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fool_of_sound posted:How's 9th grade going? Criticism of religion is just as important as freedom to practice. The automatic dismissal of people who criticize religion as a net loss for humanity, is just as stupid as believing the truth is always in the middle.
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As a Nebraskan Sasse occasionally makes news waves here for being a sensible moderate, but it's always hidden under mountains of this bullshit.
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Shillary posted:Criticism of religion is just as important as freedom to practice. The automatic dismissal of people who criticize religion as a net loss for humanity, is just as stupid as believing the truth is always in the middle. no you're free to criticize it all you want. People are just also free to call you a dipshit. Free speech!
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I'm curious about the logistics. How did he get into the club carrying that AR15 (or whatever that was)? Is that, uh, legal in Florida and/or was there no security at the entrance?
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meristem posted:I'm curious about the logistics. How did he get into the club carrying that AR15 (or whatever that was)? Is that, uh, legal in Florida and/or was there no security at the entrance? We'll probably hear about that today or tomorrow when the police make an extended statement. Useless to speculate until then.
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Deified Data posted:You have to go out of your way to make them incompatible but that doesn't stop people from trying, I guess. Nah, modern society is built on the application of scientific principles. Religion is literally the opposite.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Calling that out won't gonna change anything though. It's too ingrained. Good news for gun stores though! Seriously, you're talking about major gun control legislation during an election year, out of a Congress who hasn't accomplished anything more substantial than naming libraries in the last several years. Snowball's chance in hell. The GOP will scuttle that poo poo like it's their job, and the Dems don't have enough votes to push the issue anyway. I'm sure we'll be treated to the President pulling in survivors for TV ops and crying over how his gun control agenda got shot down over the course of his presidency as well.
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Shillary posted:Nah, modern society is built on the application of scientific principles. Religion is literally the opposite. uh huh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes
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meristem posted:I'm curious about the logistics. How did he get into the club carrying that AR15 (or whatever that was)? Is that, uh, legal in Florida and/or was there no security at the entrance? I would guess the assault rifle helped him get in.
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Shillary posted:Nah, modern society is built on the application of scientific principles. Religion is literally the opposite. We are currently having debates about whether or not trans people should be allowed to go to the bathroom matching their gender. That hardly seems scientific.
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meristem posted:I'm curious about the logistics. How did he get into the club carrying that AR15 (or whatever that was)? Is that, uh, legal in Florida and/or was there no security at the entrance? In fairness, if you get all the way up to the door of a night club carrying a massive gun that shoots a zillion bullets I think you're already home free. Like, even if the security was armed they still have to react before you start unloading bullets into them and a crowded sardine can.
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STAC Goat posted:The video is down in that link but I'm not convinced Todd said what that article suggested he said. The quote they have is “Do you think we can ever have a conversation where we have the terrorism conversation and the gun conversation, where it can have this without without trying to politicize one version of events over the other?” Ok that's a lot different if that's the case.
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Shillary posted:Nah, modern society is built on the application of scientific principles. Religion is literally the opposite. You're really ignorant about religious practice as it exists outside of your strawmen, huh? also Shillary posted:Criticism of religion is just as important as freedom to practice. The automatic dismissal of people who criticize religion as a net loss for humanity, is just as stupid as believing the truth is always in the middle. 
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Liquid Communism posted:I'm sure we'll be treated to the President pulling in survivors for TV ops and crying over how his gun control agenda got shot down over the course of his presidency as well. 
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FCKGW posted:Goddamn I really shouldn't have gone to Reddit this morning. Nothing but /r/The_Donald posts utterly giddy about the shooting. And they are actively brigading other subreddits to post about how Islam is to blame for all of this. They need to just banhammer that entire subreddit and everyone that has ever posted there.
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STAC Goat posted:In fairness, if you get all the way up to the door of a night club carrying a massive gun that shoots a zillion bullets I think you're already home free. Like, even if the security was armed they still have to react before you start unloading bullets into them and a crowded sardine can. I would imagine he probably just drove his car right up, got out and got his gun from the passenger seat.
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FilthyImp posted:To be fair, I only remember tears during Sandy Hook. And if you're giving the guy poo poo for *that*... well... Nah, I'm giving him poo poo for cynically using the parents of dead children to try and push his agenda and then throwing essentially a temper tantrum on TV when Congress shot him down. I understand his frustration, but that was a long distance from President Obama's usual class.
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Liquid Communism posted:Nah, I'm giving him poo poo for cynically using the parents of dead children to try and push his agenda and then throwing essentially a temper tantrum on TV when Congress shot him down. we get it, you're a dumpster fire
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Shillary posted:Nah, modern society is built on the application of scientific principles. Religion is literally the opposite. That is, and pardon my French, dumb as poo poo. "Modern" society is built on the precedent of thousands of years of cultural practices, many of which have as much scientific basis as the resurrection of Lazarus. Until you can find a scientific basis for the precise value of " what is good", everything in society ultimately comes down to shared personal morals, values, and beliefs.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:We are currently having debates about whether or not trans people should be allowed to go to the bathroom matching their gender. That hardly seems scientific. Exactly, and if you dig down many people's discomfort comes mostly from a place of religious belief. That's not to say there aren't secular transphobes but they are few and far between. How does this disprove my point? I never said scientific people couldn't be religious, just that religion relies on a lack of evidence for its existence. I'm ending this derail now, the point is no one goes on a shooting spree because the current accepted theory of RNA transcription gets challenged. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FilthyImp posted:To be fair, I only remember tears during Sandy Hook. And if you're giving the guy poo poo for *that*... well... No, he's giving him poo poo for this incident, which good, faithful conservatives have already chalked up to the deliberate use of an onion hidden in his right hand.
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Liquid Communism posted:Nah, I'm giving him poo poo for cynically using the parents of dead children to try and push his agenda and then throwing essentially a temper tantrum on TV when Congress shot him down. Eat poo poo and die you hosed up concern troll.
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Shillary posted:How does this disprove my point? I never said scientific people couldn't be religious, just that religion relies on a lack of evidence for its existence. I'm ending this derail now, the point is no one goes on a shooting spree because the current accepted theory of RNA transcription gets challenged. Wars, on the other hand, have been fought on the basis of denying the scientific truth that all the races of the world have no difference save the color of their skin.
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NewMars posted:Wars, on the other hand, have been fought on the basis of denying the scientific truth that all the races of the world have no difference save the color of their skin. No, wars are about land and resources.
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greatn posted:No, wars are about land and resources.
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greatn posted:No, wars are about land and resources. Resources. Like slaves?
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Liquid Communism posted:Nah, I'm giving him poo poo for cynically using the parents of dead children to try and push his agenda and then throwing essentially a temper tantrum on TV when Congress shot him down. Congrats on being the first thing to elicit a response from me wrt this event. Go gently caress yourself. 
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Shillary posted:Exactly, and if you dig down many people's discomfort comes mostly from a place of religious belief. That's not to say there aren't secular transphobes but they are few and far between. well you know, except for that big war we had here about the disagreement between the scientifically minded on if black people were basically just beasts of burden or human beings.
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Tender Bender posted:Eat poo poo and die you hosed up concern troll. Not trolling at all. Just predicting how this is going to go from a political standpoint, because theorizing over that is a good distraction from there being a whole lot of dead people right now and no clear narrative as to why. 
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Liquid Communism posted:Nah, I'm giving him poo poo for cynically using the parents of dead children to try and push his agenda and then throwing essentially a temper tantrum on TV when Congress shot him down. The only grotesquely cynical person here is you.
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FourLeaf posted:The only grotesquely cynical person here is you. Guilty as charged.
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Liquid Communism posted:Nah, I'm giving him poo poo for cynically using the parents of dead children to try and push his agenda and then throwing essentially a temper tantrum on TV when Congress shot him down. You are a disgusting person. Wow, gently caress you. How is this in any way a defensible position? bird cooch fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Tender Bender posted:Would you be saying the same if he was Christian? Yes.
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Liquid Communism posted:Not trolling at all. Just predicting how this is going to go from a political standpoint, because theorizing over that is a good distraction from there being a whole lot of dead people right now and no clear narrative as to why. From a political standpoint it sounds like this is gonna be San Bernardino all over again. Democrats will call for more gun control, but it will fall on deaf ears as Trump instead calls for banning Muslims from the US again (even though that wouldn't have helped if this person was indeed a citizen)
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I wonder how this will affect the general election... Trump would have much to gain in support from islamophobia, but how could this possibly help Hilary's cause?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:From a political standpoint it sounds like this is gonna be San Bernardino all over again. Democrats will call for more gun control, but it will fall on deaf ears as Trump instead calls for banning Muslims from the US again (even though that wouldn't have helped if this person was indeed a citizen) Yup. It's going to be an even uglier general election than it was already looking like.
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Grouchio posted:I wonder how this will affect the general election... It won't e: in that the outcome / lines are already drawn wrt this specific issue and none of that will change
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whitey delenda est posted:It won't But we will get a week or two of Arzying about it and a couple of comical conservatives with signs saying "we never got terrorist attacks under Republicans!", so it's all good.
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