic in a film, and the fights were awesome to watch. The story was pretty bad for three main reasons: -Lothar's kid had nothing going on and any emotion his story was supposed to garner was utterly wasted, any time spent with him would have been better served developing other characters. -Even in times of desperation, it doesn't make sense for the Orcs to follow Gul'Dan the way they're presented. He literally opens with mass murder, right after we're treated to a scene showing how family oriented their species can be. Later they're collectively calling him a cheater, disobeying him to allow Lothar passage but he's still implied to be the boss, despite arguably being the biggest war criminal in either world's timeline. -Garona needed to be the main character, her story ultimately brings everything together, but her development is stunted and it leaves some of her sub-plot development to be very abrupt. Plus Llane's decision with her at the end doesn't make a helluva lot of sense beyond "that's what the lore demanded".
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Jun 11, 2016 23:13
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You need to go into the movie with the knowledge that most Orcs are psychotic even without evil magic and that Durotan is a huge exception
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Jun 11, 2016 23:25
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Vintersorg posted:You're such a negative cancer. Ugh. i want bad things to fail so good things are made in their stead.
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Jun 11, 2016 23:33
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Sir Kodiak posted:In particular, that one dude agreeing to take the fell, but wanting his clan to see him do it, where it's obvious he's just stalling for time. It was great to have him get back to his camp and it's like, nope, the evil sorcerer isn't an idiot and saw through you instantly, and now he's killing all your people, you hosed up again. I completely disagree with this reading. Gul'dan would have just killed Doomhammer if that was his plan. Especially since Doomhammer is fine and just running around for the entire rest of the film unmolested by Gul'dan.
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Jun 11, 2016 23:40
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Fojar38 posted:To add to this, while it's true that it's made a shitload of money in China, it hasn't been making peanuts abroad either. Ehhh, it's made $19m in Russia and $10m in Germany after a week and a half which is pretty good for those markets but it's just bringing in dribs and drabs everywhere else. However the three day total in China is reportedly $144m which is more than all the other foreign markets together even though it's been out 10+ days in most of those other markets. It's doing ridiculous business in China. It's already made more than The Force Awakens and might catch up to Avatar and Jurassic World by the end of the weekend, which will make it one of China's 10 highest grossing films after being in cinemas only a week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China Edit: that's assuming it has any legs in China, apparently it completely smashed their records for pre-sales so I guess there's a chance they might pull a "Batman v Superman" and the audience will abandon it after the first three days if bad word of mouth completely kills its momentum. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jun 11, 2016 |
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Jun 11, 2016 23:41
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My dad really loved this movie, and it turned out to be better than what I expected but I still thought it was was mediocre overall. Though the RT score is bullshit imo. I wasn't really a fan of Fimmel as Lothar, or the guy who played Khadgar. Ben Foster is a solid actor for sure, but I didn't like him as Medivh either. I think if those 3 roles were cast differently, my opinion might be different. Loved all the orcs though; Patton as Garona was great. That said, I honestly can't imagine being into this movie at all if you haven't played the RTS games or the MMO series. It's definitely a movie for the fans and no one else.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Ehhh, it's made $19m in Russia and $10m in Germany after a week and a half which is pretty good for those markets but it's just bringing in dribs and drabs everywhere else. However the three day total in China is reportedly $144m which is more than all the other foreign markets together even though it's been out 10+ days in most of those other markets. It's doing ridiculous business in China. It's already made more than The Force Awakens and might catch up to Avatar and Jurassic World by the end of the weekend, which will make it one of China's 10 highest grossing films after being in cinemas only a week. I was more referring to the "if they are going to make a sequel it would be China-focused" which may be true for the marketing but there is no way that China alone would be enough to single-handedly cause it to break even at the box office even with Avatar levels of success. They need the non-Chinese market just as much as they need the Chinese market if the current box office revenue is anything to go by and there's a reason why no Hollywood movie has ever been made entirely for Chinese consumption despite all the Forbes rhetoric about the Chinese box office being huge. Also I dunno if comparing it to The Force Awakens is a good comparison, TFA was largely met with shrugs in China but it exploded the box office everywhere else. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Jun 12, 2016 00:05
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All the humans were bland as gently caress and couldn't act their way out of a wet paper bag, I include Garona in this sentiment as well. The Orc parts were decent but nothing matters. I always remember Gul'dan being the bitch of the horde, nobody trusts him and he manipulates behind the scenes.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:11
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Who was the actor who was the head of the kirin tor and what movie do I seem to recognize him from?
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Fojar38 posted:I was more referring to the "if they are going to make a sequel it would be China-focused" which may be true for the marketing but there is no way that China alone would be enough to single-handedly cause it to break even at the box office even with Avatar levels of success. They need the non-Chinese market just as much as they need the Chinese market if the current box office revenue is anything to go by and there's a reason why no Hollywood movie has ever been made entirely for Chinese consumption despite all the Forbes rhetoric about the Chinese box office being huge. In twenty years all movies are going to be made for china and india and american audiences are going to be an afterthought and it's going to make americans so so so angry.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:In twenty years all movies are going to be made for china and india and american audiences are going to be an afterthought and it's going to make americans so so so angry. No they won't be. China has already peaked and is now in decline.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:19
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Sergeant_Crunch posted:Who was the actor who was the head of the kirin tor and what movie do I seem to recognize him from? Apparently also Toby Kebbell, in a dual role with Durotan, according to IMDB? (Glenn Close has an uncredited cameo as another Kirin Tor member).
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Jun 12, 2016 01:24
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Also I can't loving believe that Glenn Close was in this movie as Alodi
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Groovelord Neato posted:i want bad things to fail so good things are made in their stead. This is what already happens, though.
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So this movie is bombing hard right? It's a shame, but it feels like the movie came out like 5 years too late, and it doesn't help that they butcher the writing - is it really so hard to just stick to the source and write non-cheese dialog?
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oswald ownenstein posted:So this movie is bombing hard right? Its only bombing critically
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Its only bombing critically Isn't a summer blockbuster with a huge budget opening #2 behind a horror sequel bombing?
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It's doing ridiculously well in China, very well in Russia and Germany, and not as bad as projected in the USA.
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oswald ownenstein posted:stick to the source and write non-cheese dialog? Does not compute.
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Fojar38 posted:You need to go into the movie with the knowledge that most Orcs are psychotic even without evil magic and that Durotan is a huge exception I only really know stuff from Hearthstone, I guess that explains why their world got destroyed.
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Jun 12, 2016 02:26
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oswald ownenstein posted:is it really so hard to just stick to the source and write non-cheese dialog? Uh. Have you played literally any Blizzard game
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I absolutely loved this movie. It might help that I have played WoW for years but I only play to have fun with friends and watch the number go higher, so I knew absolutely jack poo poo about how the story even remotely started. People have told me it's not exactly how it was in the games or books. But it is a solid retelling of it, and I thought it fit in really well! If I were to have one bitch about the movie though is that the guy that plays Anduin I just had no fun liking him as a character. He was like Captain Jack Sparrow but with way less emotion When Anduin looked at Blackhand after his son was killed by him all I could think about was how emotionless his face was.  Everything else about the movie I thought was pretty loving awesome! Maybe some people might complain about CGI but I thought it was really well done. Some parts were cheesy sure but it gives you a slight breath of relief before more action starts taking place. Just go see it. It's cool ok?
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Katamari Democracy posted:If I were to have one bitch about the movie though is that the guy that plays Anduin I just had no fun liking him as a character. He was like Captain Jack Sparrow but with way less emotion When Anduin looked at Blackhand after his son was killed by him all I could think about was how emotionless his face was. That's Lothar. Anduin won't be born for several years 
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Macaluso posted:That's Lothar. Anduin won't be born for several years Lothar's first name is Anduin. Kid Anduin is named after Lothar 
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Fojar38 posted:Lothar's first name is Anduin. Kid Anduin is named after Lothar Well I learned something today
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Macaluso posted:Well I learned something today Me too. See I diddn't know that either. I just checked some website to see if that was his name and went with that.
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I find it interesting that without showing Draenor too much, they hint to the audience just how the Orc homeworld is hosed just by Durotan sighing and saying that it's nice to see trees again.oswald ownenstein posted:Isn't a summer blockbuster with a huge budget opening #2 behind a horror sequel bombing? As I am fond of pointing out, Fury Road opened #2 behind a chick flick about singing.
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I think this is getting unjustly hammered by critics. I saw it tonight in a gigantic "RPX" branded theater that was about Imax sized, and there couldn't have been more than 15 people tops in the entire theater. Just a few people sitting alone in the middle of an entirely empty row. The movie had its problems, but I was really entertained for the whole thing. This was easily better than the Hobbit movies and at least 4 of the Star Wars.
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Twerk from Home posted:I think this is getting unjustly hammered by critics. I saw it tonight in a gigantic "RPX" branded theater that was about Imax sized, and there couldn't have been more than 15 people tops in the entire theater. Just a few people sitting alone in the middle of an entirely empty row. The movie had its problems, but I was really entertained for the whole thing. This was easily better than the Hobbit movies and at least 4 of the Star Wars. Critics aren't why the theater is empty.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:36
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Audience reviews are generally pretty favorable compared to critic reviews but the reason that the theaters are empty is because this movie was marketed like rear end plus it was supposed to be released like 4 years ago when WoW was at its height.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:59
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effectual posted:Critics aren't why the theater is empty. It's opening weekend, right? So people are there either because of marketing, reviews, or they're Blizzard fans who were always going to see it no matter what. If those fans do exist, they're sure not there at 7pm on a Saturday.
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OK so now I'm going to write a bunch about Warcraft. I went to the store on November 23, 1994 and bought a game called Warcraft: Orcs and Humans, which I anticipated for months and months after getting the demo on the PC Gamer CD. I also bought WC2 and WC3 I've played WoW since literally the first day of closed beta back over a decade ago, not to mention every other Blizzard game since then. I went to see the movie with my friend Bruce, who is also a Blizzard and specifically a Warcraft superfan. I tell you this to let you know that when we walked into the theater, we were both as hyped as could be and hoping all the bad press was just haters hatin'. Every time, every time, we have watched a Blizzard cinematic cutscene we have looked at each other and said something like, "Holy poo poo when are they going to make a movie?!?" Blizzard has always been head and shoulders above everyone else when it came to cinematics and IMO a lot of times their latest 5-minute CG epic blew away the best of Hollywood. I mean, look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlVSJ0AvZe0 That's from twelve years ago. They're just crazy, crazy good at making these things and so I was cautiously optimistic, which turned to, uh, I guess very, very cautiously optimistic when I saw how this was getting poo poo on. Then again, BvS got poo poo on, and it's legit good, so I'll make up my own mind thank you very much. We saw it on a Saturday in 2D at 10 AM and the theater was about 50% full, which is roughly 49% more full that it normally is for any 10 AM Saturday showing. What we got was about 25% loving awesome Warcraft cinematic grafted onto something lit and shot like a bad TV show. The way I described it afterwards before really thinking about it was, "We'd get a few minutes of something cool as gently caress with Durotan or Gul'dan or Medivh and then we'd immediately go back to loving Garona or the loving humans for 10 minutes at a time and it would all go to complete poo poo." So, uh... how do I even start to really talk about this movie? I still am not sure what the gently caress I saw or what happened to end up with, uh, whatever this was. Basically everything in the movie that looked like it was done entirely in CG (the orcs, basically) or had to do with the wizards was excellent, and anything that involved the actual non-wizard human actors or loving Garona was amazingly bad, I mean just amazingly, how-in-the-gently caress-did-this-see-the-light-of-day bad. I mentioned earlier that it was lit and shot like a TV show and that's what I just keep coming back to, like someone grafted a top-end Blizzard cinematic onto an episode of Friends or something. It's seriously jarring and distracting and every time it happened it sucked me out of the movie. I'd be entering the "Warcraft zone" after 2-3 minutes of badass CG orcs fighting and then BAM flat cut to some tiny room lit with a hand-held LED from Home Depot and now I actively don't give a poo poo again could we please go back to Durotan and get away from these hideously ugly humans, Christ. Whenever I see something like this I just think of the rooms and rooms full of competent professional adults signing off on all of these bad decisions. "What's that, have a human woman use a set of what appear to be vampire teeth from a TG&Y Halloween sale in our $150,000,000+ blockbuster? OK, that sounds great! What's that, let's cast an ugly man with the charisma of a water moccasin as the King of Stormwind? Sure, good idea! Use this old half-burnt klieg light we found on Craigslist as the main lighting of the film? Sure, it will save money!" HOW DOES THIS poo poo HAPPEN!?!?! There was one scene in particular that really stood out to me, where the fact that this was really two almost entirely different movies Frankensteined into one, a good CG one about orcs and a really, really bad live-action one about humans. Oh and that movie about humans is very badly lit, by the way. It's the scene where Orgrim Doomhammer is talking to Gul'dan about betraying Durotan and taking the fel in front of the Frostwolf tribe. While Gul'dan is talking to him he's occasionally sucking the life force out of a human slave chained at his feet. The whole thing feels epic and weighty, it's gorgeous, and it's loving horrifying, with the poor slave shrieking and getting whiter and more awful-looking as Gul'dan sucks more and more of the life out of him. Then, suddenly, there is a flat, instant cut to a completely different scene where Garona and Lothar and King Hideously Ugly are talking (uh oh, loving Garona) and the lighting is so God-awful bad it looks like it was shot in a loving Eckerd's somewhere and Garona's teeth look ridiculous and it's just an incredibly jarring, bewildering change. As an aside, there were a LOT of these kind of instant cuts to somewhere else with no kind of fade or wipe or scene transition at all and every single time it was jarring and looked like a mistake in editing, like there was supposed to be a transition of some kind there but there just wasn't, like they forgot to click the little icon in iMovie and change it from just a flat cut to, well, anything else. We don't need a full-blown circular wipe or something between every scene transition but every one shouldn't look like an editing mistake, for Christ's sake. loving Garona ruins every scene she's in and, in fact, I think having her and her plot in the movie was one of the things that wrecked it. It's just... everything about her and her plot is loving terrible. She only exists to be an interpreter and a half-assed "bridge" between orcs and humans but Oh Christ everything sucks. Every time she talks you can see, literally loving SEE the weird vampire teeth prosthetic she's biting on, the aforementioned incredibly bad lighting is reflecting off her green skin, and... man I've been sitting here trying to figure out how to describe just how bad she is in this movie and I hate to admit this but I don't have the words. All I can say is that after about 30 minutes as soon as I would see her on screen I would sort of slump back in my seat and wait for it to be over so we could get back to the orcs since I actually gave a poo poo about them and they didn't have a CHA score of loving zero. It was obviously trying to establish characters for a sequel ("This war is just beginning!" Thrall-Moses, etc) but man, I don't know that they're going to get a chance, because while I wanted to love this it's just a turd. Every scene that doesn't have an orc or a wizard in it is atrociously bad. gently caress this movie. The best I can say about it is that if you lifted 4-5 of the CG scenes from it and got a different plot, script, dialogue, director, actors, cast, crew, and oh yeah some loving lighting technicians it could have maybe been really good. There were parts of it I legitimately really liked, but when I spend 2/3 of the movie staring at the screen with my brain yammering "how did this happen oh my god what is this poo poo are those vampire teeth why are they letting the orc prisoner get next to the King of Stormwind oh God why is he so ugly and upsetting when can we get back to the orcs oh poo poo here's Garona again wait Medivh's evil now but why oh gently caress just look at this lighting are they holding up a 60 watt bulb or something" then gently caress this movie. I wanted to love you, Warcraft. But you just suck so much. Self-indulgent waaaah time: I waited a decade for this? How did this get made. How did we get a movie where we see something as awesome as a gryphon going apeshit in the middle of a bunch of orc infantry that's this loving bad. How. How did this happen. 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I don't know if it's true but I read somewhere they did all the primary scene filming within like two weeks. If that's true it explains a lot. I didn't hate the movie, but when I see people say they loved it I can only assume it's because they really like Warcraft.
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JonathonSpectre posted:OK so now I'm going to write a bunch about Warcraft. You know, the movie probably would have been better if it was just like, an hour or two of blizzard cutscene instead.
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I'm glad you enjoyed this iteration of the Orcs circa Warcraft 1 because it's all loving downhill from here.
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