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Walmart Decides to Drop Sale of AR-15 Assault Riflesquote:A generation ago, the American gun industry came up with a devilish new campaign to bolster declining sales — militarizing the civilian firearms market with lightly adapted versions of potent battlefield weapons like the M-16 rifle. Renamed the AR-15, this semiautomatic assault rifle has come to haunt society in the hands of criminals and the deranged, who regularly kill innocent people in high-powered mass shootings. No more Confederate flags, no more AR15s... 
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zoux posted:The GOPe is uh, not handling the Trump speech well: "Muslims, boy, I don't know."
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Jun 14, 2016 16:50
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LeJackal posted:The off-duty office retreated after the suspect went inside, then when the rest of the cops arrived they sat outside for three hours, despite knowing that rapid response is key to stopping an active shooter/terrorist. I'm coming for your guns. None of your pontificating, equivocating or evading will help. I'm coming for your guns.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:51
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:I know it's political suicide and they would never do it but is it possible/legal for the GOP to flat out deny Trump the nomination and give it to someone else? it's not illegal in any way since the GOP is a non-governmental entity but it definitely goes against their stated bylaws and it's too late in the game to change them without causing a massive uproar
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Jun 14, 2016 16:51
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Thaddius the Large posted:Why bother? Isn't Putin the varsity squad, and Trump's the towel boy for JV? The theory is Trump's an unknown factor in politics and they want to learn as much as they can about him.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:51
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LeJackal posted:Also, I don't want to hear 'we can do several things at once' because that position presumes infinite resources, while in reality we as a nation have limited money, manpower, capital, and time. Translation: I don't want to hear the real answer because it underscores my in ability to admit that sensible gun control isn't a bad idea.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:51
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Wow that's actually pretty big.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:51
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RuanGacho posted:Hey, psst, hey.  poo poo don't gently caress around like that. Seriously! You are joking right? 
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Jun 14, 2016 16:52
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I always love how LeJackal is all about treating the symptom of violence but not the enhancer of violence. He's so thoughtful.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:52
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https://twitter.com/blunted215/status/742741757402722304 meanwhile, in odious bloated idiots news
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Jun 14, 2016 16:53
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I wish I could remember who said it but someone tweeted earlier or yesterday that this election feels like an argument between an article and its comments section.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:53
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A lovely Reporter posted:Not to mention it would make hook-ups really hosed up. Even when you absolutely don't intend to use it, when the other person finds out you have a gun things will get really uncomfortable. :theimplication: It's a boat metaphor.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:54
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LeJackal posted:
Clearly addressing the gun problem in America is such a tremendous strain on the richest society in the history of forever that we must carefully ration our limited resources in order to address this public threat. A comprehensive approach to the issue is out of bounds for discussion because we simply can't afford a comprehensive approach, we can only afford a very limited and non-resource intensive approach because we are so terribly poor in this country. Or perhaps the resources necessary to address this public health crises are entirely within our grasp, however we are prevented from accessing these resources by a radicalized minority that happens to hold the reigns of power at present. In either case rejecting the concept of taking an integrated approach because we lack the resources is akin to arguing that we should not take a comprehensive approach to global warming because we lack the resources. Its a bad faith argument is what I'm saying.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:54
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emdash posted:https://twitter.com/blunted215/status/742741757402722304 "we should bomb them, maybe with drones.... oh, we already do that? uh, we should bomb them with pla- oh, we do that too? we, um, ah"
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Jun 14, 2016 16:54
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emdash posted:https://twitter.com/blunted215/status/742741757402722304 I mean, he's on Trump's team. Clearly he just wants to follow through on Trump's policy of waging war on the killer's wife and child.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:54
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i mean yeah theoretically more people probably would have been killed if it werent for an immediate armed response This is a good argument for why we need more gun control, it's not a good argument for saying the cops who ran in to try to save people accomplished nothing.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:55
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AbsoluteLlama posted:This is one of the big issues that is going to cause this to be an issue basically forever. People in the 'ban' camp simply want to ban all guns, period. The freepers know that. Comparing anti-gun people to the anti-abortion crowd is a fair argument in this respect. Any law that makes it harder to buy or use guns is okay simply because it gets closer to banning guns. Every shooting I hear arguments that we should expand the no-fly list to be a 'no-guns' list. Yeah, let's totally expand an unconsitutional program... because it bans guns for some (brown) people! Civil rights? Due process? Only knee-jerk reactions allowed when guns are involved! Kilroy posted:Gonna make a suggestion I made many months ago: Last time I floated this pretty much everyone hated it: anti-gun people because it allows access to more kinds of weapons than are available now, and pro-gun people because it restricts ownership in other ways, more than now. A good sign of an effective compromise is when everyone hates the result, if you ask me. Anyway, my point is, the discussion that followed was mostly with anti-gun people, who didn't like it but at least entertained the idea and offered suggestions. The reaction from the pro-gun crowd was generally dismissive and negative. Both sides have their zealots, and of course here you will find more anti-gun zealots than pro-gun ones, but on balance it seems to be the alleged "anti-gun" crowd is more amenable to compromise. And that's just on this very left-liberal message board. The Republicans in Congress could accomplish a shitload if they showed even the slightest willingness to compromise, so thoroughly have they dug in their heels. Instead, what's going to happen is nothing until such time that actually repealing the 2nd amendment becomes a viable thing. By that time it will be too late for compromise. Have fun with your toys while you can. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 16:55
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emdash posted:https://twitter.com/blunted215/status/742741757402722304 Didn't we just potentially kill ISIS's leader with a bomb like, today.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:55
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LeJackal posted:
"Gun restrictions are an difficult/inefficient way to reduce violence compared to other things" [because millions of gun obsessed crazies will fight you every step of the way] is only a legitimate argument if you aren't one of the crazies.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:56
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Night10194 posted:Didn't we just potentially kill ISIS's leader with a bomb like, today. That has not been confirmed by anyone I'd consider reliable. No US official, for instance
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Jun 14, 2016 16:57
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emdash posted:https://twitter.com/blunted215/status/742741757402722304 "Igor, quickly, the time is right! Go forth and do my bidding!" - Trump to Christie.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:57
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Night10194 posted:Didn't we just potentially kill ISIS's leader with a bomb like, today. We do more to fight ISIS than anyone else, including already implementing most of the "ideas" candidates have for how they would improve our fight against ISIS.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:58
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RuanGacho posted:Hey, psst, hey. Top Senators DEMAND Congress Pass Gun Control After The Orlando Shooting quote:Durbin is the second highest ranking Democrat in the Senate and has stated that if Congress does not act, then it will be “complicit in the next killing.”
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Jun 14, 2016 16:58
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Wait, why was Christie screaming about Muslims on WFAN? That's a sports station. Did he just blurt into it while complaining about the Jets or something?
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Jun 14, 2016 16:59
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88,000 people die every year from alcohol abuse and in 2014 there were almost 10,000 fatalities from DUIs Tobacco use kills 480,000 a year. Not one call to ban the use, sale or possession of either of those two substances.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:59
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emdash posted:That has not been confirmed by anyone I'd consider reliable. No US official, for instance Why I said potentially. What I mean is, short of sending in ground troops, we are already bombing the poo poo out of those guys.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:59
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emdash posted:https://twitter.com/blunted215/status/742741757402722304 It's really nice that Donald lets Christie out when he isn't busy picking up McDonalds for him.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:59
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Jarmak posted:This is a good argument for why we need more gun control, it's not a good argument for saying the cops who ran in to try to save people accomplished nothing. I think the greater picture is if we've reached a point where 100 people are shot when there is an immediate response maybe that shouldn't be a good barometer of "look how effective the gun response was".
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Jun 14, 2016 17:00
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zoux posted:I want to ban all guns forever but I'm willing to compromise at a ban on handguns and semi automatic actions.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:00
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/742748522768896000 AWB is comin back baby
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Jun 14, 2016 17:01
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His Purple Majesty posted:88,000 people die every year from alcohol abuse and in 2014 there were almost 10,000 fatalities from DUIs did you really write this thinking we've never gone over those deeply flawed analogies in this forum before did you think you were being clever or introducing something new? Night10194 posted:Why I said potentially. What I mean is, short of sending in ground troops, we are already bombing the poo poo out of those guys. 
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Jun 14, 2016 17:01
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His Purple Majesty posted:88,000 people die every year from alcohol abuse and in 2014 there were almost 10,000 fatalities from DUIs You can't walk into a school with a cigarette and kill 20 children either.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:01
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emdash posted:did you really write this thinking we've never gone over those deeply flawed analogies in this forum before Here's what's going on here, in handy cartoon form: 
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Jun 14, 2016 17:02
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His Purple Majesty posted:88,000 people die every year from alcohol abuse and in 2014 there were almost 10,000 fatalities from DUIs This just in: Bar slaughtered by man abusing alcohol. Police baffled how he forced others to drink so much. CitizenKain posted:You can't walk into a school with a cigarette and kill 20 children either. Second hand smoke! Think of the mass smoking.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:02
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His Purple Majesty posted:88,000 people die every year from alcohol abuse and in 2014 there were almost 10,000 fatalities from DUIs Actually I think you'll find there have been multiple calls and even attempts to both restrict and ban those things.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:02
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CitizenKain posted:You can't walk into a school with a cigarette and kill 20 children either. And there's a whole bunch of laws about what you can drink, where, and what you're allowed to do while drinking.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:03
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pack it in guys His Purple Majesty DESTROYS liberals with one trick
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Jun 14, 2016 17:03
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STAC Goat posted:And there's a whole bunch of laws about what you can drink, where, and what you're allowed to do while drinking. And smoke!
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Jun 14, 2016 17:03
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Night10194 posted:Why I said potentially. What I mean is, short of sending in ground troops, we are already bombing the poo poo out of those guys. it's good that, the fourth time around, we finally realized that ground troops are terrible at fighting an asymmetric threat in a foreign culture which is hostile to us
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It would be interesting to see the response to proposing minors be banned from using/being supplied with guns. Who am I kidding the response would be the same as every other proposed restriction
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