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Pumpy Dumper posted:Why does widowmaker get hitscan, higher damage, AND an assault rifle secondary while hanzo literally only has arrows? Widowmaker is balanced around aiming being hard. The only problem is that it isn't.
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widowmaker is what happens when blizzard employees buff the sniper class until they can get reliable kills with it and then release it to the fps market
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Jun 12, 2016 00:34
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Countblanc posted:well the turret does ~110 damage over the full Deflect duration and has 300 health so you aren't really going to scratch it with the reflected damage and then you no longer have one of your most powerful flanking escape tools. like sure if you're going to die to the turret use it, but Deflect's damage would actually be low enough for the Torbjorn to heal the turret through it and that's saying something Again I think the problem is that we're trying to theorycraft around a situation where the only person capable of dealing with a Torbjorn turret is a loving solo genji in which case wasting your deflect is the least of your worries.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:34
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Lady Naga posted:What else would you do with it? Pocket it for that one situation where the most important thing to be attacking at the moment is a torbjorn turret yet also you are in danger of dying to something else in eight seconds and also nobody is around to help you out for some reason? Basically do anything but stand in the open doing piddly damage to the turret which is informing everyone of your exact location yes.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:35
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Widowmaker is what happens when you balance Snipers for consoles and not PC.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:36
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If you have trouble with Torbjorn turrets, or have the gall to complain about them while playing characters like Tracer who they're made to counter, you are bad.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:37
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Okay fine here is my protip for dealing with Torbjorn turrets as Genji: press enter (or `) and type (or say) "hey can one of our tanks aggro the turret while someone else with reliable long-range DPS kills it?"
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Jun 12, 2016 00:37
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What fans suggested to do was pretty good advice. You didn't need to offer a lovely alternative and then get mad about it.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:39
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Fans posted:Widowmaker is what happens when you balance Snipers for consoles and not PC.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:40
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I won a payload game as Rein with a beautiful 0/10 K:D and 3min objective time because I was throwing myself over and over on the payload while my teammates and half the other team played TDM. On my 10th death I screamed in agony CAN YOU PLEASE PUSH THE FUCKIN' PAYLOAD I'M GETTING 5x1D HERE and it actually worked and they got the last 5m.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:47
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Yeah I bet that Blizzard balanced Widow around contards 
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Jun 12, 2016 00:48
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Broseph Brostar posted:Yeah I bet that Blizzard balanced Widow around contards Would you like to offer an alternative theory? Dias posted:I won a payload game as Rein with a beautiful 0/10 K:D and 3min objective time because I was throwing myself over and over on the payload while my teammates and half the other team played TDM. On my 10th death I screamed in agony CAN YOU PLEASE PUSH THE FUCKIN' PAYLOAD I'M GETTING 5x1D HERE and it actually worked and they got the last 5m. Communicating with your team is very important even if you think you're hot poo poo that's too good for these darn PUBBIES and I'm hoping everyone learns from this.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:51
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Lady Naga posted:Would you like to offer an alternative theory? Widowmaker is a well designed character, the others are just weak and need to be buffed.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:53
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The kind of situations where I need to solo a turret as Genji are like, I've taken the flank route on Point A in Volskaya, and i want to start capping to draw the defenders back to the point. But there's a Torbjorn turret covering the point, and I can't ask my team to come kill it because they're busy trying to get through the choke. So I need to solo the turret, and sometimes thats weirdly hard to do as Genji. I wasn't saying it was impossible or bullshit or anything.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:57
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Widowmaker is a well designed character, the others are just weak and need to be buffed. The same amount of health as other assault classes who require them to get into range of other classes who likely need to get in range to do their maximum damage, an assault rifle that does slightly less damage than another class's primary weapon but with no damage fall off, a one second charge rate on their gun before they can kill all non-tank class in a headshot and most in a bodyshot, nearly non-existant scope shake when being shot, a skill which allows a quick escape if they get flanked that also allows them to reach locations where other classes can't reach them to flank them, an ultimate which the other team will have difficulty to notice which is impossible for them to know when it ends, and a zoom level that makes it easy to snipe in close quarters. That is very nice, but only for the person playing as them.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:58
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Cicadalek posted:The kind of situations where I need to solo a turret as Genji are like, I've taken the flank route on Point A in Volskaya, and i want to start capping to draw the defenders back to the point. But there's a Torbjorn turret covering the point, and I can't ask my team to come kill it because they're busy trying to get through the choke. So I need to solo the turret, and sometimes thats weirdly hard to do as Genji. I wasn't saying it was impossible or bullshit or anything. Oh okay fair enough. It's just that we get into these kind of situations a lot where "how do I deal with x" questions are asked and answered with the assumption that it's in a complete vacuum.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:58
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So my new favourite thing in life is shooting + meleeing a Genji that's trying to kill me as Mercy. My least favourite thing is all the other times I die playing Mercy. Anyone have tips for surviving more as Mercy? I try to play at the furthest range behind corners, etc, but sometimes you need to fly away and heal other people. That's usually when I get hosed. I'd like to think that it's my team's fault for scattering so much, but there's gotta be something else I can do.
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Jun 12, 2016 00:59
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ceaselessfuture posted:So my new favourite thing in life is shooting + meleeing a Genji that's trying to kill me as Mercy. Your flight ability is just as good an escape as it is a gap closer, if there's someone around at an elevation higher than you just fly away to them.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:02
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Lady Naga posted:Would you like to offer an alternative theory? Blizzard always streamlines gameplay and makes it easier for new people to learn how to play, and they applied that concept to a sniper hero and went way too far with it. Why else would her sniper rifle also turn into an assault when unscoped instead of having the regular downside that sniper rifles almost always have? It's pretty drat obvious that the game was internally tested and balanced on PC. If they did, they'd have already balanced the game better on console.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:04
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Nah man I'm pretty sure they designed the game around people not being able to move or aim at each other.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:14
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flashman posted:Nah man I'm pretty sure they designed the game around people not being able to move or aim at each other. idk if you're being sarcastic but that would pretty much explain why hitboxes and other issues are the way they are
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Jun 12, 2016 01:17
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[minutes after suiciding three times in match with own Junkrat grenades, missing every rip-tire]: Blizzard devs are so noob at their own game haha.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:22
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ceaselessfuture posted:So my new favourite thing in life is shooting + meleeing a Genji that's trying to kill me as Mercy. In control settings, select her and toggle your beam on and off, as well as switch off beam favors dude you jump to. It lets you lock on once and frees you up to look in all directions around you. When I first started Mercying you'd think her special ability was a staring at tanks butt all game. Mercy is only as mobile as the people positioned in line of sight around her. Also, screw guides, use her gun any time its not more important to boost or heel. Mercy's low threat so can almost be a spectator and catch sneak attacks on the dudes you're buffing but just looking behind you all the time as soon as you lock on beam.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:25
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Verranicus posted:Hey, I've made a few real posts!
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Jun 12, 2016 01:25
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pokchu posted:idk if you're being sarcastic but that would pretty much explain why hitboxes and other issues are the way they are Look at all of blizzard's games. They are designed in a way so that as many people as possible can play and get to a point where they feel they are 'good.' The problem is they finally ventured to FPS where people who are actually, really good are completely dominating the game
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Jun 12, 2016 01:26
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Widowmaker definitely feels like a wizard's apprentice situation where the wizard master said "Hey I'm heading out, look after the place while I'm gone but DO NOT BUFF ANY SNIPERS" and then Blizzard the Apprentice said "Well what does he know, I'll buff snipers as much as I like" and then next thing you know there are headshots everywhere Basically we are in that section of Disney's Fantasia where Mickey has summoned a bunch of mops with magic and it's hosed everything up and the moral of the story is that you don't make snipers too powerful for a good reason.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:26
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Cicadalek posted:Widowmaker definitely feels like a wizard's apprentice situation where the wizard master said "Hey I'm heading out, look after the place while I'm gone but DO NOT BUFF ANY SNIPERS" and then Blizzard the Apprentice said "Well what does he know, I'll buff snipers as much as I like" and then next thing you know there are headshots everywhere Do you have any metaphors more relatable than these, I still don't understand
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Jun 12, 2016 01:29
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widowmaker is like awp only free and you cant give one to the enemy team
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Jun 12, 2016 01:30
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wit posted:In control settings, select her and toggle your beam on and off, as well as switch off beam favors dude you jump to. It lets you lock on once and frees you up to look in all directions around you. When I first started Mercying you'd think her special ability was a staring at tanks butt all game. Mercy is only as mobile as the people positioned in line of sight around her. Also, screw guides, use her gun any time its not more important to boost or heel. Mercy's low threat so can almost be a spectator and catch sneak attacks on the dudes you're buffing but just looking behind you all the time as soon as you lock on beam. I definitely noticed improvement immediately after toggling those two options. I should definitely get better with her gun though, so that's good to hear, thanks!
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Jun 12, 2016 01:32
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Help Im Alive posted:Do you have any metaphors more relatable than these, I still don't understand Well you see Overwatch is a lot like Middle Earth, and
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Jun 12, 2016 01:33
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Minrad posted:widowmaker is like awp only free and you cant give one to the enemy team the AWP would be a downgrade for her
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Jun 12, 2016 01:33
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Widowmaker is like the collection of pornography you offer to show to strangers online.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:36
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Fans posted:Widowmaker is what happens when you balance Snipers for consoles and not PC. So then what explains Hanzo? Does his scatter arrow really make him that much better with lovely console aim?
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Jun 12, 2016 01:40
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I guess the pity Legendary drop is after 35 Loot Boxes, because I finally got one at Level 36. It was a Widowmaker skin, who was also the only purple skin I obtained from a box. It's me, I'm the outlier of bad luck, yo.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:40
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I mean, Widow skins are pretty good tho.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:41
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flashman posted:Widowmaker is like the collection of pornography you offer to show to strangers online. I actually enjoy Widowmaker though.
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Jun 12, 2016 01:46
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Dias posted:I mean, Widow skins are pretty good tho. Yeah but I was completely ok with my purple Widow, I would have preferred someone else, anyone else
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Jun 12, 2016 01:46
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Lady Naga posted:I actually enjoy Widowmaker though. why do you have a collection of porn you don't enjoy seems counter-productive then again i solo queue so what do i know
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Jun 12, 2016 01:48
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Lady Naga posted:I actually enjoy Widowmaker though. It's okay to enjoy your collection of pornography. You might even find people to defend your collection of pornography. But a majority of people dislike seeing your collection of pornography.
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Dias posted:why do you have a collection of porn you don't enjoy seems counter-productive I was raised Catholic.
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