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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/742783663000158208 You know, if you were to have told me that republicans would consider gun control after 49 gay men were gunned down but not after 20 school children were gunned down I would have laughed in your face... yet here we are.
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Jim Hoft, a longtime hard-right blogger also known as the Gateway Pundit, thinks he has the answer. Yesterday, Hoft revealed that he was gay on Breitbart news and argued that it was time for gay people to “come home” to the conservative party. He wrote: “I can no longer remain silent as my gay brothers and sisters are being slaughtered at dance clubs. There is only one man who can lead this nation and protect all gays and all Americans. His name is Donald Trump.”
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Jun 14, 2016 19:57
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/LukeRussert/status/742790716804476928 It's like waking up to find a flaming bag on your front steps and having to sidestep it every day. Get used to it you miserable assholes.
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Jun 14, 2016 19:58
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Require all firearms owners to purchase insurance for each gun they own and different insurance plans amounts for what they wish to do with it with the firearm (hunting, concealed carry) and what firearms they own (rifle, shotgun). If they do not have this insurance, they must keep the weapon(s) locked away unless they are necessary to protect the security of a free state.
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LeJackal posted:The off-duty office retreated after the suspect went inside, then when the rest of the cops arrived they sat outside for three hours, despite knowing that rapid response is key to stopping an active shooter/terrorist. Welp since there will always be murders and fire, I guess we should just give up and let anyone by a machine gun. But our government actually does regulate things for public safety, like fire occurring in buildings. There are buildings codes that must be followed, inspections, a need for fire exits, etc. Money is spent on that. Actually fires occurs with less frequency every year because of improving standards. Arson can't be regulated into oblivion. There will always be arson, and accidental fires, but steps have been taken to decrease the chance of fire causing serious deaths and damage. I can't imagine the Great Chicago Fire happening today. Even with strict gun regulations, there would still be people shooting other people with guns, but such tragedies can be reduced. And now I remember children being gunned down in a school cannot get some people to consider gun control. Another good alternative to a hot dog is just some bratwurst with mustard on a slice of toast. I enjoy also enjoy a brown onion sauce with lots of sliced sausage in a sandwich. Kind of like a German po-boy.
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theflyingorc posted:There are very few people who have no interest in some level of semi-auto for those two purposes, in my opinion. If I thought I needed a weapon for defense (I don't think that), I would want a semi-automatic pistol, I would want to be able to fire 6-8 shots rather rapidly. You don't need a semi-auto rifle for hunting. Bolt action and Bow hunting are where it's at. And like Bi Now said, Shotgun is the home defense standard. A.) Penetration is bad, especially if you live in a townhouse. And B.) Handguns are innaccurate, more likely to be stolen, easier for a child to hurt themselves with, etc.
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Jun 14, 2016 19:59
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Lid posted:Jim Hoft, a longtime hard-right blogger also known as the Gateway Pundit, thinks he has the answer. Yesterday, Hoft revealed that he was gay on Breitbart news and argued that it was time for gay people to “come home” to the conservative party. He wrote: “I can no longer remain silent as my gay brothers and sisters are being slaughtered at dance clubs. There is only one man who can lead this nation and protect all gays and all Americans. His name is Donald Trump.”  Could Drudge be next?
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Jun 14, 2016 20:00
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A Winner is Jew posted:You know, if you were to have told me that republicans would consider gun control after 49 gay men were gunned down but not after 20 school children were gunned down I would have laughed in your face... yet here we are. I wouldn't count this as anything but noise until he actually does or says something This is a guy who said that his main concern for SCOTUS picks is if they're NRA-approved
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Jun 14, 2016 20:01
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What did Trump say that is making Republicans pretend he doesn't exist?
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Jun 14, 2016 20:01
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showbiz_liz posted:How did they not figure that out months ago, is my question. Yeah Trump is 24/7 reality TV these days and Americans love reality TV, but that doesn't mean they love reality TV stars. As often as not, they gleefully despise them. People will click on stories about Trump whether they're positive or negative, so the relative kid-glove treatment he's been getting just makes zero sense to me. everyone was convinced he would flame out soon and didn't want to be the first one to break the professionalism taboo by calling trump out. the media fetishizes impartiality. now that there's a breach in that wall, especially now that trump is revoking press credentials, it's open season
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Jun 14, 2016 20:02
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:What did Trump say that is making Republicans pretend he doesn't exist? Take your pick but it seems to be a confluence of his comments about Judge Curiel, then doubling down on it to say muslims and women couldn't judge him, and then in the wake of a deadly mass shooting responding with even more vile racism and bigotry in really undignified manner that included him later in the day saying Obama was rooting for the terrorists and is perhaps, a secret Jihadist.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:04
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:What did Trump say that is making Republicans pretend he doesn't exist? Obama is a secret Muslim that sides with the terrorists.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:04
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Wakko posted:I understand your viewpoint, but I can't help but see it as fundamentally opposed to liberalism. Lives are lost because of an insistence that the right to due process is more important that taking dangerous folks off the streets, that the right to free speech is worth protecting even when it allows terrorist groups to disseminate hatred and recruit from our population, that the right to privacy ensures drunk drivers will kill 8000 people this year and another 25000 will die to heroin. When I speak at someone, I don't deprive them of rights. When I am given my due process under the law, the prosecutor is not deprived of rights. When I am allows to vote, the candidate is not deprived of rights. When I shoot at someone, they are deprived of rights and potentially all of them. For the record, I support a ban on sales of all cars designed to intentionally kill pedestrians too.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:06
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:What did Trump say that is making Republicans pretend he doesn't exist? It's not necessarily what he's saying, because for the most part, they all agree with him on all the poo poo he says, though stuff like the Curiel thing I think they're genuinely aghast at. The issue they have is they've realized that now the press and Democrats are going to do everything they can do to tie every single sitting Republican to the dumbest poo poo Trump says. Notice they're going hardest after the ones who have expressed support for him or calls for unity behind a flawed candidate for the sake of keeping Clinton out of the WH. The only way to avoid a, "you said it's important to support Trump in the past, so do you believe the GOP should embrace his comments that American ciitzens don't count if they're brown or do you think support for him should be withdrawn?" question is to just not answer at all, which looks bad but not nearly as bad as answering it
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Jun 14, 2016 20:07
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A Winner is Jew posted:You know, if you were to have told me that republicans would consider gun control after 49 gay men were gunned down but not after 20 school children were gunned down I would have laughed in your face... yet here we are. Not a huge deal but, some of the victims were women.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:07
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Lawsuit: 6th Graders Dragged Black Girl by Rope Around Her Neckquote:The school describes the injury as an “accident,” as the family seeks $3-million in damages. The adults were in on it. :kkk:
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Jun 14, 2016 20:08
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:What did Trump say that is making Republicans pretend he doesn't exist? he's using the dogwhistle way too much, draining its power and threatening the stability of the republican coalition the GOP is tenuously able to hold on to power because it has three factions - greedy corporate types and business-firsters, religious social conservatives, and racist poor whites. generally the business elites mastermind the whole thing by paying lip service to and every once in a while throwing a political bone to the god botherers and the racists. the racists have convinced themselves that they are the true heirs of the american heartland, hence all the distrust of the establishment and the Tea Party. this threatens the ability of the business faction to maintain power and pass things they like such as low taxes, no min wage increases, etc. trump is basically out there leading the racists around in a big shouty mob which is not sufficient to get him elected, at the cost of fracturing the relationship between the party and one of its few reliable demographics even further. the price of mending this divide is to give more power to the racists which is a bit like a mafia don letting his goons make the decisions, and the last thing the GOP needs is the racists further alienating the bulk of american moderates
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Jun 14, 2016 20:10
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A Winner is Jew posted:Obama is a secret Muslim that sides with the terrorists. I see Trump's pivot to the center is going well.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:12
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RuanGacho posted:It wasn't dumb poo poo 200 years ago but it sure is now. There is no reasonable scenario that people who wrote a law that long ago could conceive of the nature of a modern uprising and how it would play out. They couldn't even imagine the US becoming a global empire, never mind the land mass it would span. Just to clarify- are you saying liberalism as a philosophy is dumb poo poo? I was driving at consistency from a philosophical standpoint, not the practical aspects of revolution. Prester Jane posted:I would like to state here that in my experience making the argument that there is some sort of Enemy that is such a massive threat that it requires the suspension of due process in order to keep us safe is the first step to psychologically accepting authoritarianism. (And you also made this point while talking about how authoritarian societies are "safer" than liberal ones.) I would suggest that you do not know very much about how "safe" authoritarian societies actually are in practice. Historically speaking, the safety has always been an illusion. Sorry for being unclear here, I was trying to pack a lot of meaning into "in this way". I'm not suggesting that authoritarian societies produce lower net mortality rates, obviously executions and secret prisons aren't great for net safety. We do see regular news stories meant to generate outrage about known suspects or criminals pre-trial getting arrested for committing another violent act, and these specific deaths would be prevented by absolute lack of due process, but I think just about all posters here would agree that's a bad thing.
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Lid posted:Jim Hoft, a longtime hard-right blogger also known as the Gateway Pundit, thinks he has the answer. Yesterday, Hoft revealed that he was gay on Breitbart news and argued that it was time for gay people to “come home” to the conservative party. He wrote: “I can no longer remain silent as my gay brothers and sisters are being slaughtered at dance clubs. There is only one man who can lead this nation and protect all gays and all Americans. His name is Donald Trump.” It's funny how the GOP now expects the LGBT community to just forget 60+ years of conservatives making GBS threads on them. I'd love to see people go back to when Gay marriage was finalized and pick out called shots on how quickly the GOP were going to try and rewrite their history.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:15
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In non gunchat news US Appeals court sided with Net Neutrality: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/14/471286113/u-s-appeals-court-holds-up-net-neutrality-rules-in-full
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Jun 14, 2016 20:18
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Ligur posted:Hay guyz, Finland and Switzerland amongst others have top 10 most guns per capita. Gun crime is almost non-existent anyway. Listen man I get that you're not from the States, but trust when I tell you this is an argument that has gone around here for decades and decades. Finland and Switzerland are not the US. They do not have the same lax laws, and we do not have the same standards they have.
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theflyingorc posted:Fair enough, I wasn't thinking about them as a category, even though they are my favorite type of gun to shoot! Yeah but it needs to be a pump, not one of those sissy over/unders. 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Take your pick but it seems to be a confluence of his comments about Judge Curiel, then doubling down on it to say muslims and women couldn't judge him, and then in the wake of a deadly mass shooting responding with even more vile racism and bigotry in really undignified manner that included him later in the day saying Obama was rooting for the terrorists and is perhaps, a secret Jihadist. Also, Putin now has all of the Dems' oppo research on him. You know, the research that he forbade his own staff from doing to protect him.
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Crain posted:It's funny how the GOP now expects the LGBT community to just forget 60+ years of conservatives making GBS threads on them. I'm surprised that the self-identified LGBT vote hasn't gone the way of the black vote in terms of polarization towards the Dems.
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MariusLecter posted:Lawsuit: 6th Graders Dragged Black Girl by Rope Around Her Neck Jesus christ, the whole article is definitely worth the read. They tried killing her. There's no other way to read it. And the school did nothing. White texans, stop being the loving kind of white texans that people say you are, god drat it.
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MariusLecter posted:Lawsuit: 6th Graders Dragged Black Girl by Rope Around Her Neck  Holy gently caress, how does the school even HOPE to defend this.
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Wakko posted:Just to clarify- are you saying liberalism as a philosophy is dumb poo poo? I was driving at consistency from a philosophical standpoint, not the practical aspects of revolution. I'm speaking of the practicality of the 2nd amendment and I think it's a significant error to consider the defense of the second amendment an issue of liberty when its stated purpose is at best, questionable in its potential effectiveness, and is used as a hobby horse from having to answer tougher questions about the murder of American citizens. I find it especially repugnant because when we speak of things like giving up liberty for security it completely ignores the rather complex and mostly accepted safety regulation we have in society already. I take on the tyrannical persona as a rhetorical device because I find all the counter arguments farcical at best. As an example a chefs knife properly sharpened could be one of the most deadly blades you could turn on someone, but that's not why we make chefs knives.
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Teddybear posted:I'm surprised that the self-identified LGBT vote hasn't gone the way of the black vote in terms of polarization towards the Dems. lol I didn't even think of the angle that if Trump were elected Putin would have so much dirt on him that he could and would blackmail him over it. Amazing how screwed the Republicans are. This is all karma for so many years of the Southern Strategy.
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Ron Jeremy posted:I think it's pointless until the SC rules the 2A is a collective right that can be limited. Most mass shooters come from well off or at least average circumstances. Their actions do not stem from poverty. Only a small percentage of shooters exhibit psychosis before their killings, https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-were-wrong-mass-shooters-000000296.html?ref=gs. So no, single payer would not help.
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Anyone bring this up yet? https://twitter.com/politicocharlie/status/742384410331389952 Take June state polls for what they're worth but holy poo poo lol
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Lid posted:Jim Hoft, a longtime hard-right blogger also known as the Gateway Pundit, thinks he has the answer. Yesterday, Hoft revealed that he was gay on Breitbart news and argued that it was time for gay people to “come home” to the conservative party. He wrote: “I can no longer remain silent as my gay brothers and sisters are being slaughtered at dance clubs. There is only one man who can lead this nation and protect all gays and all Americans. His name is Donald Trump.” Here's the full context of that quote: Jim Hoft posted:I can no longer remain silent as my gay brothers and sisters are being slaughtered at dance clubs. Yes, the LGBT community owes many thanks to Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito for fighting for their rights!
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That KS poll is Zogby so it has about as much weight as me just saying "Trump 38 Clinton 45".
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Anyone bring this up yet? I'd just like to note that this was from before pulse.
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Let's see if they use their old defense for past incidents: quote:Email evidence submitted in the suit shows that the school’s principal, Allison Buras, responded by writing: “It sounds like he may have pushed on the back of her leg to make her leg buckle, which is something the kids sometimes do. Rarely is that done out of meanness but more out of a desire for sport.”
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Popular Thug Drink posted:he's using the dogwhistle way too much, draining its power and threatening the stability of the republican coalition When your success depends on pandering to the lowest common denominator of racist white garbage, at some point someone was going to realize that they could derail the whole thing by openly promising what everyone else was just hinting at. Other candidates flirted with this sort of thing (e.g. Pat Buchanan, Michelle Bachmann), but nobody would commit to it fully until Trump.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Let's see if they use their old defense for past incidents: Ah yes, the renowned sport of Lynching. A Southern tradition indeed.
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That gunman in the Texas Wal-mart was apparently killed, by the way.
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Trabisnikof posted:When I speak at someone, I don't deprive them of rights. I see this as overly simplistic. When you speak to a group of violent theocrats and tell them they need to protect "babies", and one of them murders an abortion doctor, your speech shares responsibility. When a prosecutor is forced to release a mugger on bail and he goes on to kill a family in a home invasion, due process shares responsibility for the loss of their lives. When you shoot at the man violently assaulting you, you are definitely depriving him of his life and his rights and that is your right as a citizen of a free society.
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Wakko posted:I understand your viewpoint, but I can't help but see it as fundamentally opposed to liberalism. Lives are lost because of an insistence that the right to due process is more important that taking dangerous folks off the streets, that the right to free speech is worth protecting even when it allows terrorist groups to disseminate hatred and recruit from our population, that the right to privacy ensures drunk drivers will kill 8000 people this year and another 25000 will die to heroin. Its a public health issue. Liberalism (progressivism) from its earliest days have been associated with public health causes.
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