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Zelder posted:yeah and i gotta get a new phone. who steals a phone? very annoying. a bit shake and afraid to go outside right now, but that'll fade with time. Up until somewhat recently, the carriers were perfectly happy to activate a phone that was reported stolen. It would not surprise me if some of them still did. Or the mugger didn't get the memo.
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STAC Goat posted:Honestly, that just makes me sympathize with the deer. You go, Bambi. You may be almost dead but maybe you can still ruin that fucker's day and make him work for this. Maybe he'll have a heart attack and you'll be even. And while I hope your father lives a long and wonderful life I sympathize with that deer's desire for revenge. Deer do not desire revenge. Deer desire plants to eat, especially the ones you spent two weeks digging holes to plant god drat it But yeah, I don't hunt myself but I've got little sympathy for our friends from family cervidae, they're as brainless, obnoxious and numerous as squirrels but in skittish 120-pound bodies.
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Oh, I live near plenty of woods. I know deer are stupid assholes who seem to actively seek out moving cars and make all the worse possible choices. But I can't help but laugh at the mental image of a hunter shooting a deer, pumping his fist, and then watching it run off past the horizon.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:15
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Jarmak posted:Yeah it does, raw number of deaths don't mean jack poo poo. You aren't even making an argument. If the supporting evidence for firearms as self-defense is to save lives, you need to actually demonstrate that. In this case, you have no done so at all. They didn't box the shooter in, he took hostages fully expecting to get boxed in. This was his final stand, he hand no intention of walking away from this event. Your argument for firearms helping to save lives has zero basis in reality in this case
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Jun 14, 2016 16:17
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, this fantasy scenario just ends with like 3 shootings in a month and the club shutting down. Not to mention it would make hook-ups really hosed up. Even when you absolutely don't intend to use it, when the other person finds out you have a gun things will get really uncomfortable.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:17
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:UK and other countries have successful gun control because private ownership of guns is basically just banned though (yes I know there are various exceptions). Once again I'm past the latter and while I can see reasonable argument to be made for the other members of the bill of rights I am hard pressed to do anything but laugh at the point of the second. If gun ownership advocates want to make an argument that doesn't rely on the 2nd amendment they're free to do so but the time for that being some sort of discussion ender no longer is moving to me. Unfortunately for them arguments like "good guy with gun" ring really loving hollow and unproven so then it's just sophistry about how they have a right to kill people more easily.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:18
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/AymanM/status/742736556239290368 my condolences to the poor writer who has to condense "closeted gay/bi hardline muslim security guard with history of mental issues and guns kills 50 at gay nightclub he was regular at" into a headline that your brain won't instinctively skip past as being bullshit
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Jun 14, 2016 16:19
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A lovely Reporter posted:Oh god, I don't mean I actually do that stuff, it's gross as hell. I just don't give them poo poo for it. Hell, I like my hot dogs boiled and plain with lightly toasted buns. I don't eat hot dogs or hot dog buns. I eat proper sausage sandwiches. Good sausage on good toasted bread. Usually with some sauce.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:21
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CommieGIR posted:If the supporting evidence for firearms as self-defense is to save lives, you need to actually demonstrate that. They absolutely boxed the shooter in, they shot at him and forced him to retreat into the bathroom where he became pinned. I'm pretty sure having him pinned in the bathroom where they could evacuate wounded and the remaining people from the rest of the club instead of letting him be free to roam around finishing off wounded people and killing all the people trapped in the other bathroom counts as "saving lives" you dumb motherfucker.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/AymanM/status/742736556239290368 I would hope that she didn't know what he was planning to do and not report it to the police. This isn't Trumps KGB esque call for eternal suspicion of everyone this is being partly culpable.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:UK and other countries have successful gun control because private ownership of guns is basically just banned though (yes I know there are various exceptions). I'm not in a position to do too much googling right now, but didn't the UK have a substantially lower violent crime rate than the US--to include gun stuff, but everything else too--even BEFORE the bans went into effect? The really frustrating part for me is that even if we managed to get sensible restrictions (wait periods, registration, etc) we'd still have a clusterfuck without fixing the poverty, and especially the concentration of poverty. You can't feasibly kill fifty people with a knife all in one go, and that's a great start, but the country's inner cities can kill way more than that piecemeal. Sidenote: what will be the thread's reaction be if meaningful gun control is finally achieved through exploiting fear of armed black people, like how California banned open carry? : suicide:
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Jun 14, 2016 16:28
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Jarmak posted:They absolutely boxed the shooter in, they shot at him and forced him to retreat into the bathroom where he became pinned. I'm pretty sure having him pinned in the bathroom where they could evacuate wounded and the remaining people from the rest of the club instead of letting him be free to roam around finishing off wounded people and killing all the people trapped in the other bathroom counts as "saving lives" you dumb motherfucker. The gun giveth, the gun taketh away. All Hail The Gun.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I would hope that she didn't know what he was planning to do and not report it to the police. This isn't Trumps KGB esque call for eternal suspicion of everyone this is being partly culpable. Next you'll be calling to put all Muslims in camps 
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put all muslims in summer camps, it's a fun time and a great way to spend a week.
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Jarmak posted:They absolutely boxed the shooter in, they shot at him and forced him to retreat into the bathroom where he became pinned. I'm pretty sure having him pinned in the bathroom where they could evacuate wounded and the remaining people from the rest of the club instead of letting him be free to roam around finishing off wounded people and killing all the people trapped in the other bathroom counts as "saving lives" you dumb motherfucker. Somehow, in the course of the off-duty police officer responding, he killed 50 people. The off-duty officer was on scene. So how did he manage to kill 50 people with the off duty officer responding? Hm?
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The GOPe is uh, not handling the Trump speech well: https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/742740168470372352 https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/742739912219365376 https://twitter.com/nielslesniewski/status/742740587485495296 https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/742739777687027717
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fits my needs posted:Next you'll be calling to put all Muslims in camps I hope your joking because in this thread its hard to tell.
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Zelder posted:my condolences to the poor writer who has to condense "closeted gay/bi hardline muslim security guard with history of mental issues and guns kills 50 at gay nightclub he was regular at" into a headline that your brain won't instinctively skip past as being bullshit Entirely possible that he went to the club previously so he could case it for his planned shooting, rather than because he wanted to pick up guys.
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Joementum posted:Entirely possible that he went to the club previously so he could case it for his planned shooting, rather than because he wanted to pick up guys. Current story is that he has been there multiple times over several years, and also showed up on gay dating apps. Whether he was just closeted or he was casing victims/the joint over a long period, nobody knows.
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Let's walk through this scenario: you're at a club, carrying a gun, and you hear/see/sense that there's an active shooter at the location. You head for the restroom to shelter in place because you're not going to proactively hunt for the shooter, you open the door and ... ... the person that got to the restroom first shoots you, because they know there's an active shooter and you're holding a gun. Or you're the person already hiding in the restroom, and someone comes in, and how are you supposed to know if they're the "bad guy" in this situation?
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Joementum posted:Entirely possible that he went to the club previously so he could case it for his planned shooting, rather than because he wanted to pick up guys. Shes been repeatedly referred to as his ex I think it's reasonable to think that "take me to this club so I can seethe at them" is equally a grounds for ending the relationship as an interest in the patrons.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:39
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Well if that story is true it explains why the wife was not cooperating initially
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Joementum posted:Entirely possible that he went to the club previously so he could case it for his planned shooting, rather than because he wanted to pick up guys. Apparently it was over a three year period. Thats a hell of a lot of planning.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Let's walk through this scenario: you're at a club, carrying a gun, and you hear/see/sense that there's an active shooter at the location. You head for the restroom to shelter in place because you're not going to proactively hunt for the shooter, you open the door and ... please don't indulge their fantasies. the facts are that 49-50 people died regardless of "good guys with guns." could more have died? sure, but 0 people should have died in the first place.
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"if you think about it, without guns, even more than 50 people could have died. Lives were saved," says man when asked about the 133rd mass shooting of 2016. Not an onion excerpt, just a poster advocating for more guns.
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Gum posted:Apparently it was over a three year period. Thats a hell of a lot of planning. Yeah, some people are really hosed up.
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"Nominee? Nah, we're not nominating anyone this year."
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DaveWoo posted:"Nominee? Nah, we're not nominating anyone this year." https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/742743475356086272
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Joementum posted:Entirely possible that he went to the club previously so he could case it for his planned shooting, rather than because he wanted to pick up guys. He was in deeper than The Americans, in that case.
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Oh and the Russian government's hacking teams have been spying on the DNC's email and chat system for months and also stole... opposition research on Donald Trump. Isn't that interesting with how much Putin "loves" Trump and how close his campaign manager guy is to the Russians.
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Prison Allegedly Locked A Man In Solitary Until He Let Them Cut Open His Penisquote:The prison's alleged decision to subject Mr. King to this treatment until he allowed his penis to be cut open grew out of prison officials' apparent disapproval of a decision King made while he was still a free man. In 2008, more than three years before his incarceration, King tattooed his penis and had marbles implanted in it because he and his late fiancée believed that doing so would enhance their sexual pleasure. It's not the sort of decision most people would make, but it was his right to make it. King says that he told the processing officer about the implants when he was admitted into the prison, but this information did not make it into his file.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Let's walk through this scenario: you're at a club, carrying a gun, and you hear/see/sense that there's an active shooter at the location. You head for the restroom to shelter in place because you're not going to proactively hunt for the shooter, you open the door and ... I don't think anyone it's arguing for people carrying guns at clubs. I'm attacking CommieGIR because two men ran into the gunfire and saved lives, and he's making GBS threads on what they did so he can make NRA-strawman quality arguments about gun control. Jarmak fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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CommieGIR posted:Somehow, in the course of the off-duty police officer responding, he killed 50 people. The off-duty officer was on scene. The off-duty office retreated after the suspect went inside, then when the rest of the cops arrived they sat outside for three hours, despite knowing that rapid response is key to stopping an active shooter/terrorist. They likely did this because police are scum and love to see minorities die. Blue Footed Booby posted:The really frustrating part for me is that even if we managed to get sensible restrictions (wait periods, registration, etc) These are about as sensible as requiring Planned Parenthood to have full ICUs and admittance privileges. Blue Footed Booby posted:we'd still have a clusterfuck without fixing the poverty, and especially the concentration of poverty. You can't feasibly kill fifty people with a knife all in one go, and that's a great start, but the country's inner cities can kill way more than that piecemeal. Ding, ding ding ding. There you go, thinking about why we have violence, instead of how its done. Now start thinking about all the money and manpower you'd could spend to address poverty and inequality directly if you didn't waste it on trying to force method shifts. Blue Footed Booby posted:You can't feasibly kill fifty people with a knife all in one go, and that's a great start, but the country's inner cities can kill way more than that piecemeal. Everybody brings up knives, but if a determined person wants to kill a lot of people, they can.   So lets keep it in perspective;   Ask yourself honestly - what do you care more about, banning(or controlling) guns, or saving lives? Where can you spend money and effort to get the most improvement for the maximum number of people? Also, I don't want to hear 'we can do several things at once' because that position presumes infinite resources, while in reality we as a nation have limited money, manpower, capital, and time. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I'm not in a position to do too much googling right now, but didn't the UK have a substantially lower violent crime rate than the US--to include gun stuff, but everything else too--even BEFORE the bans went into effect? The US conservative line about how lots of factors rather than just gun laws cause gun violence is correct, it's just that nobody (but particularly conservatives) bothers to address any of these things either. Given the depressing state of sensible gun reform in the US I wonder if the progressive play here is to say "you know what you guys are absolutely correct, mass shootings are entirely due to [mental illness/poverty/poor education] so we propose [comprehensive national mental health care system/welfare spending/education investment] and you can keep all the guns you want" banking on gun nuts' fear of losing their guns outweighing their fears of big govt or socialised medicine.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Oh and the Russian government's hacking teams have been spying on the DNC's email and chat system for months and also stole... opposition research on Donald Trump. Isn't that interesting with how much Putin "loves" Trump and how close his campaign manager guy is to the Russians. Why bother? Isn't Putin the varsity squad, and Trump's the towel boy for JV?
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I know it's political suicide and they would never do it but is it possible/legal for the GOP to flat out deny Trump the nomination and give it to someone else?
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Jarmak posted:They absolutely boxed the shooter in, they shot at him and forced him to retreat into the bathroom where he became pinned. I'm pretty sure having him pinned in the bathroom where they could evacuate wounded and the remaining people from the rest of the club instead of letting him be free to roam around finishing off wounded people and killing all the people trapped in the other bathroom counts as "saving lives" you dumb motherfucker. i mean yeah theoretically more people probably would have been killed if it werent for an immediate armed response the flip side of this is that despite an immediate armed response, this guy still managed to rack up the high score in modern spree shootings
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