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JonathonSpectre posted:OK so now I'm going to write a bunch about Warcraft. Have you ever been laid? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Immortan posted:Have you ever been laid? 
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Jun 13, 2016 01:08
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GonSmithe posted:Talk about the movie, there is an entire Subforum if you want to talk about the Games. This movie series (although I doubt it will become much of a series after this) seems to exist solely to pin down a singular story for the warcraft universe which was built piecemeal at random over 20 years the first time. Like if this story gets far enough to get to old gods stuff they will decide from the start that they are a real part of the story instead of them being just a random lovecraft shout out boss in their egypt/beetle themed dungeon that they later decided was a thing they would die to the core story. The whole writing of this seems based around setting up later stuff with a bunch of retcons that make the earlier story lead to the later story in a smoother way than the made up as it went along way it did the first time. None of this fel stuff was in the original game. Even warcraft III was less definitive about things than this.
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Jun 13, 2016 01:10
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Immortan posted:Have you ever been laid? Says the dude posting on Something Awful's film forum in the Warcraft movie thread.
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Jun 13, 2016 01:12
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Blizzard's writers grew up with and were inspired heavily by comic books, which is why continuity matters less than doing something totally wicked cool dudes. This isn't even something they hide, they have outright said "If continuity is getting in the way of our vision we will alter the continuity." They even nipped it in the bud with the movies by saying they were a seperate canon from the games.
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Jun 13, 2016 01:17
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Captain Oblivious posted:I can't agree really. Metzen was right to think "maybe having an entire race be irredeemable bloodthirsty monsters sends kind of a lovely message". It's one of the few correct thoughts he's had and the WC3 behavior of the orcs is rather inoffensive. Warhammer solves this problem by having their Orcs be fungus that just happens to be vaguely people shaped and needs to always be fighting because they spread their spores by getting cut up and/or killed. Not that Warhammer doesn't have just as much stupid stuff as Warcraft on the whole.
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Jun 13, 2016 01:37
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Background: I played the first 2 Warcrafts and WoW up through Burning Crusade as Horde. I just saw the movie. I liked it. The visuals were amazining. The story was interesting but it didn't feel complete. They probably should have put "Part I" in the title. Unlike the other guy who was quoted, I thought Garona was solid. It probably helped that I played as Horde and felt at least some connection already to that faction and the choices they made.
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Jun 13, 2016 02:36
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The movie's title is technically Warcraft: The Beginning so it definitely feels like they are banking on a sequel to explain more of the plot. Which makes sense considering they completely left it wide open for a sequel: the orcs are still there, just had their supply lines cut off. They're still a huge threat, just nullified for the near future.
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Jun 13, 2016 02:45
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As a casual wow player for about 8 years I went into the movie hoping for something decent. I walked out happy. From what I gather most of the complaints here are summed up like this: 1. Human actors and lighting are bad. 2. Garonas stuff made no sense 3. Story is jarring or makes no sense my answers 1. Yea they are. It's a green screen movie, lighting is always bad. LotR got away with it because for hte most part it was dark and gritty or had a lens flare thing going on. I think the visuals did well to match the themes of the games, and they did what they could to get the human faces to look god inside the giant armor which is warcraft standard. 2. She's gul'dans pet, and she speaks human so of course she'd come along. Why is she in the forest with the raiding party? Maybe the initial plan was to take some captives and have her talk to them? Who the gently caress cares, it's a plot device to get her into the hands of the humans so they can learn about the orcs and bridge the language gap. 3. Most of the complaints I've read are people not picking up on things that range from extremely obvious, like Medivh TELLING HER HE IS HER FATHER AND GIVING HER A GIFT, to Orgrim's scene with Gul'dan cutting to the Frostwolves execution, Gul'dan didn't buy it people, and Orgrim was trying to trick him. How the hell do some of you think they were being honest with eachother in that scene? They were lying and both knew it and Gul'dan said fuckit kill the clan before they rise against me. Anyway TL:DR just lighten up people, it was a fun movie and movies are supposed to be fun. There's no way they could make this look real and keep the flavor of the universe and there's no way they could jam a story that takes place over a few years into a 2 hour movie and make it work so they made it take place over about a week. GG blizz, I hope you guys get to make 2 more movies based on WC2 and 3 Nitramster fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Jun 13, 2016 04:02
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Saw this thing on a Sunday night (opening weekend U.S.) and the theater had 5 people besides me in it. Even on a Sunday that's harsh. This movie had some issues. The main one was holy poo poo Garona's teeth were BRILLIANTLY WHITE. Every single other orc has somewhat hosed up or yellow teeth and here's Garona, walking around with teeth so white you gotta wear sunglasses while talking to her. Unbelievably white teeth. Some of the CGI scenes were jarring and uncanny, some were totally great. The story was a disaster, and there was a scene towards the end with Khadgar, Medivh and Lothar where I was just cringing the whole time because how the gently caress did they let this scene make it past the first draft of the script, but whatever. I don't know what I expected, but I think maybe they should've just gone with the tried and true best Warcraft story, which is Arthas. I don't even know if there's potential for that though, because at one point the king shows us a picture of the world, and all it has is the Eastern Kingdoms. No Kalimdor, no mention of Lordaeron (though there might've been the L logo there, I didn't get a good enough look in the scene I think it appeared in).
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Jun 13, 2016 06:56
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AbrahamLincolnLog posted:The movie's title is technically Warcraft: The Beginning so it definitely feels like they are banking on a sequel to explain more of the plot. Which makes sense considering they completely left it wide open for a sequel: the orcs are still there, just had their supply lines cut off. They're still a huge threat, just nullified for the near future. Any sequel (lol) would probably just go straight into War3 stuff.
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Jun 13, 2016 07:06
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I can almost guarantee you that one of the human leaders meeting with Llane was meant to be King Terenas. From what I gather overall, before Warcraft 3, the Eastern Kingdoms basically was Azeroth. They'd never explored across the sea, which makes sense considering there's a giant gently caress-off whirl pool of death between the continents.
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Jun 13, 2016 07:32
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Yes, they didn't know about any other continents at the time.
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Jun 13, 2016 07:33
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Any sequel (lol) would probably just go straight into War3 stuff. I can't even imagine what a warcraft II movie would even be. It barely had a story and was mostly about meeting the dwarfs and elves which this movie already had. Plus the expansion is just barely cannon in the most hand waviest ways possible.
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Jun 13, 2016 12:47
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I can't even imagine what a warcraft II movie would even be. It barely had a story and was mostly about meeting the dwarfs and elves which this movie already had. Plus the expansion is just barely cannon in the most hand waviest ways possible. Well, shutting down the Dark Portal... Which I've heard was done in this movie?
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Jun 13, 2016 13:22
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does medivh tell garona he is her father? because in the pre-established canon she is half draeni and has a son with medivh...
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Jun 13, 2016 13:29
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Relin posted:does medivh tell garona he is her father? If this movie retconned Med'an out of existence, I'll up my opinion of it.
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Jun 13, 2016 13:42
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Relin posted:does medivh tell garona he is her father? he tells her that he met and fell in love with an... alien? (i forget the word he used) woman during his travels when he was young. which just confused the gently caress out of me, like who the hell is he even talking about? it's a weird thing to change from the lore.
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Jun 13, 2016 14:04
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Everyone in this movie was the same age and it made it really hard to tell family relations. Like I guess Medivh has a daughter that is an actress that is 5 years older than him
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Jun 13, 2016 14:05
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Not Operator posted:If this movie retconned Med'an out of existence, I'll up my opinion of it. Med'an has been gone for quite a while. Even Blizzard thought it was too stupid to keep.
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Jun 13, 2016 14:15
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Nitramster posted:2. She's gul'dans pet, and she speaks human so of course she'd come along. Why is she in the forest with the raiding party? Maybe the initial plan was to take some captives and have her talk to them? Who the gently caress cares, it's a plot device to get her into the hands of the humans so they can learn about the orcs and bridge the language gap. It's a plot device that's stupid and badly explained. Like I said, I get why she's there. I just wanted an in-universe reason rather than "Eh she just needed to be for the story, deal with it". It's sloppy, like everything in the film. Yes Medivh said he had a kid with someone in another world and I figured he was about to tell Girona he was her father. Maybe that's what he was going for when he gave her that rose which led to nothing and nothing happened from it, who knows.
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Jun 13, 2016 14:26
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Taear posted:It's a plot device that's stupid and badly explained. Like I said, I get why she's there. I just wanted an in-universe reason rather than "Eh she just needed to be for the story, deal with it". It's sloppy, like everything in the film. The in universe reason is that their world is dead and they need to move every single person to this new world they found. The only poorly explained part is the part where you have a logistics table in your head about the most efficient means to move the entire population of a planet and they didn't follow that and instead brought possessions of the leaders in earlier than would have been optimal.
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Taear posted:Yes Medivh said he had a kid with someone in another world and I figured he was about to tell Girona he was her father. Maybe that's what he was going for when he gave her that rose which led to nothing and nothing happened from it, who knows. Oh yeah what the hell was with the flower thing? "this is my gift to you" and he teleports her just to go talk to lothar again? why?? there was a whole lot of me asking "why" during this movie
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Jun 13, 2016 14:35
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Kerrrrrrr posted:Oh yeah what the hell was with the flower thing? "this is my gift to you" and he teleports her just to go talk to lothar again? why?? Dude gives a flower made of magic (he's not just any mage, he's the mage, so of course he throws things made out of magic around) to his daughter he thinks he's never going to see again (which, of course, turns out to be true). This happens immediately after the revelation that he's her father. It's a parting gift.
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Jun 13, 2016 14:45
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My friend saw this while stoned and says it's the greatest movie ever so if you didn't like it try that.
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Jun 13, 2016 16:33
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My least favorite thing about this movie is how every single thing that happens has to take place across like 3 different locations. It feels like everyone is moving around constantly. Everything has to take place in like 5 different locations.
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Jun 13, 2016 17:14
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The in universe reason is that their world is dead and they need to move every single person to this new world they found. The only poorly explained part is the part where you have a logistics table in your head about the most efficient means to move the entire population of a planet and they didn't follow that and instead brought possessions of the leaders in earlier than would have been optimal. Yea that's it you've got me. The slave of the most important guy in the film who is also one of the primary protagonists is just there because "well they brought all their stuff". I don't want a logistics map I just wanted to know why she was suddenly in the forest for no reason. Like I said before it's not a huge plot hole it's just sloppy storytelling.
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Jun 13, 2016 17:30
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Taear posted:Yea that's it you've got me. The slave of the most important guy in the film who is also one of the primary protagonists is just there because "well they brought all their stuff". I don't want a logistics map I just wanted to know why she was suddenly in the forest for no reason. The portal deposited the Orc vanguard in a forest lake. She's also the only orc-human translator depicted IIRC.
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Jun 13, 2016 18:02
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Filthy Casual posted:The portal deposited the Orc vanguard in a forest lake. She's also the only orc-human translator depicted IIRC. The area they left the portal wasn't the forest the raid took place in. The raid is much later, when they've heard rumours of orcs killing people. And yes I know she is that's what I was saying before! She's also the only half orc, at least that we know of, so she should in theory be a pretty big deal even if it's the sort of deal everyone hates.
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Jun 13, 2016 18:39
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Would it really makes the movie any better if there was a scene with Gul'dan telling the orc raiding party to take Garona with them to translate human prisoners? Do you really need info like this spoon fed to you to enjoy a movie?
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Jun 13, 2016 18:48
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Taear posted:And yes I know she is that's what I was saying before! She's also the only half orc, at least that we know of, so she should in theory be a pretty big deal even if it's the sort of deal everyone hates. Again we are getting into some ideal logistics chart you have in your head that the movie isn't living up to. Like clearly you would be the better leader of the hoard and would allocate resources better, but that isn't really a plot hole or bad wrting in a movie with plenty of bad writing and a bunch of plotholes.
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Jun 13, 2016 19:16
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Interesting reading, entering into a virtual world through a giant gate is indeed, largely a metaphore for birth/rebirth. A point of refernace here being the blue-baby Kaiju from Pacific Rim; and the yonic symbolism of passing through an inter-dimensional rift. So the blue-skin womans plea to save her child, ties into the new birth that takes place on the other side. With the emergance of the strong, from a kind of green pimordial soup. Setting up a relationship between the blue-skin slaves, the weak sacrificed to power the gate; for the sake of the strong in relation to the new birth. A child who is born blue and through a blood sacrifice, has his skin turned green. So Durotan desires a radically different future for his child. Leading to his revolutionary suicidal act, born from love. Radically challenging the idealogical grip of power, characterised by the green magic, but he knew he wouldn't survive. It's also overtly satirical with the human characters and with words like "Guardian" and "King". brawleh fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Jun 13, 2016 19:20
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Gul'dan was done pretty drat well, at least. Saw it again this weekend with some friends, and we all agreed he was one of the best parts about the movie. Maybe it's just because I've been in HFC for most of the expansion so he's fresh on my mind, but they did a good job of making him pretty frightening.
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Jun 13, 2016 19:38
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If this was entirely from the perspective of the Orcs, it'd have been a watchable movie. Instead we got some extras from LOTR to play the humans, and some really awful CGI shots of not-Gondor, with quite possibly the worst sexual tension I've ever seen between Mr. Vikings and Sexy Feral Orc lady. Part of me wonders if studio meddling forced them to focus more on the humans, because the Orc CGI scenes legit felt like a separate movie.
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Jun 13, 2016 19:46
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I saw this with my brothers in law who know nothing about warcraft. I thought there was a decent movie in there if they hadn't screwed up the casting so bad and had a supervisor to yell at the nerds whenever they tried to cram something irrelevant into the movie and keep them on target. Both of my brothers in law hated it. One of them has no taste and loves every big budget piece of crap that gets shoveled out and they couldn't even win him over. I expected them to make changes to make the story more straightforward and easy to follow in an hour and a half but it was just as all over the place as it would have been if it had stayed more faithful to the original and I don't think anything different was really an improvement. I think it's worth seeing if you like warcraft or fantasy in general but it's definitely not good in a more general sense. Seeing the orc warlords as extras was a nice nod to the fans but I thought they built other parts of the movie to include in game stuff and it made the movie worse for it. Ironforge at the beginning is a good example.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyblkxGJB68
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The Deadline final B.O. writeup is harshquote:Despite all the headline grabbing that Universal/Legendary’s Warcraft has hooked with its $150M-plus China opening, all that glitters is not gold. I’m now hearing from sources that the theatrical breakeven on Duncan Jones’ videogame epic is significantly higher than $500M, more like $700M,and that the production cost is in excess of $160M and $110M P&A. Well, if anyone wants a sequel, China will have to carry about 2/3 of the total Worldwide B.O. to $700M. Good luck, gamer friends.
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Jun 14, 2016 01:27
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Welp. While I would have liked to see a sequal, I agree they should have concentrated on making a more compelling movie that even non-gamers could enjoy.
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nelson posted:Welp. While I would have liked to see a sequal, I agree they should have concentrated on making a more compelling movie that even non-gamers could enjoy. I'm just sitting and scratching my head on how. Like, the costs inflating so much to need a $700M breakeven is just ridiculous. That's on the same level of overspending and bad decisions as when we made Green Lantern. They must have been pushing China marketing even more than people realized.
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Axel Serenity posted:I'm just sitting and scratching my head on how. Like, the costs inflating so much to need a $700M breakeven is just ridiculous. That's on the same level of overspending and bad decisions as when we made Green Lantern. They must have been pushing China marketing even more than people realized.
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