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Unmature posted:You specifically mention the first twelve issues, does it drop in quality after that? Yes because Mark Millar takes over.
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X-O posted:I grew up mostly reading West Coast Avengers rather than Avengers so my interpretation of the teams is skewed based on that. But an Avengers team always feels a bit empty to me unless it has Hawkeye, Vision, Scarlet Witch, or Wonder Man. I know the last one is an odd choice, he's just a personal favorite though. Yes I'm the one guy that likes Wonder Man.
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 23:56 |
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Sailor Viy posted:Yes because Mark Millar takes over. Alright then, I'll be stopping at 12.
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 23:58 |
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Unmature posted:Alright then, I'll be stopping at 12. Millar's run had potential but it fell behind schedule and then they slotted in 4 extra issues by Tom Peyer that were not very good. Pretty much the Authority is a book that shouldn't have gone past #12.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 00:00 |
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Ghostlight posted:I was going to reply with a group including Wonder Man. The best version in my mind is pacifist Wonder Man who is an Avenger but just refuses to go out and punch bad guys. I would trade Hawkeye for Black Widow though. I don't know why, but I always identify John Byrne art by the mouths. Hawkeye's a good example here.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 00:02 |
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prefect posted:I don't know why, but I always identify John Byrne art by the mouths. Hawkeye's a good example here. Maybe it's because Byrne himself needs to be punched in the mouth.
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Ghostlight posted:I was going to reply with a group including Wonder Man. The best version in my mind is pacifist Wonder Man who is an Avenger but just refuses to go out and punch bad guys. I would trade Hawkeye for Black Widow though.
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Rhyno posted:Millar's run had potential but it fell behind schedule and then they slotted in 4 extra issues by Tom Peyer that were not very good. Pretty much the Authority is a book that shouldn't have gone past #12. Yeah. Mostly the best stuff you can say about later Authority is that it was notably still doing something different than other superhero books at the time, but if you're not reading them in the moment they were made they have not stood the test of time. The nadir was when they got Art Adams as an artist, DC decided it was too violent, and then asked Art Adams to redo pages, necessitating the whole Peyer fill-in arc. It's amazing how hard DC hobbled Wildstorm just as it started to reach a creative peak and then eventually drove them into utter obscurity, eventually just leaving the line to serve as the DC Try-Out Book.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Yeah. Mostly the best stuff you can say about later Authority is that it was notably still doing something different than other superhero books at the time, but if you're not reading them in the moment they were made they have not stood the test of time. The nadir was when they got Art Adams as an artist, DC decided it was too violent, and then asked Art Adams to redo pages, necessitating the whole Peyer fill-in arc. Paul Levtiz hated that book with a vengeance. It's no secret he's the reason DC lost Millar to Marvel.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 00:10 |
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Rhyno posted:Millar's run had potential but it fell behind schedule and then they slotted in 4 extra issues by Tom Peyer that were not very good. Pretty much the Authority is a book that shouldn't have gone past #12. At least it has Quitely on art.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 00:46 |
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Three issues into The Authority and I'm not sure I get it yet. It's a good team book so far, but seems pretty boiler plate to me. Does it go nuts in the next few issues somewhere? So far it's just a buncha superheroes fighting a bad guy.
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Unmature posted:Three issues into The Authority and I'm not sure I get it yet. It's a good team book so far, but seems pretty boiler plate to me. Does it go nuts in the next few issues somewhere? So far it's just a buncha superheroes fighting a bad guy. You might dig it more if you start with Stormwatch, since that kind of becomes the Authority. At least, that's how it was recommended to me, and there are some great Stormwatch issues. Ellis started with #37, and they should all be collected in trades. prefect fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Uthor posted:At least it has Quitely on art. Chris Weston drew a few issues and boy howdy are those some bad looking comics.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 01:21 |
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Wildstorm was KILLING IT in the early 2000s. They had Warren Ellis' Stormwatch leading into Authority, plus his brilliant Planetary. They had Joe Casey writing a stunning, underrated, underappreciated run of Wildcats based on plot threads set up by Alan Moore during his mid-'90s run. And they had Ed Brubaker redefining noir and espionage comics and still making them fit into a world of superheroes and supervillains with Point Blank and Sleeper, also inspired by Alan Moore's WildC.A.T.s. What an era of comics. Of course it couldn't last, but those were all such quality titles. And that doesn't even go into Moore's simultaneous work on America's Best Comics at Wildstorm.
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Uthor posted:Bone, Preacher, Transmet, anything Hickman has ever written (Fantastic Four comes to mind as an obvious companion to Planetary). Has Hickman said anything about when he's going to do more issues of The Dying And The Dead?
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 04:41 |
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Lurdiak posted:Nobody remembers that Sandman was briefly a reserve Avenger, before someone got a bug up their rear end about Sandman being a good guy now. That led to one of my favorite moments in JLA/Avengers. During the big final battle, Avengers from all different time periods are fighting a bunch of villains. The focus is mostly on mixing and matching companies. Captain America fighting Prometheus. Batman fighting Batroc. Amazing Man fighting Absorbing Man. Then there's one Marvel vs. Marvel panel thrown in there of Sandman beating the poo poo out of Scorpion
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 06:01 |
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My favorite JLA/Avengers mash-up is in Hickman's New Avengers when Namor kills not JLA's universe.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 09:18 |
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Skwirl posted:My favorite JLA/Avengers mash-up is in Hickman's New Avengers when Namor kills not JLA's universe. "We have hope." "Well, I hope you come up with something better." I love how much of an rear end in a top hat Namor is.
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Gavok posted:That led to one of my favorite moments in JLA/Avengers. During the big final battle, Avengers from all different time periods are fighting a bunch of villains. The focus is mostly on mixing and matching companies. Captain America fighting Prometheus. Batman fighting Batroc. Amazing Man fighting Absorbing Man. I like the panel where Mar-Vell is punching out Black Adam while Billy Batson is punching out Ronan the Accuser, while Dr Light is saying, "Watch out, Captain Marvel!"
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 10:34 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:I like the panel where Mar-Vell is punching out Black Adam while Billy Batson is punching out Ronan the Accuser, while Dr Light is saying, "Watch out, Captain Marvel!" And they both say "thanks", because they're polite people.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 10:37 |
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My favourite part of JLA/Avengers is that tragic love story between Kismet and Eternity.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 13:11 |
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There's a Superman story that I can't quite remember the name of, and I can't nail it down because every search term I try leads someplace else. It involves Mr. Mxyzptlk bringing a space shuttle into a space beyond the 5th dimension that not even Superman can safely penetrate, so he spends until the heat death of the universe studying the mysteries of 5th-and-beyond dimension stuff just to rescue the one guy aboard. I remember a scene where Superman visits the last god as he's dying, and then it turns out that Superman has grown so powerful in the interim that he's split off into an army of himself that he, the original, can control remotely. I'm sure one of you knows this but it's been bugging me for a week.
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Alvarez IV posted:There's a Superman story that I can't quite remember the name of, and I can't nail it down because every search term I try leads someplace else. It involves Mr. Mxyzptlk bringing a space shuttle into a space beyond the 5th dimension that not even Superman can safely penetrate, so he spends until the heat death of the universe studying the mysteries of 5th-and-beyond dimension stuff just to rescue the one guy aboard. I remember a scene where Superman visits the last god as he's dying, and then it turns out that Superman has grown so powerful in the interim that he's split off into an army of himself that he, the original, can control remotely. I'm sure one of you knows this but it's been bugging me for a week. That's "Strange Visitor" by Joe Keatinge and a bunch of artists, from The Adventures of Superman v2, issues 46 through 48 in the digital format, collected here.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Wildstorm was KILLING IT in the early 2000s. They had Warren Ellis' Stormwatch leading into Authority, plus his brilliant Planetary. They had Joe Casey writing a stunning, underrated, underappreciated run of Wildcats based on plot threads set up by Alan Moore during his mid-'90s run. And they had Ed Brubaker redefining noir and espionage comics and still making them fit into a world of superheroes and supervillains with Point Blank and Sleeper, also inspired by Alan Moore's WildC.A.T.s. What an era of comics. Of course it couldn't last, but those were all such quality titles. And that doesn't even go into Moore's simultaneous work on America's Best Comics at Wildstorm. Sleeper is one of my favorite comics ever.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 20:29 |
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I've been enjoying Rachel & Miles X-plain the X-Men and Comic Conspiracy are there any podcasts out there that people would recommend that deal with other Marvel or DC titles?
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Ultragonk posted:I've been enjoying X-plain the X-men had a big crossover with a bunch of their friends' podcasts which would be a decent http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/10/28/the-first-comics-podcast-mega-crossover-begins-tomorrow-with-the-fan-bros-show/#! The only one that sounded most like what Jay and Miles do was Journey into Mystery where someone explains comics to a newbie. https://jimpodcast.com/journey-into-misery/ The rest are mostly regular review and interview shows. The only other one I really listen to is War Rocket Ajax, but solely for the monthly Every Story Ever specials and the occasionally interview that piques my interest. EDIT: I've heard of another podcast that explains a different series, but I can't remember what that was and am having trouble searching for it. Uthor fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Journey into Misery is very close thematically to Jay and Miles, and the male host of it makes an explicit point of not covering x-men characters or storylines so he doesn't chomp on their style.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 22:22 |
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Yeah I recently got to the X-plain the X-men episode of Secret Convergence on Infinite Podcasts and I'm going through the rest now. Journey Into Misery seems interesting I guess it'll be a good idea just to go through them all and see what I like.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 22:36 |
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The longest/most convoluted/worst characters and events (Grant Morrison Batman, The Flash, Hickman's run from Fantastic Four to Secret Wars, Identity Crisis, Hawkman) are the best episodes. Anything that makes Helena freak out or react super confusedly because dumb as gently caress comics bullshit is the best.
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# ? Jun 13, 2016 23:04 |
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If you care about the Fantastic Four I can recommend Baxter Building by Jeff Lester and Graeme McMillan. They read a dozen issues of Fantastic Four every month starting from #1 and talk about them. Not as polished and concise as J&M, but quite entertaining.
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Grey Area posted:If you care about the Fantastic Four I can recommend Baxter Building by Jeff Lester and Graeme McMillan. They read a dozen issues of Fantastic Four every month starting from #1 and talk about them. Not as polished and concise as J&M, but quite entertaining. Do they have something resembling a formula? I generally like what they have to say but Wait, What?! kept going onto half-hour diversions about their local waffle hut that just lost me. My favorite comics podcast is House to Astonish with Paul O'Brien and Al Kennedy, though they're more a news 'n review sort of show, Paul O'Brien's X-Axis blog reviews (that dated back to rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks) were a big inspiration behind JAMXTX. If nothing else, if you listen to one comics podcast ever, make it House to Astonish's Handbook Tapes episode, which is a world wonder of comics nerddom.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 00:33 |
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Grey Area posted:If you care about the Fantastic Four I can recommend Baxter Building by Jeff Lester and Graeme McMillan. They read a dozen issues of Fantastic Four every month starting from #1 and talk about them. Not as polished and concise as J&M, but quite entertaining. I enjoy the Fantasticast, who do something similar. I discovered them via a reference in the Jay & Miles episode covering X-Men v Fantastic Four.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 01:51 |
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Ghostlight posted:I was going to reply with a group including Wonder Man. The best version in my mind is pacifist Wonder Man who is an Avenger but just refuses to go out and punch bad guys. I would trade Hawkeye for Black Widow though. In todays issue the role of the Beast will be played by Mathew Mcconaughey.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 09:34 |
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That's what I love about time displaced X-Men, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 11:10 |
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Ghostlight posted:That's what I love about time displaced X-Men, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
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I'm happy to see people recommending Journey into Misery. Kieran and Helena are genuinely good folks. Fun fact: they make a trip to the US once a year explicitly to watch a three-day indie wrestling show. And they're right to do so because King of Trios is the poo poo and they get to hang out with me.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 22:48 |
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Oh jeez they associate themselves with a goon? Willingly?
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 22:49 |
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Toxxupation posted:Oh jeez they associate themselves with a goon? Kieran and Helena's shameful secret
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Are the six issues of Captain America Reborn the end of the Brubaker/Captain America stuff or is there more?
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