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Space Gopher posted:Turing machines can handle all those problems (except the halting one, but you can give yourself an escape valve of, "count the cycles spent thinking about Issue X, if greater than Y, abort and declare the problem too difficult to solve" without much trouble). This is true - but I could imagine programmer error hitting Big Yud's AI. Rest of your post is spot on though! The Vosgian Beast posted:Let's check in with Mister Mean-Spirited, a man so edgy, he http://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2016/06/hate-fucks-are-only-genuine-fucks.html 
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Let's check in with Mister Mean-Spirited, a man so edgy, he http://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2016/06/hate-fucks-are-only-genuine-fucks.html Why does he bother continuing his joyless life? He seems to be utterly furious that other people could enjoy anything at all.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Let's check in with Mister Mean-Spirited, a man so edgy, he http://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2016/06/hate-fucks-are-only-genuine-fucks.html
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Jun 14, 2016 20:37
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Woolie Wool posted:Why does he bother continuing his joyless life? He seems to be utterly furious that other people could enjoy anything at all. I think pure spite
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I think pure spite If MRAs are anything to go buy, I'll bet you he's extraordinarily boring in real life and has suffered few to none impactful hardships.
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People who suffer are grateful for the things they have. People who are entitled and know nothing of suffering lash out like greasy-haired video game enthusiasts.
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Jack Gladney posted:People who suffer are grateful for the things they have. People who are entitled and know nothing of suffering lash out like greasy-haired video game enthusiasts. Snide comments aside, I don't think a lack of hardship is what makes people lash out—it's entitlement. Middle-class white males really are experiencing a decline in health and economic security, and they've finally realized that decline is the new status quo for them unless something changes. They are pissed about it, but due to a strong sense of entitlement towards all the benefits of America, they interpret the survival and success of any other group of people as a loss for their own group. If everything is owed to you, then anybody else's gain is an act of theft and a personal assault. Hence the intense fury of the Tea Party and the burgeoning support for a nationalist populist like Donald Trump.
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Curvature of Earth posted:Snide comments aside, I don't think a lack of hardship is what makes people lash out—it's entitlement. Middle-class white males really are experiencing a decline in health and economic security, and they've finally realized that decline is the new status quo for them unless something changes. They are pissed about it, but due to a strong sense of entitlement towards all the benefits of America, they interpret the survival and success of any other group of people as a loss for their own group. If everything is owed to you, then anybody else's gain is an act of theft and a personal assault. Hence the intense fury of the Tea Party and the burgeoning support for a nationalist populist like Donald Trump. The nice thing about MMS is that he makes this explicit http://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2013/08/life-is-zero-sum-game.html
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The nice thing about MMS is that he makes this explicit http://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2013/08/life-is-zero-sum-game.html Behold a man who finds ressentiment too subtle, and decided to go all in on pathological resentment.
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Tesseraction posted:Imagine your stupid AI fuckshit body trying to think about something and then never ending for eternity because you thought of something outside the bounds of computational complexity. And yet again, Neoreaction a Basilisk covers this precise implication of the halting problem :-D hackbunny posted:Now I wonder, is the writer of The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect related to these goobers? It's an interesting book in that it hits all the "technology singularity happens" beats (including the technological god creating another universe with simpler laws), but without all the weird technology worship (replaced with... plenty of other weird stuff) It's a pretty good book. So it only came up on LessWrong in passing. The author mentions singularity issues here a bit, with clear awareness of MIRI as was.
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Syd Midnight posted:
Ahahaha, perfect.
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How often is it pointed out to neoreactionaries that "virtue signaling" is something that all people in real-life society are required to do as a matter of course because nobody wants to hang around the sort of people who don't do it?
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divabot posted:And yet again, Neoreaction a Basilisk covers this precise implication of the halting problem :-D Hah, nice! I've still not read the ebook because I'm waiting for my physical copy. I love physical books too much to not wait. Woolie Wool posted:How often is it pointed out to neoreactionaries that "virtue signaling" is something that all people in real-life society are required to do as a matter of course because nobody wants to hang around the sort of people who don't do it? That's actually what hbomberguy's most recent video deals with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmM872874A
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Woolie Wool posted:How often is it pointed out to neoreactionaries that "virtue signaling" is something that all people in real-life society are required to do as a matter of course because nobody wants to hang around the sort of people who don't do it? *Extremely Less Wrong voice* Humans are social animals. This is a BAD thing
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I would strongly implore anyone who dislikes the social nature of humans to look into the history of banishment and outlawry, the primary way humans in history have been made into non-social animals. Especially the part where the people so punished inevitably died unless they could find a replacement social group. How do you even argue against humans being social animals? It doesn't matter if you think it's bad, it is what it is--humans need societies as much as they need food and water, they literally die without them. Derobotize yourself and face to humanity. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 01:28 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Woolie Wool posted:I would strongly implore anyone who dislikes the social nature of humans to look into the history of banishment and outlawry, the primary way humans in history have been made into non-social animals. Especially the part where the people so punished inevitably died unless they could find a replacement social group. Died quickly, you mean? Because yeah, anyone who's permanently exiled is probably going to die alone.
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Woolie Wool posted:I would strongly implore anyone who dislikes the social nature of humans to look into the history of banishment and outlawry, the primary way humans in history have been made into non-social animals. Especially the part where the people so punished inevitably died unless they could find a replacement social group. If they had simply pulled themselves up by their bootstraps they could have built a house in the wilderness and lived happily ever after in total freedom like the guy in Anthem.
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Tesseraction posted:Hah, nice! I've still not read the ebook because I'm waiting for my physical copy. I love physical books too much to not wait. On a quick side note, that's always the problem with crowdfunded items that have a digital and physical version. You tend to get the digital if you order the physical, and I'm the exact same way. I put off listening to an album I funded for months because there was a customs hangup on the vinyl pressings, and I'll be damned if my first listen isn't going to be on my hi-fi.  Same with books. eBooks are for when you don't want to lug a book out to the cafe, or when you forget to pack one of themost critical sources for the paper you're writing when you head to a conference in another country, and need to get page numbers for quotes immediately. (Not that I've ever done that...)On the idea of virtue signaling, I don't think it's done as heavily by normal people as the pissbabies suggest. Like, yeah, if I'm, say, mad about the Orlando shooting, I don't voice that initial anger burst of "burn a gun store to the ground, let's make stonewall look like a pride parade", because it's not socially acceptable (and because I'll calm down and regret that thought later). However, for the most part, we're just...generally okay people. Like, my disgust with, say, a pissbaby ranting about how they should be allowed to gently caress 12-year-olds, isn't because I'm trying desperately to show everyone how good and moral I am. It's because adults sexually abusing children is a loving disgusting, harmful, manipulative thing that damages everyone even tangentially involved. It's generally not about people perceiving you as a good person, it's about the fact that we're generally (with small exceptions) not terrible, lovely people.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:*Extremely Less Wrong voice* Humans are social animals. This is a BAD thing Wasps won't sting me, that black and yellow coloring is signalling!
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Wasps won't sting me, that black and yellow coloring is signalling! I wonder what it's signalling though?  
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Fututor Magnus posted:In another instalment of things which Rev feels threatened by: https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/742682246482518016 Rev could sleep if not for the PROGS
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Watch as a supposedly grown-rear end adult loses his poo poo for hours because of a loving wordcloud, those things that were popular to post to your Livejournal in 2006
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I love the way his inability to not see that as a dominance play is destroying his life. Seems like a fitting self-punishment.
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divabot posted:It's a pretty good book. So it only came up on LessWrong in passing. The author mentions singularity issues here a bit, with clear awareness of MIRI as was. I like this guy! I should re-read the book, I had maybe judged it unfairly the first time I read it. I thought it was a little on the techie wankery side, but I had no idea what true techie wankery was - he clearly cares a lot about the human point of view instead of glossing over it or, you know, outright identifying with the AI. Also I skipped the gore and sex because wtf, but I just finished The Painted Bird and I don't think anything he came up with would faze me anymore
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InediblePenguin posted:Watch as a supposedly grown-rear end adult loses his poo poo for hours because of a loving wordcloud, those things that were popular to post to your Livejournal in 2006 To be fair, if you've never been exposed to the corporate world before and get into it late in life so much of it can seem horrifyingly odd, like team building and Myers-Briggs. Is there some kind of vaccine against the DE? Or at least a techno-utopian nerd religion without all the racism?
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Count Chocula posted:To be fair, if you've never been exposed to the corporate world before and get into it late in life so much of it can seem horrifyingly odd, like team building and Myers-Briggs. So far for me it was just playing with girls since I was a kid and having friends of different backgrounds and ethnicities. In terms of now, well education, empathy, mockery for the on the fencers. And there is no nerd techni religion that isn't explicitly bigoted. Because that would imply nerds even listen or care to understand the themes of the shows they obsess over.
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Count Chocula posted:Is there some kind of vaccine against the DE? Critical thinking. Logic 101. Empathy. Any two of those should see you right.
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Ancaps chose the colours of drones and assholes. Fitting.
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Welp, I objected to the use of a certain word in another thread and I've been gifted with a classy new avatar and title. SA: SJW haven, amirite?
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pookel posted:Welp, I objected to the use of a certain word in another thread and I've been gifted with a classy new avatar and title. Goons will fight to the death to defend using their favourite insults. I've tended to not even bother with trying outside of political threads because gooners gonna goon. Plus the kind of poster to throw out bad language like that is someone I don't get along with anyway, so I usually get an opportunity to rile them up just by not agreeing with them, which is nice.
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Honestly that's about the only word I ever object to, because some people who use it honestly don't get how offensive it is. Well, that and "retard," but I know better than to try to pick that battle on a forum full of 20something manchildren. I figure I'll keep it just to remind people how "politically correct" goons actually are (spoiler alert: not very).
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pookel posted:Honestly that's about the only word I ever object to, because some people who use it honestly don't get how offensive it is. Well, that and "retard," but I know better than to try to pick that battle on a forum full of 20something manchildren. Yeah, it's a word I don't use because of its connotations, but being a Brit I have a lot of fellow countrymen (and posters) who use the word like punctuation. SpaceViking posted:
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 Oh I guess NOW Free Speech is not freedom from the consequences of speech
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Tesseraction posted:Goons will fight to the death to defend using their favourite insults. I've tended to not even bother with trying outside of political threads because gooners gonna goon. Hopefully not going to stir up another shitshow (which would only prove my point), but sometimes apologies don't placate the lynch mob. Embracing the awful language isn't the right solution, though. I prefer just apologizing anyway and letting shitters poo poo. On the matter of shitshows I DO want to see stirred up, however. SpaceViking posted:
 THE BLOODGATES ARE OPENThere is no way this doesn't become a glorious frenzy of hate. This thread has actual purpose for me again. EDIT Tesseraction posted:Yeah, it's a word I don't use because of its connotations, but being a Brit I have a lot of fellow countrymen (and posters) who use the word like punctuation. People who use the word in the way Americans find it hella-offensive, then defend it with "I'm English/Australian" or "But the English/Aussies say it" are basically the same as people who think that the n-bomb should be okay since black people use it colloquially as a term of endearment. Actually, I'd wager the venn diagram of both types of people is a circle. An out-of-focus circle at best. Tesseraction posted:He's already back, sadly. Would be nice to see him knocked down properly. Goddamn it, Twitter, grow a backbone. That said, this is a man who caused a scene at a White House press conference because Twitter removed his checkmark. Even a short-lived suspension will probably goad him to new heights of tantrum throwing that the world has never seen before. Blood Gate Status: Tentatively open. Hermetic has a new favorite as of 19:21 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:
I'm the human centipedes
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The Vosgian Beast posted:
This thread needs a Freeper-thread-style title. The Alt-Right: Free speech doesn't entitle you to be a cùck
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Hermetic posted:Hopefully not going to stir up another shitshow (which would only prove my point), but sometimes apologies don't placate the lynch mob. Embracing the awful language isn't the right solution, though. I prefer just apologizing anyway and letting shitters poo poo. For the record it wasn't meant to be a subtle dig at you - I did realise it could be but I'm not personally for digging up drama in here. Hermetic posted:People who use the word in the way Americans find it hella-offensive, then defend it with "I'm English/Australian" or "But the English/Aussies say it" are basically the same as people who think that the n-bomb should be okay since black people use it colloquially as a term of endearment. Actually, I'd wager the venn diagram of both types of people is a circle. An out-of-focus circle at best. I can't really explain it myself since where I'm from it's treated as the shockingly-rude word it is, but people from out of town use it as casually as punctuation and no amount of "oi, language" seems to stop 'em even if they concede the connotations. Hermetic posted:Blood Gate Status: Tentatively open. Yeah, hope they decide to double back on it.
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