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Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

Tasteful Dickpic posted:

I like it (e: Miraak stealing your dragon souls) because it interferes with the core mechanics and establishes Miraak as a credible threat through gameplay.

Do you get the souls back when you kill him?

Yes, plus a few extra (any souls Miraak has + his own).

E: He doesn't steal all the souls, it's random. That way you can still try and power-up to fight him but have the threat of him popping in and swiping your prize away from you.

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Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

Sylphosaurus posted:

Seriously Bethesda, a HD remake of Skyrim? Talk about a total letdown..

Personally I couldn't be more excited for Skyrim with a yellow tint. I'll be buying the collector's edition.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Sky Shadowing posted:

Yes, plus a few extra (any souls Miraak has + his own).

E: He doesn't steal all the souls, it's random. That way you can still try and power-up to fight him but have the threat of him popping in and swiping your prize away from you.

Isn't it only on Solstheim too?

CFox
Nov 9, 2005
I'm pretty sure Miraak only starts stealing souls if you actually go and meet him.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)
That would make sense. If you haven't introduced yourself, he only knows that there's someone else running around Tamriel claiming to be the Dragonborn.

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

Berke Negri posted:

Isn't it only on Solstheim too?

Nope, he will happily yank your souls in Skyrim.

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

I have to disagree with the thread title.
Skyrim is cancer without mods.

And so is Oblivion.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

Witty phrases on random basis

grate deceiver posted:

Lol, if you think Solstheim had annoyingly tough enemies and a map with nothing going on, boy howdy are you in for a treat with Tribunal. Hope you like sewers.

gently caress those goblins and their forefathers.

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!

Michaellaneous posted:

I have to disagree with the thread title.
Skyrim is cancer without mods.

And so is Oblivion.

I don't think anyone in the thread or even the thread title disagrees with you there.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
I enjoyed both for hundreds of hours unmodded. :colbert:

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

GuyUpNorth posted:

gently caress those goblins and their forefathers.

The pinnacle of Morrowind weapons are lovely sewer clubs, apparently.

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.
I'm pretty sure the correct way to play Tribunal is to go there at level 2 and Sujamma your way through the sewer, instantly shattering each goblin's weapon over the head of the next.

Man Whore
Jan 6, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT SPHERICAL CATS
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i am tim! posted:

I don't think anyone in the thread or even the thread title disagrees with you there.

I do actually.

well on skyrim anyways. I would on oblivion too if it was still 2006.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Dear God, I spent half an hour just Soul Trapping my horse raising my Conjuration to 80. I'm level 17, no perks chosen, aiming for 600 health, 200 magic, 300 stamina. I know it;'s degenerate gameplay but who else has fallen in a hypnotic loop of pointless power-leveling? And just how strong is Conjure Dremora Lord?

Man Whore
Jan 6, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT SPHERICAL CATS
=3



the worst I got is casting magic spells while walking between destinations in Oblivion but if you don't do that you are just turning down free xp imo

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!
Not that I'm outright against fast travel or anything, but I always thought it would be cool if Skyrim had a Morrowind-type network of fast travel spots that would later be replaced by a Shout that would effectively work as travel. Heck, I'm 99 percent certain there's mention of such shouts in the books that mention shouting in Morrowind.

It'd certainly feel badass.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

i am tim! posted:

Not that I'm outright against fast travel or anything, but I always thought it would be cool if Skyrim had a Morrowind-type network of fast travel spots that would later be replaced by a Shout that would effectively work as travel. Heck, I'm 99 percent certain there's mention of such shouts in the books that mention shouting in Morrowind.

It'd certainly feel badass.

Outside of cities you have horse-drawn carriages. You can go talk to the driver and he'll get you to your destination via fast-travel for a small price.

This would be unremarkable but you can go to cities you haven't discovered yet. Always nice in the early game if you want to quickly set down some easy fast travel locations for your 20th playthrough.

EDIT: unless you mean this should replace fast travel as it works but eh. Just impose that challenge on yourself.

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!
Well, I just mean that it would have been kinda neat if they had integrated Fast Travel with this unique power your character has. Make it functionally identical to how the map-click method works as it does now, but with a bit more visual flare, and make it one of the earlier shouts. Obviously with the game set up as it is, that would be a lot to ask of the player, so they would need to flesh out the fast travel network that exists a great deal more.

And I do impose fast travel restrictions on myself from time to time. The Better Fast Travel mod is great for that, but it lacks the central pillar of my proposal. Just strikes me as a missed opportunity for world building, you know?

hannibal
Jul 27, 2001

[img-planes]

Man Whore posted:

Maybe next year we will get TES 6. If it takes place in Highrock so help me god I will find you Todd Howard.

You know I wouldn't really mind TES VI that takes place in NW Tamriel (Hammerfell and High Rock). It's not that much bigger than Skyrim so should be doable and I wager most people haven't played Daggerfall - I imagine most modern TES players got started with Oblivion since (I think?) it was an Xbox 360 launch title. (Yeah, Morrowind was on the original Xbox but I don't think it got nearly as much PR)

Make it about how they are fighting back against the Thalmor or something.

Brinner posted:

I'd really like to finally finish a MW play through but I just can't do it vanilla and mods confuse the poo poo out of me and I don't have the patience to have 500+ mods on the go.

OpenMW seems to be the best option, but what about Tamriel Rebuilt? Or Skywind? or any of the other myriad recreations? Last time I checked mods for this was 2013 and MGE was cool

I'd rather play OpenMW which faithfully reproduces the gameplay style of Morrowind (warts and all). I'd say do OpenMW with a selection of the best texture replacer &etc mods. Last time I poked around mods I bookmarked this thread on the STEP forums with a good set of links, there may be something better out there though. Someone needs to write up STEP for Morrowind :(

Jeff Goldblum
Dec 3, 2009

I think the one mistake I always make with modding Morrowind is using Distant Lands and whatnot. Looking back, Morrowind was one of the few games where you could tell the devs and writers were saying "it's going to take a lot of rendering fog to cover for the system's limitations, so let's put it on Vvardenfell." It's that sort of place that has dusty deserts, foggy marshes and smoky volcanic badlands. I'm half tempted to do another playthrough that way and see how it makes me feel now.

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Jeff Goldblum posted:

I think the one mistake I always make with modding Morrowind is using Distant Lands and whatnot. Looking back, Morrowind was one of the few games where you could tell the devs and writers were saying "it's going to take a lot of rendering fog to cover for the system's limitations, so let's put it on Vvardenfell." It's that sort of place that has dusty deserts, foggy marshes and smoky volcanic badlands. I'm half tempted to do another playthrough that way and see how it makes me feel now.

volumetric fog with distant land set to 10 cells imho

you can't see to the next town but you can see caves and stuff in the distance

TresTristesTigres
Feb 14, 2013

Posts from UnDeR9R0Und

Berke Negri posted:

Maybe one day I'll actually stick around long enough in a Morrowind playthrough to actually get to and do Tribunal, usually I work my way through the main quest and maybe dink around in Solstheim a bit but that's usually about it.
I liked Tribunal a lot. If you were at all interested in Morrowind's story, then I feel like Tribunal is like, required reading. It continues the unreliable narrator, everyone-is-lying-to-you kind of delivery from the main game, but by the end of Tribunal you have personally witnessed some additional Extremely Important poo poo for the Dunmer and Tamriel. The Bloodmoon gameplay was much better, but story-wise? you stop a daedroth from doing a thing that he's just going to do again later? I don't even remember.

Tasteful Dickpic posted:

I like it (e: Miraak stealing your dragon souls) because it interferes with the core mechanics and establishes Miraak as a credible threat through gameplay.

Do you get the souls back when you kill him?
Yeah that was a really good gameplay decision by Bethesda. Totally made me laugh and say "Oh, you bastard" without taking me out of the game. Gives you a reason to go after the guy that's not just, "He's the last quest in this chain"

You do get your dragon souls back, but I had to look that up because at that point in the game, you've got dragons falling out your rear end in a top hat so I didn't really notice.

Pikestaff
Feb 17, 2013

Came here to bark at you




I also liked Tribunal quite a bit. I realize it lacked the whole exploration thing but you got to crash some theater troupe's play, get a pet packrat, and then go to the Clockwork City. What's not to love?

Anyways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MnhhBoioCI

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)
Tribunal's story and content are good apart from the one point where Almalexia, who is obviously completely loving nuts at this point, orders you to use the Weather-Witch to create Ashstorms in Mournhold so as to 'demonstrate her power', i.e. 'my power to order you to do this incredibly stupid thing because my godliness has decayed to the part I couldn't do it myself so take advantage of this Dwemer technology and claim responsibility'.

But it's a real fun romp of knowing that everyone is trying to both kill you and use you to achieve their own goals at the same time. Helseth ordering you to murder his enemies and staging an attempt on his mother's life that is actually an attempt on yours, Almalexia sending you into deadly situations repeatedly. But my favorite thing is the King's Oath sword. Tienus Delitian explicitly claims the sword is enchanted to kill thieves and traitors, and is actually enchanted to take advantage of the player just glancing at the blade and saying 'ooh that's a nice sword' and completely missing the fact that it's designed to kill you. (The Fire Damage effect is on self)

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!
I like how they hung a lampshade on the fact that they had not one, not two, but THREE naked-nord-tricked-by-a-witch plots in Morrowind by having a naked nord hanging out in Mounrhold. Only he just can't stand the heat.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Because I played with Better Bodies he was always standing there with his cock and balls out instead of linens and it made me laugh when I'd see him because I always forget.

He's all like "By Yismir it's hot as Hell in these pants!"

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


i am tim! posted:

I like how they hung a lampshade on the fact that they had not one, not two, but THREE naked-nord-tricked-by-a-witch plots in Morrowind by having a naked nord hanging out in Mounrhold. Only he just can't stand the heat.

Naked nords are on the same wavelength as M'aiq, IMO.

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

i am tim! posted:

they had not one, not two, but THREE naked-nord-tricked-by-a-witch plots in Morrowind

How did this even happen, anyway?

My Q-Face
Jul 8, 2002

A dumb racist who need to kill themselves

i am tim! posted:

I like how they hung a lampshade on the fact that they had not one, not two, but THREE naked-nord-tricked-by-a-witch plots in Morrowind by having a naked nord hanging out in Mounrhold. Only he just can't stand the heat.

I remember the two between Caldera and Aldruhn, where was the third?

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender
The best quest in Morrowind was the one where the Dunmer had his pants stolen as a prank, and wouldn't leave the water without them.

Man Whore
Jan 6, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT SPHERICAL CATS
=3



raminasi posted:

How did this even happen, anyway?

you can't trust magic users friend.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

raminasi posted:

How did this even happen, anyway?

They get hired for an escort mission, get a bit too friendly (or thought "escort" implied certain things), and then...
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Recovering_Cloudcleaver
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Widowmaker_(quest)
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Paralyzed_Barbarian

Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jun 19, 2016

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011

Anyone got that YT video of morrowind where an Imperial gives no fucks and beats down Vivec with his bare hands? IIRC it had some lovely dubstep track.

TIA :)

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Node posted:

The best quest in Morrowind was the one where the Dunmer had his pants stolen as a prank, and wouldn't leave the water without them.

Hainab stole my pants!

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012

Mzbundifund posted:

I'm pretty sure the correct way to play Tribunal is to go there at level 2 and Sujamma your way through the sewer, instantly shattering each goblin's weapon over the head of the next.

I've been replaying Morrowind unmodded for the first time in 10 years and the only way I can carry all the insane amounts of dinnerware I find is by constantly drinking cheap booze until I reach a shop. I love this game

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


ESO has a naked nord quest too in the Morrowind areas though it has a bit of twist

You meet a naked nord and he tells you that he was escorting a witch and she charmed him and took all his clothes off and please don't tell my wife but it turns out he was just traveling with his wife and got blacked out drunk and took off all his clothes and went to go fight things naked like a true nord and afterwards assumed it was because of a witch and everyone is embarassed at the end.

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!

raminasi posted:

How did this even happen, anyway?

I have NO idea! Best I can figure is some quest designer came up with the basic naked-nord-witch quest idea and submitted three scenarios expecting only one to get approval. Sorta like that Finger Prince joke in Animaniacs.

dordreff
Jul 16, 2013
I'm still incredibly disappointed there were no naked nords tricked by witches in Skyrim. Magically stealing a Nord Barbarian's clothes should have been the initiation quest for the Mages' Guild.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

i am tim! posted:

I have NO idea! Best I can figure is some quest designer came up with the basic naked-nord-witch quest idea and submitted three scenarios expecting only one to get approval. Sorta like that Finger Prince joke in Animaniacs.

The same witch cursed both Nords, she has bad luck with Nord bodyguards trying to kiss her. The third guy is just too warm in Mournhold so he walks around in his underwear.

Re-reading this thread got me to try Morroblivion. Super easy to set up and everything but holy hell I forgot how gross everyone looked and how poo poo the ui was in Oblivion.

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Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Both fixable with mods - DarnUI and OCO2.

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