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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
| Total: | 2130 votes | ||
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/742722487167946752 Brutal.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:31
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It's possible that social media may help. Provided no state entity can get a hold over it and that private entities remain too interested in short term profit to enforce ideological purity over it, it may prove a useful counterforce to the organs of state propaganda.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:32
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/742722487167946752 (EU referendum poll: Remain: 40% (-1) Leave: 47% (+4) (via TNS, online) in case it gets deleted because of embargo)
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Jun 14, 2016 15:32
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Tesseraction posted:What you're describing is more false consciousness, which is something that needs to be fought, but the question is how to defeat a propaganda state. apparently the propaganda state defeats itself by running the economy into the ground, impoverishing almost everyone in the country then hamhandedly trying to rig a referendum called for the sole purpose of settling fractures within the ruling parties of that state.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:33
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:apparently the propaganda state defeats itself by running the economy into the ground, impoverishing almost everyone in the country then hamhandedly trying to rig a referendum called for the sole purpose of settling fractures within the ruling parties of that state. Which is ironic because probably if the Tories hadn't been huffing their Tory presses' farts so much they probably wouldn't believe they were competent enough to run this campaign.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:35
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Unfortunately that doesn't really defeat the propaganda state it just illustrates that the organs of propaganda aren't directly under the control of the stewards of the state and that the state is somewhat subject to them, rather than the other way around. It's still a victory for propaganda because that's what's created the leave momentum.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:37
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I would absolutely love if this makes the Tories realise "oh, poo poo, maybe we should stop the media being completely unaccountable"
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Jun 14, 2016 15:38
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VileLL posted:imagine being one of the 5% of ukip voters not voting leave It will be their MEPs who don't want the gravy train to stop
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Jun 14, 2016 15:39
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OwlFancier posted:Unfortunately that doesn't really defeat the propaganda state it just illustrates that the organs of propaganda aren't directly under the control of the stewards of the state and that the state is somewhat subject to them, rather than the other way around. It's still a victory for propaganda because that's what's created the leave momentum. yeah you can't really beat the house I think if remain didn't turn the dial up to 11 from the very start they may have made more impression now with their forecasting of economic doom. Now they've broken all the levers they had to pull and have to just hope that at least some Brexiters lose their bottle on the day.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:40
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Unlikely, because whoever survives the result is going to be favored by the media and the tories have always relied on the latent bias of the media to support them. Plus, just letting capital do whatever and coasting by on the occasional bone is literally how the tory government works, so they're not going to start going full authoritarian any time soon.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:41
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JFairfax posted:It will be their MEPs who don't want the gravy train to stop £70k for doing absolute gently caress all is a sweet gig
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Jun 14, 2016 15:42
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I'm sure Nige's arm gets very tired lifting all of those pints.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:43
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VileLL posted:imagine being one of the 5% of ukip voters not voting leave Perhaps it refers to people who voted UKIP in the last election and have changed their minds?
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Jun 14, 2016 15:44
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VileLL posted:imagine being one of the 5% of ukip voters not voting leave I know a UKIP member who is voting remain. I think he does it just because he's contrarian.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:46
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Priti Patel makes me laugh, campaigning on an immigration platform with people who given the chance would happily have her deported to a country she has no ties to on grounds of looking vaguely foreign.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:58
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What do those social class codes mean? Can someone whip up a crib sheet?
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Jun 14, 2016 16:00
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Are you still confident of a Remain victory flaps?
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Jun 14, 2016 16:01
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Shouldn't really be that surprising to anyone paying attention to UK politics since the 70s though. While not as overt we've had our own version of the Southern Strategy in place at least since Heath and really firmly cemented since 79, and the Tories have long since perfected the art of managing to get people to vote completely opposite their own interests.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:03
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Regarding the immigrants pushing down wages discussion. The worries around immigration are personal and Remain are mostly answering them impersonally, is what I'm getting at. It's really noticeable once you start listening for it and it's sort of unsurprising that it doesn't seem to be working.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:06
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Are you still confident of a Remain victory flaps? Less so but I still believe the result will be Remain.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:14
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A lot of noisy idiots are shouting leave, and to avoid having to deal with them a lot of remain supporters are staying quiet. It's the shy Tory effect all over again
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Jun 14, 2016 16:17
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At least these current polls will help keep the Remain turnout as high as possible.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:18
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Total Meatlove posted:A lot of noisy idiots are shouting leave, and to avoid having to deal with them a lot of remain supporters are staying quiet. It's the shy Tory effect all over again It was a bit like that in the Scottish referendum too. Not saying that the Scottish independence voters were idiots, but if you went by who was loudest on social media and in the streets it would have been a huge Yes victory.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:23
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hookerbot 5000 posted:It was a bit like that in the Scottish referendum too. Not saying that the Scottish independence voters were idiots, but if you went by who was loudest on social media and in the streets it would have been a huge Yes victory. It was the old people that hosed us then and it'll be the old people that gently caress us this time.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:33
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hookerbot 5000 posted:It was a bit like that in the Scottish referendum too. Not saying that the Scottish independence voters were idiots, but if you went by who was loudest on social media and in the streets it would have been a huge Yes victory. This is what I have thought all along, we are getting too squeaky bum time though.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:36
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Coohoolin posted:It was the old people that hosed us then and it'll be the old people that gently caress us this time. The generational gap is quite infuriating. That a decision that will massively impact the future of young people in this country might go against them because Gladys and Wilfred saw a foreign on the bus and got perturbed. It's more infuriating that that's enough to get Gladys and Wilfred into the voting booth and not the people whose futures will be impacted. gently caress olds. gently caress kids. gently caress everyone.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:40
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Baron Corbyn posted:gently caress olds. gently caress kids. gently caress everyone. Tory spotted.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:43
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TNS have gone into more detail on the poll, saying the 7 point difference is a result of their turnout estimations (assuming young people won't vote, people that didn't vote last GE won't vote etc) and they think in general opinion the country is almost evenly split e: I feel bad for the young people trying to convince their retired elderly relatives to vote remain so their jobs are safe who will be treated with casual disrespect and told they are naive children Phoon fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 16:44
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Jippa posted:This is what I have thought all along, we are getting too squeaky bum time though. The difference was, whilst the polls did narrow there was only ever a couple that showed any lead for yes in the indyref. At this point, the polls consistently show a substantial and solid lead for Brexit.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:46
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EU is the oil baby, UK is Norman Reedus.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:49
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Pesmerga posted:Priti Patel makes me laugh, campaigning on an immigration platform with people who given the chance would happily have her deported to a country she has no ties to on grounds of looking vaguely foreign. Maybe she'll be able to get a job with that Tobacco company she lobbied for that gives it's workers £15/Month.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:50
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The Bloomberg poll aggregator shows 45.9% Remain to 45.5% Leave. They claim to weight the polls by credibility and historical accuracy, but we all know how well that's gone.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:51
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Phoon posted:people that didn't vote last GE won't vote Silly of them, I think people are more concerned with voting to save their country than voting for the next lot to ruin it that little bit more.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:52
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Zephro posted:The worries around immigration are personal and Remain are mostly answering them impersonally, is what I'm getting at. It's really noticeable once you start listening for it and it's sort of unsurprising that it doesn't seem to be working. What is it you can say though? There's a lot of polish people in (for example) Boston in Lincolnshire and they're unhappy. What can you say? They don't like it, but there's no answer to it.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:56
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Pissflaps posted:At least these current polls will help keep the Remain turnout as high as possible. The conspiracist in me wonders if  they are pushing falsified polls showing bloated support for the "bad" side in order to achieve exactly this, just to be sureI mean when you have 999 centres calling themselves and answering their own calls just to get the response time averages down, it's not beyond the pale that these thousands of twitter poll companies are just organs of various interests making poo poo up wholesale But on the other hand, maybe I'm just being optimistic and rationalising the gently caress out of these polls? hug me
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Jun 14, 2016 16:57
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I think the polls are all bogus tbh because nobody knows how to estimate turnout for a referendum of this kind. All we can say is the country seems roughly evenly split on the issue itself, the old are for leave, the young for remain
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Jun 14, 2016 17:05
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Phoon posted:I think the polls are all bogus tbh because nobody knows how to estimate turnout for a referendum of this kind. All we can say is the country seems roughly evenly split on the issue itself, the old are for leave, the young for remain Yeah that is the only (honest) explanation for the massive disparity between polls, that they're all doing different weightings for turnout.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:07
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FinalGamer posted:The BBC finally asked the Vote Leave campaign about their spending plans. To me that exchange reads a lot more like "oh god I didn't think anyone was actually going to ask about the money, it was a drat lie so I can't promise to spend money we're not actually going to have" He knows fine drat well what's going to happen to the money, most of it would have to go on replacing lost EU subsidies. Probably all the rest (maybe more) would get eaten up in the process of leaving, and thereafter by less efficient trading systems. e/ it's like saying "look how much you spend on your car, sell it off and you could buy ~anything~" *ignores that you still need to get to work somehow, and bus tickets aren't that cheap* 
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Jun 14, 2016 17:10
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The conspiracist in me wonders if Surely that'd be the double-edged sword of demoralizing potential remain voters too?
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Jun 14, 2016 17:11
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I hope gangs of youths terrify every elderly person going anywhere near a polling station. And in general. Also looking forward to me saying "So glad we voted No, guys" to every horrible news story to have two votes behind it!
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Jun 14, 2016 17:11
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