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Epic High Five posted:Haha no poo poo? Yeah gonna have to work MTV Politics into my rotation, shame I've been ignoring them up until now but all things considered they should've rebranded if they want the >30 like me to stumble on them Yeah Holly owns owns own owns. She's really cool IRL. too.
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Wakko posted:That's fair, I appreciate your honesty. It's one of those things. As recently as the 1990s and the AWB, modern gun control was forwarded by a coalition of three groups: Old social conservatives of Reagan's generation, upset at black/poor people having guns and white kids having new-fangled guns that wouldn't appear in a cowboy movie. Law and order Democrats, not progressives so much as the ones who saw gun control as one pillar along with stricter sentencing and stepping up the war on drugs Gun companies, who saw restrictions as a way to edge out cheaper sellers and importers. As time went on those conservatives mostly died out, or else got to thinking that AK-47s weren't dirty commie stuff after all. The gun companies got pushback from customers who saw they were being thrown under the bus, and dropped out. The rest just got cargo culted into the mainstream Democratic canon, and progressives make up reasons why it's actually what they wanted all along, in the same way that "pro-business, small-government" Republicans make up reasons why it's important for government to enforce Christian values in the bedroom. If it leads to a lot of tortured logic and arguments out of ignorance, it's because it kinda has to.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:11
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Jun 14, 2016 21:13
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Somebody better notify Wikipedia and Pulse's website because they both say it's a gay bar. Well, the Pulse website did, now all they have is a statement about the incident which includes "From the beginning, Pulse has served as a place of love and acceptance for the LGBTQ community."
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Jun 14, 2016 21:14
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Gail Wynand posted:Gay Latinos? Impossible! Hank Azaria's character in the Birdcage was just an act wholly imagined for cinema with no basis in reality.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:14
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Uhhhhhh I think you'll find that a building cannot itself be gay, thus Sen. Sessions' statement that Pulse was not a gay club is accurate
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Jun 14, 2016 21:15
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:
Ana Marie Cox, founder of Wonkette
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Jun 14, 2016 21:17
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At this time last year, I bet the entire GOP thought they'd be running Scott Walker or Jeb Bush against an extremely unpopular Obama legacy. https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/742812453243891712
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Jun 14, 2016 21:19
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Ana Marie Cox, founder of Wonkette And?
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Jun 14, 2016 21:21
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http://gawker.com/now-peter-thiels-...dium=socialflow new suit against Gawker over the Trump hair story
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Jun 14, 2016 21:24
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Teddybear posted:Does... Does he not know what gay is? I suspect there's at least a few Congressmen and Senators who sincerely don't know that "LGBT" is a "gay thing."
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Jun 14, 2016 21:26
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Trabisnikof posted:I don't think due process shares any responsibility for not convicting a mugger of the future crime of murder. You're entitled to your opinion of course. If you don't mind me asking, do you believe there is a direct relationship between hate speech and hate crimes at all? Is Germany mistaken for suppressing nazi iconography and philosophy?
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emdash posted:http://gawker.com/now-peter-thiels-...dium=socialflow Trumpcast had an episode a week ago with Feinberg on going through this Ivari character and the treatment he's offered to people. My favourite is that Ivari would start begging rich people for loans in the middle of a treatment and just leave their hair an unfinished mess if they balked.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:29
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Shageletic posted:Most mass shooters come from well off or at least average circumstances. That's the thing though. They're part of this generation that's been fed the bullshit about the American dream yet they're not on a path to be as comfortable as their parents, so while they may come from the "middle" class, they are frustrated and downwardly mobile. People are killing others as a means of killing themselves and giving that suicide some sort of perverted meaning because their own lives have no meaning. Community provides that, and the FYGM-ing of community and the american dream are just alienating more people. And that's just stereotyping the young white male mass shooter. Many more shootings are happening in the black community where there are definite problems with employment and any sort of upward mobility.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:32
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A Winner is Jew posted:There is a ton of gay cast that frequented that club and I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit to find out that a few cast members were victims. I heard Iger himself was at one of the vigils.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:32
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What the gently caress? Some of them are really trying to remove the gay people from this incident, aren't they? That will surely get the gays on their side!
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Jun 14, 2016 21:35
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Wakko posted:John Locke also had to flee England for literally conspiring to violently overthrow the monarchy, no? Were you to get his take on how successful the modern US government is at protecting the lives of its people vs. contemporary governments of his time, or even just the remaining distance it has to go to create a perfectly safe society, is it realistic to argue he would consider abolishing private ownership of arms to be in the interests of liberty and equality? Listen I'm only addressing your point about if there was a dissonance between the prohibition of certain gun rights and liberalism. 1) We don't know what John Locke would think about abolishing private ownership of arms vis a vis liberty because 2) The current concept of gun rights held by those who view it as invioable is a few decades old. And 3) Those people are not part of the liberal movement. I don't know what else to tell you.
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YOU CAN ONLY BE ONE THING AT A TIME Epic High Five posted:Haha no poo poo? Yeah gonna have to work MTV Politics into my rotation, shame I've been ignoring them up until now but all things considered they should've rebranded if they want the >30 like me to stumble on them MTV absolutely has some good writers. Jamil Smith isn't one of them though, just as a heads-up.
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Shillary posted:I heard Iger himself was at one of the vigils. Wouldn't surprise me. On the one hand Disney is an evil company that treats it's employees like poo poo, but on the other they're actually really great at making everyone, no matter who they are or what job they do, feel like a part of one big family. (Full disclosure, I have several friends that are cast at Disneyland and a few of them have said they've met a victim at one point when they went to the other park)
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zoux posted:What's this thing that the CNN reporter is doing where he doesn't just believe what the Trump spokesman is saying and is actually implying that they are opportunistically pandering towards people? ancient historical documents suggest this is called "journalism," which was practiced by our ancestors many years ago.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:40
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:just identifying the writer as having a long pedigree ah, yeah. they've gotten some fantastic names.
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Shageletic posted:Listen man I get that you're not from the States, but trust when I tell you this is an argument that has gone around here for decades and decades. Yeah I get you, this is pretty clear. I can't walk down a store and buy semiauto rifles if I feel like it. Just understand, the whole thing is really weird from Euro POV.
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Everblight posted:ancient historical documents suggest this is called "journalism," which was practiced by our ancestors many years ago. I've heard tale of such.
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fknlo posted:What the gently caress? It's difficult to use a tragedy as a wedge to attack a religion when your own religion vilifies the very people whose death you're trying to exploit.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:43
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Obama on "radical islam" (@ 13:00) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-fPENHxhsA&t=783s
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Everblight posted:ancient historical documents suggest this is called "journalism," which was practiced by our ancestors many years ago. I'm heartened that Obama's quip at the WHCD that "Jake Tapper left journalism to join CNN" seems to have hit home.
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Ron Jeremy posted:That's the thing though. They're part of this generation that's been fed the bullshit about the American dream yet they're not on a path to be as comfortable as their parents, so while they may come from the "middle" class, they are frustrated and downwardly mobile. People are killing others as a means of killing themselves and giving that suicide some sort of perverted meaning because their own lives have no meaning. Community provides that, and the FYGM-ing of community and the american dream are just alienating more people. I think this great article is worth reposting: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map And here's a database of recent mass shootings as defined by the FBI: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data Mass shooting are overwhelming done by young, white males. As far as why, it might be because of what you said. It could also as easily be another reason. The only we can be sure of is that we sure as hell as a country make it easy enough to do so. Ligur posted:Yeah I get you, this is pretty clear. It's pretty weird from an American viewpoint. But we're much more numb to it. Maybe more accepting of it too. What comes to mind is of Christian missionaries in Phillipines (I believe) writing home about knife wielding maniacs perodiaclly going on a stabbing frenzy in the middle of the streets of Manila (I think), and the population shrugging, and accepting it as inevitable.
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Evil Fluffy posted:In non gunchat news US Appeals court sided with Net Neutrality: That's good. Luckily there is way more money in politics on the content-provider side of the Internet than the infrastructure-side so I don't see this changing. I do wonder if T-mobile will ever face consequences for BingeOn since it is a direct violation of net neutrality even if they are trying to be sneaky about it.
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Shageletic posted:Listen I'm only addressing your point about if there was a dissonance between the prohibition of certain gun rights and liberalism. I get that. I think your #2 is a little bit hand wavey given that we have the second amendment to the constitution, put in place to safeguard gun rights. The early drafts of the text make clear that at least some portion of the framers considered them if not inviolable, strongly worth protecting as an individual right. I don't think we need to go all Scalia-esque constructionist, attempting to interpret enlightenment thinker's take on modern society, but those thinkers were certainly a part of the liberal movement, near its birth.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Anybody have that "might as well not have laws then" picture on hand? I'll still link this for posterity: 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Well then I've got some good news for you. Nice. Glad she's coming out in support of Net Neutrality!
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/742783663000158208 A Winner is Jew posted:You know, if you were to have told me that republicans would consider gun control after 49 gay men were gunned down but not after 20 school children were gunned down I would have laughed in your face... yet here we are.  https://www.thetrace.org/2015/11/gun-control-race-history-saul-cornell/
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Wakko posted:You're entitled to your opinion of course. If you don't mind me asking, do you believe there is a direct relationship between hate speech and hate crimes at all? Is Germany mistaken for suppressing nazi iconography and philosophy? Of course there is a connection. It is a vastly different connection between a hateful speech act inspiring someone to commit an act of violence and the connection between the weapon used and the act of violence. German anti-nazi laws probably wouldn't fly in the US and I'm glad. But then again, you have to throw a copy of Mien Kampf pretty hard to kill 49 people. If we had speech acts that could, through speech alone, kill someone, I would be arguing that regulating that speech is reasonable.
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Overcompensation Nation: It’s time to admit that toxic masculinity drives gun violencequote:In the wake of the horrific shooting in Orlando that left 50 dead, a political struggle is forming on whether to define this act as an anti-gay crime or an act of radical Islamic terrorism. gunsareforpussies.png
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