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I don't care for that art, and I don't trust Abnett, but I'd like to read a book with those characters back together again. I might have to give it a couple issue trial.
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Jun 14, 2016 00:59
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Brett Booth's art is a little off for me, yeah, but he can tell a story. This'll be worth a look.
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Jun 14, 2016 01:21
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That's the New 52/Morrison depiction of Jor El and baby Clark's rocket. Are they somehow merging the two characters together now?
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Jun 14, 2016 01:42
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Nah, it's not like post-Crisis Superman's rocket hasn't gone through like four or five makeovers in the first place 
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Jun 14, 2016 02:06
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Teenage Fansub posted:
Some of the art is a bit spotty, but I am interested in how this will go. It will be good seeing this team back together.
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Jun 14, 2016 02:35
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Man, that is a magnificent preview. I will definitely be reading the gently caress out of Superman. Titans looks fun enough to give it a shot. I really like "My name is Wally West. I'm the fastest man alive." gently caress you, Barry. Plus it has Nightwing in it, so I am physically compelled to read it.
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Jun 14, 2016 03:27
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:That's the New 52/Morrison depiction of Jor El and baby Clark's rocket. The rocket looks the same, but the parents aren't on model with Morrison's issue.  I dunno if it's saying anything. e: Looking here http://comicvine.gamespot.com/jor-el/4005-9561/images/ it seems like green with a sun emblem is particularly silver age. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 03:54
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Teenage Fansub posted:Superman #1 preview. The last page seems to tactically put shadows over his midsection. Are they trying to cover up that Clark isnt wearing his trunks of power over his costume any more? Because I think the cat is out of the bag on that one.
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Jun 14, 2016 07:55
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Was it Joe Kelly who had Lois go off on Clark for how the heat-vision shaving trick always makes their bathroom smell like burned hair? I thought that was funny.
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Jun 14, 2016 10:18
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You know how burned hair smells like ozone? His smells like Krypton.
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Jun 14, 2016 11:03
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https://twitter.com/MarkWaid/status/742733250657812480
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Jun 14, 2016 16:01
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 Pretty cute variant although Bengal is such a weird choice given the book is being promoted as being darker than the old RHATO and RH/A I'm digging it though. The best part is not Handsome Squidward helmet!
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Jun 14, 2016 17:53
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You're not expecting any levity with Bizarro on the team? Hal & GLC interviews and art http://comicvine.gamespot.com/articles/robert-venditti-discusses-hal-jordans-new-role-in-/1100-155642/ http://www.newsarama.com/29723-venditti-on-hal-jordan-green-lantern-corps-unexpected-surprises-coming.html BTW, this new Zelda is very exciting. You can make Link skip 
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Jun 14, 2016 18:44
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I can't imagine how they're getting Bizarro to work as part of a group. Artemis and Jason Todd seems like a match made in my nightmares, though.
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Jun 14, 2016 18:50
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Teenage Fansub posted:You're not expecting any levity with Bizarro on the team? I know there will be some degree of levity in the title, is just that Bengal's style is more cartoony and creates somehow of a clash with the concept of the Dark Trinity. The body language he used on the cover makes me think of a Saturday Morning Cartoon or something. Is not bad just unexpected. Mateo Scalera's cover is more what I was expecting for the variant. 
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Jun 14, 2016 19:20
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A team-up comprising Red Hood, Bizarro and Artemis feels more appropriate for a comedy series where they're trying to destroy their arch-nemeses, but they're really, really bad at it.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:27
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Red Hood doesn't really have an arch-nemesis though. He's more just whiny and "WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME" irt Bruce Wayne/Batman, over Bizarro/Artemis' clear hatred (whether justified or not) of Superman/Wonder Woman. It's part of why Red Hood as a character fundamentally doesn't work, because he has no real reason to exist. He has nothing that drives him or sort of guiding ethos, so it makes all the times that he's a douchebaggy oval office (which is literally all the time) come off even worse because he's just sorta there. I'd even sorta take a reinterpretation of the character where he's decided to take down the Batman in revenge for DitF, even though at this point "Villain who has personal vendetta and knows who Batman is but wants to be the one to personally kill him or whatever" comprises a full like 3/4 of his rogues, because at least it gives Jason Todd a direction or a goal. As it currently stands his whole raison d'etre is "Be a total rear end in a top hat and whine about how awful Bruce Wayne is while constantly responding to his call whenever an event happens". He's got no purpose.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:34
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He's like a BSS poster with a mask.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:35
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All the robins represent some facet of Batman. Jason is the grimdark antihero side that already gets overexposed a lot as it is when it's actually Batman.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:37
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I think Jason Todd suffers more from the fact that he was the first Robin after Dick and was DC very much trying to make an "anti-Dick", but they went overboard and turned him into a smarmy whiny combative rear end in a top hat. And I've mentioned before how Jason Todd is defined as "The Robin Who Failed", but that extends to the metatextual considering how Death in the Family was DC basically outright admitting that Jason Todd was a failure to DC fans. It's also why he should've stayed dead because he was killed off not only as a good, powerful character beat for Bruce, but because it was DC giving up and telling their fan base that they were right and Jason Todd just didn't work. He's defined as a failure, not only in-universe but out of it, and it really does make me wonder why they revived him when his death is his most defining thing about him, which only happened because everyone hated the character so much.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:48
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Yo, Artemis doesn't hate Wonder Woman. She hasn't been introduced in the new 52 universe but in the old one they were rivals at worst and more often allies. She's only on that team because she was the volatile, brutal Azrael style replacement for Diana. Honestly Azrael would fit better on that team than Jason Todd but gently caress it, maybe it'll keep him out of the other Batman books.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:49
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Toxxupation posted:I think Jason Todd suffers more from the fact that he was the first Robin after Dick and was DC very much trying to make an "anti-Dick", but they went overboard and turned him into a smarmy whiny combative rear end in a top hat. And I've mentioned before how Jason Todd is defined as "The Robin Who Failed", but that extends to the metatextual considering how Death in the Family was DC basically outright admitting that Jason Todd was a failure to DC fans. It's also why he should've stayed dead because he was killed off not only as a good, powerful character beat for Bruce, but because it was DC giving up and telling their fan base that they were right and Jason Todd just didn't work. He's defined as a failure, not only in-universe but out of it, and it really does make me wonder why they revived him when his death is his most defining thing about him, which only happened because everyone hated the character so much. Are you familiar with Jason's actual appearances from back then? Because Jason is nowhere near to be the "anti-Dick" you're claiming him to be. Even if we count pre and post crisis versions as different characters they had more similarities with Dick than differences (with the pre crisis version being Dick but in blonde) The unpleasantness of Jason as Robin is part of the revisionism authors have embarked over time to clean Bruce from any responsibility on his death. Jason was actually a grade-A student, loyal and obedient kid for the most part of his career. It was not only until Starlin came on board as writer that he did his best to make him unlikeable since he was categorically opposed at the idea of Batman having a sidekick (he even went so far to pitch Jason dying from AIDS)
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Jun 14, 2016 22:59
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Didn't Jason throw a thug off a roof to his death. Grade-A stuff.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:24
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Madkal posted:Didn't Jason throw a thug off a roof to his death. Grade-A stuff. To be fair, I think it's left ambiguous whether he did or not. He runs ahead of Batman to chase the guy, and when Batman arrives, the guy has fallen off the balcony and Jason says that he stumbled and fell while trying to get away. Like, it's implied that it's probable or possible Jason did it, but the main point of the scene is to introduce the doubt and tension between Batman and Robin.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:27
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Madkal posted:Didn't Jason throw a thug off a roof to his death. Grade-A stuff. Revisionism! Also known as: the only thing making Jason's tenure as Robin remotely interesting. Read The Cult or For The Man Who Has Everything. That's Jason as Robin in those stories, but it literally does not make any difference. Jason was so much like Dick his existence was completely pointless until writers started making him a volatile, angry street urchin. Android Blues posted:To be fair, I think it's left ambiguous whether he did or not. He runs ahead of Batman to chase the guy, and when Batman arrives, the guy has fallen off the balcony and Jason says that he stumbled and fell while trying to get away. The reader is 100% meant to assume Jason is lying there. The build up of that scene lasted issues, as Jason becomes increasingly enraged at the amount of red tape and laws preventing them from taking this guy down, and he blows up when it comes out that the dude is basically going to walk. Just reading that scene like a script it's kind of ambiguous but in the context of the story it's like, yeah Jason just fuckin killed that dude. purple death ray fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 23:28
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I think a Robin who comes from a background of deprivation and uncertainty, who is rebellious and reluctant to trust his super-rich, controlling mentor-dad, is a really great idea. Sadly it probably wasn't executed well on balance in Jason's case, but the solution to that was to revamp the character, not have the Joker murder Batman's child sidekick as a publicity stunt.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:32
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Travis343 posted:The reader is 100% meant to assume Jason is lying there. The build up of that scene lasted issues, as Jason becomes increasingly enraged at the amount of red tape and laws preventing them from taking this guy down, and he blows up when it comes out that the dude is basically going to walk. Just reading that scene like a script it's kind of ambiguous but in the context of the story it's like, yeah Jason just fuckin killed that dude. That's fair, yeah. It's been a long time for me. e: although I still do think it's kind of important that, while the reader may be certain of it, Bruce isn't, can't be, doesn't want to be, etc.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:33
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Are you familiar with Jason's actual appearances from back then? He's introduced stealing hubcaps off the Batmobile. The whole point of the character is that he's a petty thief subjected to childhood trauma and unlike Dick, who Bruce Wayne saved immediately and made his ward literal seconds after watching his parents die tragically in front of him, stewed with the trauma of his childhood until it overwhelmed him. Bruce tries to do the whole Dick thing with him but it's too late. Kinda the whole point of the character is that he's meant to be a reaction to Dick Grayson, but he's suffered too much to be effective. Madkal posted:Didn't Jason throw a thug off a roof to his death. Grade-A stuff.  Android Blues posted:To be fair, I think it's left ambiguous whether he did or not. He runs ahead of Batman to chase the guy, and when Batman arrives, the guy has fallen off the balcony and Jason says that he stumbled and fell while trying to get away. It's pretty definitive.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:36
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Jason Todd should have been more effective at tormenting Batman and family than he is. He was trained by Bruce and the League of Assasins and is constantly made into a chump. Todd should have been The Hush reveal for real and been the cause of Batman's "death" by sacrifice in a role reversal of "A death in the family" leading to Todd seeking redemption because in the end he realizes Bruce did love him like a son. I wrote this for you D_T. No stealing my fanfic though.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:36
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To be clear, I'm not a particular fan of Jason Todd and think Red Hood is hot garbage. Just a shame about Death in the Family, because I think the character did have potential, and even if he'd been a total dud with no hope of ever being written better, that was a low way to write him out.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:37
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Android Blues posted:To be clear, I'm not a particular fan of Jason Todd and think Red Hood is hot garbage. Just a shame about Death in the Family, because I think the character did have potential, and even if he'd been a total dud with no hope of ever being written better, that was a low way to write him out. Although it did lead to one of my absolute favorite moments in Morrison's Batman, where Jason tries to kill Dick and Damian via the use of a 1-800 number.
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Android Blues posted:To be clear, I'm not a particular fan of Jason Todd and think Red Hood is hot garbage. Just a shame about Death in the Family, because I think the character did have potential, and even if he'd been a total dud with no hope of ever being written better, that was a low way to write him out. They basically ended up utilizing the elements of Jason Todd that worked in the subsequent Robins. The irony is that Jason Todd was the worst Robin, and a bad character, and Red Hood is total garbage, but ends up having arguably the best legacy - Tim Drake has the more combative, willing-to-question-authority elements of Jason Todd while not being a total prick about it (so a neat balance from Dick Grayson Robin being Batman's flunkie) and Damian Wayne has the concept of a traumatic childhood that Batman was too late to prevent from having a significant impact on his life, and the rage and predilection for murder, but it makes sense when that's the only thing Damian's ever known is murder and conflict. It's also the fact that Damian is a very young boy when first introduced (and Bruce is an obscenely terrible both father and mentor to him), so we finally see him become less of a sociopathic prick when he's Dick Grayson's ward, over Bruce Wayne's. Basically what I'm saying is Damian Wayne is the best Robin and Jason Todd done right, and the best and most sympathetic parts to Red Hood are when he's paired with Red Robin, because Tim Drake has that rebellious edge that Dick and Bruce don't where he can understand and relate to Jason's methods even though he personally abhors them. The pairing of Red Robin and Red Hood makes sense, honestly, and I always bought the idea that Tim would be friendly to Jason and try to be the most altruistically nice to him out of everyone in the Bat-Family.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:49
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Travis343 posted:Revisionism! Actually Robin has some great moments in both Cult and the Man Who has Everything (I think he was responsible for getting the plant off Superman) but those moments could have been served just as well by having Dick there and there wasn't anything different in the way he did things. I actually didn't mind Todd in Under the Hood by Winnick and WInnick did manage to make him a compelling character with pathos (though any good will Winnick got for that was shat down the toilet by his brief Batman and Robin arc with Todd being the most awesome person ever!) but after that DC really didn't know what to do with the character.
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Madkal posted:Actually Unless I'm reading that weird, I think you just repeated what he said. Toxxupation posted:Damian Wayne is the best Robin and Jason Todd done right, and the best and most sympathetic parts to Red Hood are when he's paired with Red Robin, because Tim Drake has that rebellious edge that Dick and Bruce don't where he can understand and relate to Jason's methods even though he personally abhors them. The pairing of Red Robin and Red Hood makes sense, honestly, and I always bought the idea that Tim would be friendly to Jason and try to be the most altruistically nice to him out of everyone in the Bat-Family. First, Damian is not the best Robin. He's the 2nd or 3rd. Tim is the best Robin. Second, I think it's weird that you would think Tim would be friendly to Jason. I can see that he would be nice since that's his default way of handling people, but Jason has tried to kill Tim multiple times. Tim is another reminder that Batman just continued business as usual after he died. He didn't stop the Robins, he didn't kill Joker, he didn't hang up the cowl. In Jason's mind, everything about Batman after Death in the Family is a brutal reminder that the war keeps on going. I have to imagine that until you reach like a few years of Red Hood being back, he would try to kill Tim immediately upon every encounter. Ultimately though, you were spot on in what you said earlier. Jason Todd should be dead. So should Barry and Hal, but that's a different story. Red Hood existing beyond Under the Red Hood never has and never will work.
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Madkal posted:Actually Robin has some great moments in both Cult and the Man Who has Everything Does he? I mean, he might, but I read that a few months ago and only remember him looking at Wonder Woman's rear end.
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Jun 15, 2016 00:46
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Honestly Jason Todd has only ever been good in his original comeback story (which got an even better movie adaptation) and in the prequel The Lost Days. Jason was the only thing Judd Winick ever did right, and the character got progressively worse after he was taken out of Winick's hands. I happen to like the character and the concepts surrounding him, but it's a drat shame that no writer ever seems to write him in a way that feels satisfying compared to his revival story. The closest it got was that very short sequence Genevieve Valentine did for B&R Eternal with him and Tim together at a bar.
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Jun 15, 2016 00:48
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SonicRulez posted:
To be fair I'm going off this page which is one of if not the only time I've ever seen Jason Todd come across as a human being.  (This is from the Night of the Owls tie-in for RHATO.) Also Damian Wayne is 100% the best Robin.
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Madkal posted:Actually Robin has some great moments in both Cult and the Man Who has Everything (I think he was responsible for getting the plant off Superman) but those moments could have been served just as well by having Dick there and there wasn't anything different in the way he did things. Yeah that's really what I meant - Jason was not a distinct character the way Tim was when he debuted as Robin. You could go through those comics and slightly change Robin's hairstyle, claim it was Dick, and not have anything feel out of character or unusual at all.
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SonicRulez posted:Unless I'm reading that weird, I think you just repeated what he said. It was my mistake. I was in agreement but kind of misread his statement. Toxxupation posted:
Tim Drake for life! It's funny that people also hold Dick Grayson in high regard but he was before my time so I don't think I ever read a Dick Grayson as Robin comic growing up.
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