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less laughter posted:A dick does not make someone male or female. you know what I meant
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Junpei Hyde posted:Is it not, however, possible that a future Link could, in fact, be a girl? apparently not
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Jun 14, 2016 22:54
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BillmasterCozb posted:apparently not This is saddening and I hope it changes for future titles.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:56
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Saoshyant posted:A), yeah, that's dumb, but I guess those sell somewhat. B to D Chico is one of the people they had testing the game out on the livestream, and is intent on setting as many things on fire as possible and killing as many random animals as she could for food. (Link collects food, including both meat from dead animals and vegetables/mushrooms, as health, rather than the traditional hearts) Forgot to mention: F. Link can snowboard on his shield, though that degrades the shield faster so do it sparingly. G. Link can climb 90 degree inclines, but he has a stamina bar when climbing so he can't go too high up. H. Link can put on/take off clothes, reflected on his model. You can play Link in his underwear if you want to take massive damage from everything.
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Junpei Hyde posted:This is saddening and I hope it changes for future titles. i dont care if it does or doesn't change, as long as I can play the game, it's fine.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:58
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BillmasterCozb posted:i dont care if it does or doesn't change, as long as I can play the game, it's fine. That's perfectly fine. I appreciate that we can have differing opinions on an issue that ultimately doesnt mean the end of the world or anything.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:00
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Patter Song posted:F. Link can snowboard on his shield, though that degrades the shield faster so do it sparingly. Dang, now I understand why this game took so long. Nintendo is woefully prepared to do something on this scale -- they aren't Ubisoft/EA. Pretty happy they did, though, this is all sounding right up my alley.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:00
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link should just be a crudely drawn circle with a smiley face
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Jun 14, 2016 23:00
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Spellman posted:Why can't we have a black haired Link or a black Link or a Link without pointy ears? We could have any of those things. Link's hair colour has already been blonde, brown, red, and pink so far. There are dark-skinned peoples in Hyrule that an incarnation of Link could be born into. The triforce of courage doesn't necessarily have to latch onto a pointy-eared person. None of these ideas are as outlandish as you seem to think they are.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:01
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me: link is a girl nintendo, flustered: well actually the tri- me: the triforce is trash nintendo: 
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Jun 14, 2016 23:01
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"What's next, a Link who's a black lesbian??" yeah a Gerudo Link would in fact be neato thanks for asking.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:03
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Supercar Gautier posted:"What's next, a Link who's a black lesbian??" yeah a Gerudo Link would in fact be neato thanks for asking. 
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Jun 14, 2016 23:05
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jivjov posted:I'm actually hardpressed to think of any video game character ever where the character's gender is absolutely integral to the plot. Possibly any games that deal with various aspects of parenthood, specifically pregnancy/childbirth...but even that isn't an absolute. My problem with what you're saying is that you're calling for games to be more progressive, while reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. Deciding that a guy is not a guy because he doesn't act like you think a guy should act is the opposite of progressive. Link doesn't need to be a sex-crazed, chest-beating adrenaline junkie to be guy. Pokemon Crystal is a terrible example because that game added the girl as a new character instead of changing an old one. You know, exactly like I was suggesting.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:05
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Link hangs dong in this game, he's generally not the most masculine guy around but he's got something to prove this time. Link chops down trees and poo poo, what a man
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Jun 14, 2016 23:06
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Breadallelogram posted:link should just be a crudely drawn circle with a smiley face only if he has a penis
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Jun 14, 2016 23:07
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LoveBoatCaptain posted:My problem with what you're saying is that you're calling for games to be more progressive, while reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. Deciding that a guy is not a guy because he doesn't act like you think a guy should act is the opposite of progressive. Link doesn't need to be a sex-crazed, chest-beating adrenaline junkie to be guy. Thats not really the point jivjov seems to be trying to make at all. I'm reading his posts along the lines of "Link's gender is not important to the plot of any Zelda game so far (except maybe WW I guess but its tenuous) and Link is a diferent person in every game with like 3 exceptions, so why not add a choice like they have done in other franchises with player avatar type characters"? Which is imo a perfectly reasonable unoffensive viewpoint coming from someone who doesn't exactly conform to norms put upon me at birth. (not to say I speak for any group of people as a whole)
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Spinning Robo posted:only if he has a penis A fruity one that with a Skittles or Starburst quality to it, if I may.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:08
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"AHH! They remember me!"
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LoveBoatCaptain posted:My problem with what you're saying is that you're calling for games to be more progressive, while reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. Deciding that a guy is not a guy because he doesn't act like you think a guy should act is the opposite of progressive. Link doesn't need to be a sex-crazed, chest-beating adrenaline junkie to be guy. This is actually a really good point; and I'm not trying to dictate what does and doesn't 'count' as being a gender role. I don't want Link to be a sex-crazed, chest-beating adrenaline junkie...I just see Link as such a non-CHARACTER that adding a gender option shouldn't be that big of a deal. Hell, people were already half convinced that this Link was a girl already due to being "more feminine" than past Links; they could probably get away with a player-selectable gender option that literally changes nothing except pronouns. EDIT: Junpei Hyde posted:Thats not really the point jivjov seems to be trying to make at all. I'm reading his posts along the lines of "Link's gender is not important to the plot of any Zelda game so far (except maybe WW I guess but its tenuous) and Link is a diferent person in every game with like 3 exceptions, so why not add a choice like they have done in other franchises with player avatar type characters"? Yeah, this is what I'm trying to get across; there's never been a Zelda game that makes an issue of Link's gender. It's never been a concern for the plot or gameplay. jivjov fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 23:11
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Tingle got 4 games before Zelda got one that wasn't on the CDi.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:12
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Macaluso posted:People always respond with something like this any time people want characters added to games that are women/PoC/gay/etc and it's total bullshit Oh man I know right? Having a shiek game or anything with zelda being the hero sounds fun. jivjov posted:This is what they should use all those OoT/MM 3DS assets for: a spinoff set during the Seven Years Link is sealed away where you play as Zelda/Sheik. That sounds totally awesome. jivjov posted:I'm actually hardpressed to think of any video game character ever where the character's gender is absolutely integral to the plot. Possibly any games that deal with various aspects of parenthood, specifically pregnancy/childbirth...but even that isn't an absolute. The use of gender in video games is the same as use of gender in every single form of fiction everywhere. You wrote a story, you made characters. Are they male? Female? Does the audience get to know? At this point your argument is about the use of gender in stories in general. The problem with zelda is that these characters are already defined, and maybe the author doesn't want to change them. That's it. That's all there is to be said. While you'd like for nintendo and amoura to go a different route, it's perfectly reasonable for them not to. And considering that they're sticking to that stupid timeline, the only way I see link being a female is if they decide to do a reboot. Because otherwise you'd have to go into link, a boy, being reincarnated with the body of a woman. Maybe nintendo doesn't want their game to get into politics or social etceteras of transgender individuals, or even let the media get the chance to put that upon them and their games. Not that there is anything wrong with doing that. Look I know it may be upsetting to see another triple A title having a male hero, but a well established series with a defined continuity isn't the battleground to make your stand on the case.
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Remember when the worst posts in Zelda threads were just about timelines?
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Magypsy posted:Tingle got 4 games before Zelda got one that wasn't on the CDi. Nintendo really missed the chance to make the big announcement everyone was hoping for this E3, bringing the localization people said was impossible to the Virtual Console: Tingle's Freshly-Picked Rosy Rupeeland It's OK, we'll still be around 5, 10 years from now demanding it get a North American release.
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jivjov posted:This is actually a really good point; and I'm not trying to dictate what does and doesn't 'count' as being a gender role.  so nintendo is at fault for not meeting the expectations that they drew from a picturenice also they'd have to make it so that female link can't be shirtless, and they'd have to make a bunch of female-suited clothes for this female link. nice
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Nephzinho posted:Remember when the worst posts in Zelda threads were just about timelines? I mean technically these are, but in a more pedantic way than usual
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I wish Nintendo had the balls to make a game with just a big fat dick as the main character and they could name it Cathy the Cock I don't think that'd be alienating any of the new wave minority movements because,
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Sprite141 posted:The use of gender in video games is the same as use of gender in every single form of fiction everywhere. You wrote a story, you made characters. Are they male? Female? Does the audience get to know? At this point your argument is about the use of gender in stories in general. And you know...if they had just said "Link isn't a girl because our vision of the character is for Link to be male", that would be the end of it. But instead it because this really odd thing about how Link being a girl would gently caress up "the balance of the Triforce" And yes, the characters have genders that are part of the stories...but at what point in a Zelda title has a character's gender been pivotal to anything?
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Sprite141 posted:Look I know it may be upsetting to see another triple A title having a male hero, but a well established series with a defined continuity isn't the battleground to make your stand on the case. I hope people aren't genuinely being upset by such things. jivjov posted:And you know...if they had just said "Link isn't a girl because our vision of the character is for Link to be male", that would be the end of it. There's nothing to end, people have various thoughts and ideas about some entertainment series on the internet. Who cares? You make it sound like there's a situation and Nintendo must release a statement.
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Patter Song posted:Nintendo really missed the chance to make the big announcement everyone was hoping for this E3, bringing the localization people said was impossible to the Virtual Console: I unironically bought Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland at launch, and imported Tingle's Balloon Fight. I'd have bought Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love if it were in English.
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jivjov posted:And you know...if they had just said "Link isn't a girl because our vision of the character is for Link to be male", that would be the end of it. But instead it because this really odd thing about how Link being a girl would gently caress up "the balance of the Triforce" yeah its almost like link doesnt need to be female
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It might be best to keep in mind that this 'balance of the triforce' explanation is coming from an intern who was probably told by a game journalist who was told by a translator who was told by a probably pretty tired aonuma what the deal is. This may not be an exact thought to argue over.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:19
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Alternative: let us play as adventuring Zelda.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:20
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BillmasterCozb posted:yeah its almost like link doesnt need to be male
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Jun 14, 2016 23:22
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Harrow posted:Alternative: let us play as adventuring Zelda. That idea always makes more sense, and I find it odd that this may appeal to some less than playing a female version of Link. Plus as we know she was a badass ninja one time.
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Playing as zelda would be alright but on the other hand I really really don't care and find the whole idea that people want gender swapped characters weird.
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Yeah, I'd love a Zelda game where Zelda is the actual playable character. She's been good at adventure stuff in multiple incarnations by now.
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Sprite141 posted:Because otherwise you'd have to go into link, a boy, being reincarnated with the body of a woman. One of the over a dozen Links that exist now could already be a woman (or non-binary person) in a man's body. It wouldn't change the established stories in any significant way, really, including the established romantic interests.
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BillmasterCozb posted:yeah its almost like link doesnt need to be female
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less laughter posted:One of the over a dozen Links that exist now could already be a woman (or non-binary person) in a man's body. It wouldn't change the established stories in any significant way, really, including the established romantic interests. Just for the record, it's interesting/funny/something that these conversations are exactly the same as ones Doctor Who fans have a lot. I guess it goes along with the whole wibbly wobbly timey wimey-ness of these series. Link should get a cool phone booth thingy.
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jivjov posted:This is actually a really good point; and I'm not trying to dictate what does and doesn't 'count' as being a gender role. Yeah, and it's a bit too many games into the storyline to start now. Again as dumb as the timeline is, Nintendo is sticking to it. Which makes this a sequel/prequel. Making link a blank non-gender pc so the player can choose the identity of the pc would involve negative character growth, which is uncool. Then again if it's a new reincarnation I guess I can't say character growth, can I? jivjov posted:Yeah, this is what I'm trying to get across; there's never been a Zelda game that makes an issue of Link's gender. It's never been a concern for the plot or gameplay. In the past (or future depending on the timeline) link was a boy who falls in love with a zelda who falls in love with him, but she is in danger/taken away so on and so forth. Yes that is cis gender or whatever the gently caress you want to call it, but that still is a point to which gender has some play on the story. And it's the same play that has been in the story since way the gently caress early on in the series because it's the same souls being reincarnated. Honestly it's just a party of the story itself. That is simply it. If you want to change the story, you'd have to go back many years ago to change it before it started or consider making a zelda reboot. Which I'd be ok with a reboot cause zelda was kinda more fun before the stupid timeline thing. Just make them not link up please.
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