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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/743103894310518784

That sounds like a filibuster threat to me.

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fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

CommieGIR posted:

Uhhhh, what?

Also Dungeons and Dragons will make your children satanists.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


boom boom boom posted:

I'm not sure why gun control advocates try to skirt around the real issue with stuff like waiting periods and banning specific gun types and all that nickel and dime nonsense that could just get slapped down by a conservative court anyway. The real issue is the Second Amendment. If you want actual, substantive gun control, the second amendment needs to go.

No it doesn't. It wasn't so long ago that the prevailing legal view was that the second amendment wasn't a guarantee of an individual right to gun ownership.

DC v Heller probably isn't long for this world without Scalia, IMO.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

boom boom boom posted:

I'm not sure why gun control advocates try to skirt around the real issue with stuff like waiting periods and banning specific gun types and all that nickel and dime nonsense that could just get slapped down by a conservative court anyway. The real issue is the Second Amendment. If you want actual, substantive gun control, the second amendment needs to go.

I agree completely. Whatever reasons existed for including the 2nd amendment originally have long since evaporated and it is causing far more problems than it solves. I am firmly in favor of its repeal.

I also don't expect to see it happen before I die.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Rygar201 posted:

DC v Heller probably isn't long for this world without Scalia, IMO.

Once that's gone cities are going to start banning handguns left and right.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!


zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/743103894310518784

That sounds like a filibuster threat to me.

... Is there anything the Senate's doing that would even get held up by a filibuster?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Teddybear posted:

... Is there anything the Senate's doing that would even get held up by a filibuster?

Nah but ever since Rand Paul did that drone one, they've seen it gets media coverage.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.
There's been a sea change in US politics, and it really began when the confederate flag came down

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
According to a new CBS poll people have a +2 net approval for Hillary's response to the Orlando attacks. They had a -26 for Trump's.

According to a new ABC poll Trump's net favorability went from -23 to -41 since he became the presumptive nominee.

The Republicans simple can't let this guy be their nominee.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

This is why it's so important to end the conservative domination of the SCOTUS:
https://twitter.com/alexazura/status/743106266587791360

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
What Gun Control Advocates Can Learn From Abolitionists
Slave ownership was once as entrenched in American life as gun ownership.


quote:

I feel like after every shooting we have a little cycle where people say, “How can this be happening, we need to figure out a way to stop it,” and then it kind of goes away. I don’t want to say that there is apathy, but I feel like there is a sense of resignation, even among people who believe that something should be done. I feel like there is a certain parallel with people in the 19th century who were living in the North and had a certain distaste for slavery but would kind of shake their heads and say, “It’s just too big.”

....

So with public opinion about slavery, there were sort of flashpoints, moments of increased horror or distaste—but then for most people it would sort of vanish again.

....

“I think the NRA is wrong on the Constitution, wrong on history, and wrong on humanity.”
Manisha Sinha

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Teddybear posted:

... Is there anything the Senate's doing that would even get held up by a filibuster?

They just passed the motion to proceed on the Commerce, Justice, & Science Appropriations Act by a voice vote at 10:30, so the Senate is in a 30 hour period of considering the bill before the next vote.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine

Deteriorata posted:

I agree completely. Whatever reasons existed for including the 2nd amendment originally have long since evaporated and it is causing far more problems than it solves. I am firmly in favor of its repeal.

I also don't expect to see it happen before I die.

Gun control advocates need to talk about it. Actual change is hard, and takes years or decades, but it's never gonna happen unless the idea of repealing the second amendment is openly discussed

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!



Pass.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

The author does realize that we still had to fight a civil war to finish the job, right?

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

ComradeCosmobot posted:

The author does realize that we still had to fight a civil war to finish the job, right?

Most likely, yeah.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Solvency posted:

I will vote Hillary in the General, but I at least have a policy reason for disliking her. It wasn't long ago that she tried to ban violent video games.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/hillary-clinton-promotes-law-to-ban-violent-video-games-1.550126

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertainment_Protection_Act

The best games in the world right now aren't violent, so I don't think this would be a big deal even if it happened.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

ComradeCosmobot posted:

The author does realize that we still had to fight a civil war to finish the job, right?

We're going to find out if the 2nd amendment actually fulfills its purpose.

I'm betting no.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

ComradeCosmobot posted:

The author does realize that we still had to fight a civil war to finish the job, right?

I'm all in for burning Atlanta again.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Deteriorata posted:

I'm all in for burning Atlanta again.


https://twitter.com/ralphreed/status/743105563702108162

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/743109707263533057

real? fake? how can you know? that's the best part of herman cain

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Deteriorata posted:

I'm all in for burning Atlanta again.

We should just do that anyway.

Make it a sorta Burning man thing every year.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Deteriorata posted:

I'm all in for burning Atlanta again.

Hell yeah burn the 4th largest majority black city in the country gently caress the south

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
But Adult Swim is made in Atlanta :ohdear:

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Luigi Thirty posted:

Hell yeah burn the 4th largest majority black city in the country gently caress the south

I think when people say Atlanta they mean Buckhead and Cobb County, which honestly I can't disagree with.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Luigi Thirty posted:

Hell yeah burn the 4th largest majority black city in the country gently caress the south

Hey if a few black communities need to be destroyed for progress, that's always worked out before!

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

DemeaninDemon posted:

I'm excited for Hillary. Four more years of basically Obama policy, a generation of scotus not sucking, and following up the first black president with the first woman.

That's not even mentioning the spiteful reason of gently caress the gop.

I'm also legit excited for Hillary, although I was more excited for Bernie in the beginning. The more I learn about her, the more clear it becomes that the rhetoric against her is at least 80% total nonsense.

(However, I've been holding off on majorly celebrating until after the convention because frankly I don't need a bunch of the hardcore Bernie people I'm friends with to drag me into pointless arguments about how Bernie can still totally win this thing. I'm tired of having that dumb conversation.)

For me personally, and I suspect for many other women, the fact that she's a woman is exciting NOT because it checks off a box or because of 'identity politics' or whatever - it's because she has a very solid record of advocating for women's and children's needs, and understands them in a way that even the most sympathetic man really just can't. When I read the transcript of her speech to Planned Parenthood it was honestly kind of stunning to see a presidential candidate use the words "we" and "us" and "our history" while talking about abortion and contraception.

showbiz_liz fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jun 15, 2016

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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haveblue posted:

Didn't the Supreme Court put a pretty solid smackdown on that movement? It's not going to rise again.

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Entertainment_Merchants_Ass%27n

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Shillary posted:

I think when people say Atlanta they mean Buckhead and Cobb County, which honestly I can't disagree with.

It's got nothing to do with the residents per se. It's the very definition of uncontrolled urban sprawl without any design or planning. I spent two hours on 285 yesterday stuck in traffic in the middle of the afternoon. There is no rush hour - it's gridlock 24/7 on all roads.

Evacuate the people, burn it all down, and start over again.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
It was a few pages ago that we dismissed the possibility of a Libertarian as an alternative, but in Arizona, it's not so crazy.

I don't know if there are any videos of the 2010 gubernatorial debate, but the Republican incumbent Jan Brewer was a complete mess.

The Democratic candidate Terry Goddard was taking the debate seriously. Barry Hess, the Libertarian, was there to debate seriously. The Green Party guy just seemed happy to be invited. Jan Brewer... She was an absolute wreck.

Edit:

C-SPAN saved it:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?295287-1/arizona-governor-debate

Just watch the opening statements.

Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jun 15, 2016

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/743110378272350208

Anyone wanna take a shot at interpreting this augury

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc
Also the violent video games thing wasn't really talked about after Sandy Hook, and that dude was a literal video-games-all-day playing shut-in.

If it were 2002 that would have been all we would have heard about.

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

THE SOUND A WET FART MAKES

Considering how little Welch talks in that episode and how much they poo poo on conservatives you might want to give it a listen.

But by all means stick to your echo chambers.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/743110378272350208

Anyone wanna take a shot at interpreting this augury

what the gently caress just happened

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

zoux posted:

Anyone wanna take a shot at interpreting this augury

The Republican position on the no-fly-list-gun-ban has been to require the FBI/ATF to file a case to block someone from buying the weapon each time they're alerted of the sale. If the case takes longer to be heard by a judge than the waiting period for the sale, welp, that guy just got a gun!

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/743110378272350208

Anyone wanna take a shot at interpreting this augury

Interpreting it as the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to non-citizens of the US?

Which didn't really help in this case since the dude was born in the US but hey.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
Blue's News is the white CNN!

The 90s are back baby!

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

It was a few pages ago that we dismissed the possibility of a Libertarian as an alternative, but in Arizona, it's not so crazy.

I don't know if there are any videos of the 2010 gubernatorial debate, but the Republican incumbent Jan Brewer was a complete mess.

The Democratic candidate Terry Goddard was taking the debate seriously. Barry Hess, the Libertarian, was there to debate seriously. The Green Party guy just seemed happy to be invited. Jan Brewer... She was an absolute wreck.

And then she won anyway, right?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Luigi Thirty posted:

Hell yeah burn the 4th largest majority black city in the country gently caress the south

How about CNN HQ at least?

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Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/743110378272350208

Anyone wanna take a shot at interpreting this augury
'terrorists convicted in a court of law (who have thus already committed gun crimes) should definitely not be allowed to own guns. Otherwise open season innocent until proven guilty guns for all woo'

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