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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:
Yes tell me more about the assault weapon problems you have in europe.  I guess murder is an ok thing only on the right? actually no i take it back, I'm touchy as gently caress about this right now. Please explain what your statement has gently caress all to do with wanting sensible gun regulation
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YOU A loving HAT posted:Interviews also revealed he hated black people, jews and women. This guy was just a bigoted piece of poo poo and looking to claim affiliation with whatever group hated the most people. Trumps I told you so is bs because this wasnt about being muslim, or even being in ISIS, which he wasn't to best of anyone's knowledge. If this guy had been white, he'd be shooting up clubs in the name of the Klan. It just makes me sick. https://twitter.com/missyasin/status/742148111741661185
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Jun 13, 2016 16:14
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This just in, men who are huge bullies will seek out ways to get power over those members of the population that they dislike. Oh no wait I'm sorry, it's because of Muslims. The problem is NEVER coming from inside the country. We're America. Everyone else is the problem.
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Jun 13, 2016 16:40
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SneakyFrog posted:Yes tell me more about the assault weapon problems you have in europe. Ugh just SHOOT ALL THE BAD PEOPLE, FROGGY. HOW HARD IS IT. just find and shoot the bad guys! You bleeding heart liberals with your "maybe find the root of violence instead of screaming and retaliating blindly." i swear. Huge eye roll.
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Jun 13, 2016 16:42
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Does it count as irony that a guy who pretty blatantly only wanted to be a policeman because they get to shoot people died being shot by police or would it only have been ironic if he hadn't deserved it
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Jun 13, 2016 16:45
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YOU A loving HAT posted:Ugh just SHOOT ALL THE BAD PEOPLE, FROGGY. HOW HARD IS IT. just find and shoot the bad guys! You bleeding heart liberals with your "maybe find the root of violence instead of screaming and retaliating blindly." i swear. Huge eye roll. sorry all dont mean to have a berniebro meltdown and all.. Just  ing the drat casualty list all day hoping not to see any names i know.
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Jun 13, 2016 16:53
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yeah, and the sanders campaign response was ORIGINALLY fine and mentioned the LGBT element (which hillary's didn't), but then sent out this hawkish  ISIS!!!!!! tweet later and it was like.....how does one get so close to getting it..... and then miss by a mile.especially because the more we learn about the guy, the more we learn that he was hosed up in a MYRIAD of ways and that the isis thing is -not- the main motivation for this, like, at all.
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Jun 13, 2016 17:12
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Yeah its pretty clear ISIS just went "hmm yes we didn't do this but the guy claimed to be part of us and did a good job we never could do, so lets pretend we had big connections" since they know it'll rile up more anti-muslim rhetoric in the US and radicalize more muslims here. The guy sounds like the more we learn and after emotions run high that he has almost NO TIES to IS and did this on his own then claimed he was and IS decided to go with it. I don't know why Bernie doesn't get that but hey whatever got to clean up the mess we created I guess?
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Jun 13, 2016 17:25
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i think someone mentioned this earlier but it's odd how he goes against beltway thinking in many circumstances but when it comes to foreign policy he is very "beltway" about it right now, with only a few deviations here and there.
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Jun 13, 2016 17:27
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Classic Comrade posted:i think someone mentioned this earlier but it's odd how he goes against beltway thinking in many circumstances but when it comes to foreign policy he is very "beltway" about it right now, with only a few deviations here and there. He's still moderate on Israel at least
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Jun 13, 2016 17:28
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i dont think you can entirely erase isis from this equation in this shooting. there being a radical and violent terrorist group that will endorse any butchery you do in their name definitely helps incept the idea for this sort of thing in peoples heads. that said, thats only a good reason to be anti-isis which i believe just about everybody already is. the question for me turns to the fact that turkey saudi arabia and obama hillary et al in the west will continue to insist on funding and arming radicals in syria, thus keeping the incubator for isis in the region running steadily. https://twitter.com/adamentous/status/720061939255259138  etc
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Jun 13, 2016 17:42
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I think Bernie's response was fine. Problem is that the hybrid nature of the shooter doesn't get emphasized enough. So people hear ISIS and jump to global-mastermind-terrorists when its more like propaganda of the deed like the anarchists of yore. Now, related to that, if you look at Western govt's response to the anarchists, repressive security measures and anti-immigration backlash didn't have a very good track record. But ideological competition which rendered the anarchists moot did.
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Jun 13, 2016 17:49
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C-SPAN Caller posted:He's still moderate on Israel at least hence the "few deviations here and there" also @fastluck i wasn't saying there was NO isis connection, i was just saying that there was a buttload of other variables to this and focusing JUST on the isis one i think would be reductive.
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Jun 13, 2016 17:49
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It'd be reductive, yeah. What confuses people is that they're wrongly thinking of these attacks like Al Qaeda, which is/was more of the classic example of what you'd think of when you hear the phrase 'terrorist organization.' I'm hoping people are finally starting to slowly realize that the mass shooting problem has actually been a terrorist problem this whole time, except with people indoctrinating themselves into the cult-like state of mind terrorists require to indiscriminately slaughter other human beings. What I.S. has done is encourage them. So it's a hybrid. What's also a bit different is that the shooter's personal problems are a factor. So Elliot Rodger was an anti-feminist terrorist by his own definition, but he was also acting out because of personal grievances, because he couldn't get laid, he killed his roommates, etc. Florida man had an intense and specific hatred for gays. Al Qaeda blowing up an airplane is a strategic target; as far as they're concerned it's nothing personal. Leaving aside the gun issue, that young men who are not living in war zones, and are in fact by all objective measures living rather normal lives are doing that to themselves is deeply concerning. It's a canary in the coal mine that something is deeply wrong in western societies at the moment. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 18:13 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Jun 13, 2016 18:09
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Osama bin Laden was extremely wealthy and western educated, and look what happened. Its not that something is wrong with western society, its that people long to try something new and believe the grass is greener on the other side. If youve never watched a militant theocracy in action its easy to believe it would be better and more moral than the west, especially if youre wealthy or secure enough to not give a poo poo about economic concerns. This is why interventionism is destined to fail, cultures need to have their own gently caress ups and learn rather than having lessons imposed from the outside. None of that has to do with this shooter though, he was a lone hateful nutjob who would have found some other ideology to justify wanting to mass murder gays. We shouldnt use the inscrutable desires of the Musselman as an excuse for this one.
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Jun 13, 2016 18:28
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Sorry to burst in on terrorism chat, not really another thread I can think of where this would fit: https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/742435347791941632 Seems Sanders was right on Malloy. Originally I thought he was just another indistinguishable establishment dem, turns out he's giving Frank a run for his money in terms of being a scumbag. In case anyone forgot, Malloy and Frank are co-chairs of the rules committee for the democratic convention. Sirota is digging deep on the merger's connection to Malloy and he just keeps pulling up nasty poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2016 20:58
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What exactly did Barney frank do besides be mean to Bernie Sanders
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Jun 13, 2016 21:33
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empireofcrime posted:Sorry to burst in on terrorism chat, not really another thread I can think of where this would fit: Scumbag is a slur
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Jun 13, 2016 21:35
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Badger of Basra posted:What exactly did Barney frank do besides be mean to Bernie Sanders be a wall street shill who thinks that the idea that wall street is corrupt is 'crazy' but either way, having 2 of the 3 rules committee chairs be outwardly antagonistic towards one of the candidates (and by extension, their ideas) is kinda lovely don't you think?
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Jun 13, 2016 21:39
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Classic Comrade posted:be a wall street shill who thinks that the idea that wall street is corrupt is 'crazy' i couldn't care less tbh but that's why i don't have a job with the dnc
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Jun 13, 2016 21:42
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There are a lot of shills in American politics but I don't think it's a particularly recent development.
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Jun 13, 2016 21:42
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empireofcrime posted:Sorry to burst in on terrorism chat, not really another thread I can think of where this would fit: new england center-left types have a history of getting really lovely really quickly. dodd, frank, this guy, what's deval patrick been up to
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Jun 13, 2016 21:43
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lol oh he works for bain capital
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Jun 13, 2016 21:44
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empireofcrime posted:Sanders was right Get used to hearing this for the next four years you empty headed cheerleaders
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Jun 13, 2016 21:44
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NoticE I didn't say eight years
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Jun 13, 2016 21:45
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Toadvine posted:NoticE I didn't say eight years haha roast 'um toad vine
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Jun 13, 2016 21:46
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Badger of Basra posted:What exactly did Barney frank do besides be mean to Bernie Sanders Why would he need to do anything else? He denied our Prophet and thus must be ostracized. Never mind his decades of service to the Democratic party.
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Jun 13, 2016 21:56
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Badger of Basra posted:i couldn't care less tbh but that's why i don't have a job with the dnc if you couldn't care less why did you ask the question in the first place lmao
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Jun 13, 2016 22:01
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Peztopiary posted:Why would he need to do anything else? He denied our Prophet and thus must be ostracized. Never mind his decades of service to the Democratic party. Maybe it would help if Frank wasn't the cartoon definition of the sort of thing Sanders alludes to, with Frank saying things like ""Yes, I Took Bank Money. And It Made Me a Better Regulator." and his job on the board of directors for a top 50 bank right after he retired from Congress.
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Jun 13, 2016 22:03
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zen death robot posted:Purity tests as far as the eye can see, the good stuff Yep, not a democrat, usurper, this guy is a commie pinko and isn't a democrat, get your own party, thief, taking advantage of the DNC, party over country, good stuff right?
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Jun 13, 2016 22:09
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ZDR, your mockery hurts me. The only purity test for me is if someone has 100% maple syrup for blood. That's why Sanders is the only person on earth I can trust as my president and my confidante.
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Jun 13, 2016 22:18
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When does it go from "not wanting to elect corrupt politicians" to "imposing a purity test"? As soon as you disagree?
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Jun 13, 2016 22:22
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Reik posted:When does it go from "not wanting to elect corrupt politicians" to "imposing a purity test"? As soon as you disagree? lmao forreal so what is the correct amount of impurity, do you think? what amount of standards can we have for officials or anyone else before we become 'purists'?
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Jun 13, 2016 22:34
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Classic Comrade posted:if you couldn't care less why did you ask the question in the first place lmao i meant about the last part of your post, the people on the committee being mean to bernie i could care about other reasons frank is bad
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Jun 13, 2016 22:37
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zen death robot posted:Purity tests as far as the eye can see, the good stuff Do you regret closing the asylum and turning the patients loose at all ZDR?
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Jun 13, 2016 22:38
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zen death robot posted:Have a higher standard for corruption than "worked for a thing" So conflict of interest in financial markets and their regulation, just no big deal eh? It's so hard to figure out how the world got this corrupt sometimes.
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Jun 13, 2016 22:42
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zen death robot posted:Have a higher standard for corruption than "worked for a thing" "worked for a thing" and "was responsible for regulating the industry and as soon as his public sector job was finished he immediately got scooped up in a nice cushy private-sector job" are kind of different.
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Jun 13, 2016 22:46
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personally i don't think frank joining a bank made him corrupt, i think he already didn't care about forceful bank regulations. does this make him corrupt? i dunno. didn't appreciate this from him today either http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/06/former_massachusetts_rep_barne.html
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Jun 13, 2016 22:48
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Reik posted:"worked for a thing" and "was responsible for regulating the industry and as soon as his public sector job was finished he immediately got scooped up in a nice cushy private-sector job" are kind of different. Shh... if you're quiet enough you can hear the cognitive dissonance machines whirring
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Karl Barks posted:personally i don't think frank joining a bank made him corrupt, i think he already didn't care about forceful bank regulations. does this make him corrupt? i dunno. didn't appreciate this from him today either I mean, it's not like the banks were great guys while he was on watch. If the banks aren't messing up and everything is going great I agree forceful bank regulations seem unnecessary. That's not the case though, and we're already at a point again where the top 5 banks are too big to fail and whatever they did in office has shown to have zero effect.
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