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stinkles1112 posted:When was the last time a Hillary or Bernie campaign trail speech got broadcast uninterrupted on all three main cable news channels start-to-almost-finish? Serious question. They're just playing straight into Big Don's tiny hands, every day. The presumptive Republican nominee delivering a prepared speech about the largest mass shooting in US history and addressing his controversial campaign promises is probably safely "newsworthy." The constant rally speeches is another subject, obviously, but Hillary would get the same coverage if she called the media up and gave them a full day's prepping. Mostly Trump just gets a lot of media attention because he's a massive media whore who sets it up. But like the time to box him out passed a long time ago and now he's just one of the most important people in this country.
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Zelder posted:i hope this doesn't come across as victim blaming, but would any of the patrons having a gun in that nightclub realistically have changed the outcome? There was armed security. They were killed first because a guy with an AR-15 has a pretty huge advantage over some guys with handguns.
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He keeps saying there is no vetti process, but I was under the impression that the syrian refuges were screened really hard before being sent here. He is just making poo poo up again right?
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Errant Gin Monks posted:He keeps saying there is no vetti process, but I was under the impression that the syrian refuges were screened really hard before being sent here. He is just making poo poo up again right? They are. He's
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Zelder posted:i hope this doesn't come across as victim blaming, but would any of the patrons having a gun in that nightclub realistically have changed the outcome? iirc the first casualty was an armed, off-duty cop who was working security for the club It's Pride weekend, it's a crowded nightclub, it's dark with music thumping. There were reports from survivors that they heard "pops" and didn't realize someone was shooting until bodies started dropping. More of the patrons being armed wouldn't have helped.
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WampaLord posted:Okay, great, so you're not proposing any practical solutions at all, just "We should be more bigoted towards Islam." A lot of things that did help and fix a lot of social problems pissed off a lot of people at the time; the civil rights movement comes to mind. I'm guessing the thread will be pissed off at me for making that comparison, even though both (criticism of the Jim Crow south and criticism of Islam) involve trying to break the power of backwards, oppressive, patriarchal social institutions.
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Doctor Butts posted:Yo is anyone actually shouting down justified condemnation or is that a thing you say to make yourself feel like you're victimized? pretty much any time anyone complains about PC culture or the liberal hivemind what they're really saying is "my opinions are unpopular and people make fun of me and i'm bitter about that"
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Crain posted:They are. He's That's what I thought, it was especially aggravating since the guy who shot everyone was born in NYC and he keeps talking like he came straight from Afghanistan on a direct Hillary Flight to Orlando.
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Liberal_L33t posted:A lot of things that did help and fix a lot of social problems pissed off a lot of people at the time; the civil rights movement comes to mind. i dont know if pissed off is the word, more like amused at your really bad comparison - religious tenets are not cultural practices are not legal discrimination. you seem really confused, i suggest a break to cool off a bit from thinking about muslims
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"ask yourself who is really the friend of women and LGBT community, donald trump with actions or hillary clinton with her words?"
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lol he can't say lgbt "LBGT" "L..L GTB"
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Liberal_L33t posted:A lot of things that did help and fix a lot of social problems pissed off a lot of people at the time; the civil rights movement comes to mind. One of those was systemic legal oppression by a government, and the other is a religion you don't like.
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Reminder the dude was born in the US. Trump is a pathological liar and piece of poo poo.
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ell bee gee tee "Muslims enslave women and murder gays, don't let them in the country." direct quote holey moley
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STAC Goat posted:The presumptive Republican nominee delivering a prepared speech about the largest mass shooting in US history and addressing his controversial campaign promises is probably safely "newsworthy." The constant rally speeches is another subject, obviously, but Hillary would get the same coverage if she called the media up and gave them a full day's prepping. Mostly Trump just gets a lot of media attention because he's a massive media whore who sets it up. But like the time to box him out passed a long time ago and now he's just one of the most important people in this country. Ugh..you're totally right and gently caress I guess it just hasn't sunk in fully yet that he's legitimized now
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Pellisworth posted:political correctness gone mad That's what I thought I was gathering. I hope we get more information, because I could read that either as "bisexual gun nut was stupid and acting suspiciously" or "bisexual gun nut was going to shoot a bunch of people for a reason unrelated to homophobia."
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Errant Gin Monks posted:He keeps saying there is no vetti process, but I was under the impression that the syrian refuges were screened really hard before being sent here. He is just making poo poo up again right?
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Errant Gin Monks posted:That's what I thought, it was especially aggravating since the guy who shot everyone was born in NYC and he keeps talking like he came straight from Afghanistan on a direct Hillary Flight to Orlando. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Reminder the dude was born in the US. Trump is a pathological liar and piece of poo poo. The rhetoric he used for this was that the father/mother were allowed in as political refugees after we went into Afghanistan.
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Liberal_L33t posted:I mean, you all wouldn't have any problem declaring the average Ugandan who supports their government's "kill the gays" policy as an ignorant, backwards, patriarchal piece of poo poo, would you? They aren't white either. So why can't zealously regressive attitudes among muslims be condemned with the same fervor? Notice that nowhere in detailing what a shithole Uganda is about human rights did you need to mention religion. Perhaps because the issue isn't that they are Christian homophobes, it's that they are homophobes.
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"Muslims have to work with us, they have to turn them in". "They didn't turn him in."
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San Bernadino happened because PC culture prevented "all the people who knew" from reporting the dude because "racial profiling".
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Trump just said that if you know something about a terrorist attack, or knew anything at all about someone involved and you don't alert on them that you need to face criminal consequences.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i dont know if pissed off is the word, more like amused at your really bad comparison - religious tenets are not cultural practices are not legal discrimination. you seem really confused, i suggest a break to cool off a bit from thinking about muslims Yeah, the civil rights movement had nothing to do with challenging cultural practices, an end to legal discrimination was the one and only goal they cared about 
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"Famous World Wide apology tour"
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Liberal_L33t posted:Yeah, the civil rights movement had nothing to do with challenging cultural practices, an end to legal discrimination was the one and only goal they cared about so i guess we can put basic american history on the list of things you don't seem to know much about
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NippleFloss posted:Notice that nowhere in detailing what a shithole Uganda is about human rights did you need to mention religion. Perhaps because the issue isn't that they are Christian homophobes, it's that they are homophobes. So you think that if Uganda had undergone the same cultural changes as western Christian nations - if it had followed a similar path towards secularization and a primacy of individual rights over community standards - the "kill the gays" law would still have been passed? If so we'll have to agree to disagree. Christianity has everything to do with how much of a shithole that particular nation is.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so i guess we can put basic american history on the list of things you don't seem to know much about Out of curiosity would you describe housing covenants as "legal discrimination" or a cultural practice? If it's the former - despite the fact that these agreements were not created by any government body and were by their very nature created at the local, community level - then I think that explains a lot about why you and I can't come to an agreement about all of this.
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Liberal_L33t posted:If so we'll have to agree to disagree. Christianity has everything to do with how much of a shithole that particular nation is.
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Liberal_L33t posted:Out of curiosity would you describe housing covenants as "legal discrimination" or a cultural practice? If it's the former - despite the fact that these agreements were not created by any government body and were by their very nature created at the local, community level - then I think that explains a lot about why you and I can't come to an agreement about all of this. given that a housing covenant is a legal document enforcable by law i think that would count as legal discrimination, liberal leet. that is how words work if religion is th ecause of all bad things in the world then how do you explain your posts?
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Have you guys ever thought about, despite everything we're doing to protect the rights of Muslims, that they might actually be the bad guys? Makes you think.
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fool_of_sound posted:One of those was systemic legal oppression by a government, and the other is a religion you don't like. Oppression doesn't need to be conducted by a government to be systematic or worthy of action being taken against it.
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The best weapon against terrorism is true egalitarianism. You only make more enemies when you deny people equal rights.
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Liberal_L33t posted:So you think that if Uganda had undergone the same cultural changes as western Christian nations - if it had followed a similar path towards secularization and a primacy of individual rights over community standards - the "kill the gays" law would still have been passed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_..._expression.svg There's a lot more to "culture" than "Christianity", hon.
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stinkles1112 posted:Ugh..you're totally right and gently caress I guess it just hasn't sunk in fully yet that he's legitimized now Its understandable. Its a scary new world.
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Liberal_L33t posted:Yeah, the civil rights movement had nothing to do with challenging cultural practices, an end to legal discrimination was the one and only goal they cared about Most of the victims of Muslim violence are other Muslims. So in this civil rights analogy the black people are oppressing other black people. Are you also one of those people who think that "black culture" is inherently violent and needs to be renounced?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:given that a housing covenant is a legal document enforcable by law i think that would count as legal discrimination, liberal leet. that is how words work religion isn't the cause of all bad things in the world; just the cause of more bad things than any other human institution. kind of like cigarettes vs. fatty foods in the incidence of heart disease.
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Liberal_L33t posted:religion isn't the cause of all bad things in the world; just the cause of more bad things than any other human institution. kind of like cigarettes vs. fatty foods in the incidence of heart disease. Incorrect, that would actually be "othering" or "tribalism", but please try again. edit: I'm also still curious how Japan's non-recognition of same sex relationships is caused by religion
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Liberal_L33t posted:religion isn't the cause of all bad things in the world; just the cause of more bad things than any other human institution. kind of like cigarettes vs. fatty foods in the incidence of heart disease. Sure buddy, what else did you read about in Dick Dawkin's book?
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Liberal_L33t posted:religion isn't the cause of all bad things in the world; just the cause of more bad things than any other human institution. kind of like cigarettes vs. fatty foods in the incidence of heart disease. i'm pointing out that for someone who gets so angry about religion your posts are real bad. worse than homophobia. you also don't seem to understand many of the things you talk about. it's almost like you're more upset than anything else and you're just sort of childishly lashing out without thinking about any of the terms you use like legal discrimination etc.
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Liberal_L33t posted:religion isn't the cause of all bad things in the world; just the cause of more bad things than any other human institution. Is bad posting at least a close second?
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