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I would like to add that that bike is demonstrably not seventy-three feet in any dimension, as “ 73′ ” would imply. I want my money’s worth.  We’ve established the ride doesn’t last seventy‐three minutes, either. I’m pretty sure they meant “ ’73 ”, as in “1973”, but they got it wrong literally every single time, thirteen times in the text of that page and more in the multimedia. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 12:02 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:30mph! 20 mile range! Sweeeet, you get 40 minutes of ALL TERRAIN electric bike action then you have to wait 4 hours while it recharges so you can ride for another 40 minutes. I guess you could pack a spare battery but if you forgot to take it or you forgot to charge it then you'll be pushing this 65lb bike 20 miles back to your house. Or, uh, you could use the pedals? Like everyone else?
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Cheez posted:Or, uh, you could use the pedals? Like everyone else? I reckon riding that thing like a pedal bike would be real hard going.
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Cheez posted:Or, uh, you could use the pedals? Like everyone else? I'm a fat guy and that sounds way too much like exercise Also I was in a rush to poo poo all over this terrible Kickstarter project and I didn't even notice it had pedals 
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It's fair enough though, if you have the sort of commute where you really need an electric bike then it's probably also the sort of commute that would suck to have to pedal an unassisted electric bike through
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Do they go into why you'd get that abomination over a regular electric bike?
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Tippis posted:Do they go into why you'd get that abomination over a regular electric bike? You could cycle out using the pedals and get a full on workout, not worrying about getting too tired because you'd be going back on battery power.
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Jedit posted:You could cycle out using the pedals and get a full on workout, not worrying about getting too tired because you'd be going back on battery power. There's probably cheaper ways of achieving the same effect other than a $1899 ($2999 retail) + $200-500 postage electric bike.
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Looks like something you'd weld together after the zombie apocalypse happens.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's probably cheaper ways of achieving the same effect other than a $1899 ($2999 retail) + $200-500 postage electric bike. There are way better electric and manual means of transportation. That bike would be a lovely ride (likely very difficult to adjust to achieve fit), and it wastes a tonne of space that could've held more battery power or storage if it wasn't for the crappy pedals you're never really going to want to use in anger.
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Jedit posted:You could cycle out using the pedals and get a full on workout, not worrying about getting too tired because you'd be going back on battery power. So the same as a regular, professionally made electric bike then. Well, they seem to have found a niche at least: people who want to pay more for no particular reason.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I'm a fat guy and that sounds way too much like exercise Doesn't matter. With that weight and frame geometry, you're not going to get much value from those pedals. I don't see any mention of gearing in the rear hub. The only time they mention pedals is when talking about pedal assist mode. even the makers aren't naive enough to imagine you could pedal this on cheeto power alone and make it anywhere.
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What would compel anyone to spend three grand on one of these stupid things? How would it be better for commuting than something like a 125cc Grom? That's definitely what I'd get for commuting around a city.
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Tippis posted:So the same as a regular, professionally made electric bike then. Well, they seem to have found a niche at least: people who want to pay more for no particular reason. Awful Kickstarters Vol II: people who want to pay more for no particular reason
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's probably cheaper ways of achieving the same effect other than a $1899 ($2999 retail) + $200-500 postage electric bike. Undoubtedly. But I never said it was a good reason, just a reason.
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1. Take existing product. 2. Replace all good design decisions with bad design decisions. 3. Kickstarter.
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Germstore posted:1. Take existing product. 4. Profit 5. Just kidding we're bankrupt and the Kickstarter is cancelled
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I still can't believe the Freewrite both exists and made a profit. $500 for a pretentious hipster typewriter that can't charge off USB. Meanwhile you can get an Alphasmart Neo off eBay for $30 and it's built like a tank and lasts a solid month on two AA batteries. They should have just bought a pallet of them and shipped one to anyone who paid good money for that garbage.
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Yet another attempt at driving down the cost of hobbyist 3D printing, this time to a record low $49: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/101hero/101hero-the-world-first-us49-3d-printer?ref=category In their photos, you can clearly see the cheap plastic parts which make up the machine's structure. You cannot, however, see much of anything that would meaningfully demonstrate the sort of print quality it's capable of. Popular Human posted:I still can't believe the Freewrite both exists and made a profit. $500 for a pretentious hipster typewriter that can't charge off USB. Meanwhile you can get an Alphasmart Neo off eBay for $30 and it's built like a tank and lasts a solid month on two AA batteries. They should have just bought a pallet of them and shipped one to anyone who paid good money for that garbage. An e-ink screen does seem like a legitimately useful feature for something like that. Leaving out the arrow keys and spell check, not so much.
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Cockmaster posted:
No, an e-ink screen is a pretty stupid idea for something you need to actively write a long text on. Once you get past a full screen of text, you stop being able to get fast screen response by only changing the small area where the new letters are coming in, and start having to either do a lengthy full screen blank or shift everything up a set of lines. It's a big device with plenty of space for a battery, one of those monochrome low-power LCD screens with a reflective backing would work way better.
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Cockmaster posted:Yet another attempt at driving down the cost of hobbyist 3D printing, this time to a record low $49: I like that the video opens with "What if you could do (thing)?" "What if you could do (other thing??)" but the script very specifically doesn't follow up with "Well now you can with 101Hero!" because that'd make it a liable statement about the product that they could later be held to. edit: A couple lines later they say "(do the steps shown) and print anything imaginable!" which is different because that puts the onus on you in case whatever your imagination comes up with just so happens to break the thing.
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Collateral Damage posted:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/782844499/the-super-73 
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the production values and everything seem fine or whatever but Trigger Discipline is a tactical card game designed to recreate the elegance and aggression of a gunsword duel. 
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Otisburg posted:the production values and everything seem fine or whatever but I'm going to go ahead and assume that in the video, there are people with terrible facial hair and/or fedoras.
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fishmech posted:No, an e-ink screen is a pretty stupid idea for something you need to actively write a long text on. Once you get past a full screen of text, you stop being able to get fast screen response by only changing the small area where the new letters are coming in, and start having to either do a lengthy full screen blank or shift everything up a set of lines. Wouldn't they just move up a half screen on overflow, as demonstrated by TTY editors 40ish years ago for exactly this limitation? Then you only need full-screen redraws on the letter that pushes you to overflow.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:I'm going to go ahead and assume that in the video, there are people with terrible facial hair and/or fedoras. Fedoras not shown but heavily implied  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/833494208/trigger-discipline
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Fedora shaming has driven the fedoras from our heads, but you will never remove the fedora from our hearts.
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Oh yeah, you know that bald guy wears some kind of fedora.
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The other one generally wears some sort of rubber hat which he shares with four other similarly shaped individuals (because he looks like a toe) But big thanks to these guys for buying forum ads! edit: i didn't click it so I can't rule out it being an incredibly elaborate aggrogator ad
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The spirit of the fedora never leaves the head, even if it's physical body may be absent.
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muscles like this? posted:Oh yeah, you know that bald guy wears some kind of fedora. I think he looks more like a flat cap guy.
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Subjunctive posted:Wouldn't they just move up a half screen on overflow, as demonstrated by TTY editors 40ish years ago for exactly this limitation? Then you only need full-screen redraws on the letter that pushes you to overflow. Yes, but that introduces an annoying interrupt, so it's really only useful if you absolutely must have an e-ink screen. Which is why using a very low power LCD works a lot better for this sort of task.
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fishmech posted:Yes, but that introduces an annoying interrupt, so it's really only useful if you absolutely must have an e-ink screen. Which is why using a very low power LCD works a lot better for this sort of task. You can continue typing as the screen updates, though. What’s the problem? It’s visually jarring? That’s true of e‐ink page turns, but you get over it.
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Platystemon posted:You can continue typing as the screen updates, though. What’s the problem? It’s visually jarring? That’s true of e‐ink page turns, but you get over it. COntinuing typing as the screen updates on a device whose other gimmick is that you can't edit anything seems like it's just an insistence on causing problems. It's a lovely concept made worse by an insistence on using the e-ink screen.
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Do we even really need a screen? Just capture keystrokes; you can edit it later.
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fishmech posted:COntinuing typing as the screen updates on a device whose other gimmick is that you can't edit anything seems like it's just an insistence on causing problems. It's a lovely concept made worse by an insistence on using the e-ink screen. If you want to argue that the whole Freewrite/AlphaSmart Neo concept is dumb: no contest. I just don’t think the Freewrite’s e‐ink display is likely to be worse than a dot matrix LCD. Not tenfold‐price better, but that’s not the point. Plus the Freewrite has individual keyswitches, which is the kind of thing the “eccentric” writer target demo craves. You can’t put a price on ~art~.
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Platystemon posted:Plus the Freewrite has individual keyswitches, which is the kind of thing the “eccentric” writer target demo craves. You can’t put a price on ~art~. Mechanical keyboards are legitimately good to have for serious typing. The problem is that some of them are a bit too loud for a device meant to be used out in public.
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Platystemon posted:I just don’t think the Freewrite’s e‐ink display is likely to be worse than a dot matrix LCD. Not tenfold‐price better, but that’s not the point. It factually is worse, for what it's trying to be. Like sticking racing slicks on a car that you're going to try to drive on snow. 
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Cockmaster posted:Mechanical keyboards are legitimately good to have for serious typing. The problem is that some of them are a bit too loud for a device meant to be used out in public. If no one can hear your mechanical keystrokes then how are they going to notice your cool hipster typewriter. I'll admit it does look kind of cool. Not $500 cool. Maybe $100 cool.
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