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RFC2324 posted:This is true, but beware of impostor syndrome and remember to reach when you look for new jobs. Reading this thread gives me impostor syndrome and I've been working in IT in one form or another for over a decade. 
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LochNessMonster posted:What is imposter syndrome? When you convince yourself you have no idea what you're doing, even though you're doing a good job and things are running well. Happens to everyone I think. I know there's been days when I'll spend a whole day realizing I have no idea what I'm doing, say setting up SSO or something. But then 3 days later you get told you did a great job and wow you're good at this. It always feels fake.
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LochNessMonster posted:What is imposter syndrome? Thinking you aren't good enough for the job you have and worried constantly that someone will find out.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:21
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mayodreams posted:IT is an unskilled trade: this is so absurd it is essentially trolling. Yes, like others have said, there is a wide breadth of positions in the field. Some are script monkeys that don't require much skill. However, when you get to mid level administrator and higher up to a senior engineer / architect, if you don't have a wealth of skills and knowledge, you and your employer are in a world of hurt at some point in the future.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:24
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anthonypants posted:I can pretty much guarantee you that those engineers or architects do not consider what they do to be "IT work". IT is a subset of the much larger tech industry and is not as broad a field as you make it out to be. So... How would you define IT?
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Antioch posted:When you convince yourself you have no idea what you're doing, even though you're doing a good job and things are running well. GreenNight posted:Thinking you aren't good enough for the job you have and worried constantly that someone will find out. Ah yes, I suppose everyone runs intothat from time to time.
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Can 100% confirm I have had the "I have no idea what the gently caress I'm doing" projects. They always turn out well, but the learning process is a stark reminder to not let yourself stagnate in the industry.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:43
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anthonypants posted:I can pretty much guarantee you that those engineers or architects do not consider what they do to be "IT work". IT is a subset of the much larger tech industry and is not as broad a field as you make it out to be. What is an engineer or architect doing if they're not doing IT.
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anthonypants posted:I can pretty much guarantee you that those engineers or architects do not consider what they do to be "IT work". IT is a subset of the much larger tech industry and is not as broad a field as you make it out to be. Someone architecting and building a new VDI/internal certificate authority/SAN/etc deployment is IT.
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nominal posted:
I worked as an independent contractor for the cable company. I'd follow cable techs for installs of wireless routers, static IP modems, and general internet troubleshooting stuff for commercial AND residential and I can 100% corroborate. It was awful and at times traumatic and just plain unhealthy and all I did was work with computers. The cable guys had it MUCH worse. Crawling through attics in FL heat, in lovely crawlspaces and dealing with horrible people. We live in a first world country and I saw some truly deplorable poo poo... Literally. Made a ton of money, but I'll never do that again. Also: gently caress hoarders.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:16
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ChubbyThePhat posted:Can 100% confirm I have had the "I have no idea what the gently caress I'm doing" projects. They always turn out well, but the learning process is a stark reminder to not let yourself stagnate in the industry. I go through a roller coaster of being totally kickass and feeling great about things for a few days, then feeling like I'm in over my head other days.
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anthonypants posted:I can pretty much guarantee you that those engineers or architects do not consider what they do to be "IT work". IT is a subset of the much larger tech industry and is not as broad a field as you make it out to be. I am the senior systems engineer for my company's infrastructure, which is analogous to systems architect in some places. As the senior engineer, I am doing more overarching projects like consolidating our many Active Directory forests, integrating AD authentication to various products and applications, replacing old and broken infrastructure (bind and dhcpd) with modern and redundant solutions, and driving all of our infrastructure to be more resilient. Yes I end up doing things like standing up servers, GPO, and other admin tasks, but what I do at any level is certainly 'IT work" as it deals the core services of the company. If not 'IT work", then what is that?
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So is it Windows 7 or the printer manufacturers that have poo poo drivers? I guess it keeps us in work but our Xerox drivers having to be thrown out and reg entries cleared seems like a large measure to fix what should not happen. Our printers are given out via group policy along with drivers but every now and then we get a) prints with wingdings/garbage b) nothing coming out c) preferences being set to some windows default I feel bad for the users. 
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Oh yeah printer drivers doing weird poo poo... once in a while some users have their HP universal driver suddenly reconfigured to print a watermark across the page, reading literally "[NONE]". Which happens to be the text of the "do not print a watermark" in the watermark selection dropdown, except here it has been configured as a literal string to use. What software fucks that up.
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anthonypants posted:I can pretty much guarantee you that those engineers or architects do not consider what they do to be "IT work". IT is a subset of the much larger tech industry and is not as broad a field as you make it out to be. this is a mighty stupid hill you're digging in on
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Our technical architect considers what he does to be "IT WORK", I just asked. He designs datacenters for our clients, everything from hvac, to layout and what systems/devices they're going to use to meet their demand (and to meet 20-30% growth, perhaps more, I forget what he said before when I asked about it). Do you know what IT stands for? let me help you with some dumb wiki stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology if you need more info, further research can be done by clicking this link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+information+technology I'm bored and angry at the moment.
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Hi guys my first week at my IT job has been going really swell! Sorry for setting off this stupid tangent.
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Lilli posted:Hi guys my first week at my IT job has been going really swell! Sorry for setting off this stupid tangent. Congrats on the new not-lovely job.
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Tab8715 posted:it's overpaid and cushy? In comparison to what? Veterinary services, firefighters, non sworn police, social workers, healthcare administrators, legal workers who are not attorneys, cab drivers, construction workers, teachers, nannies, fishermen, farmers, property managers, sales, food service. The physical demands and required experience are much lower for the same level of pay at almost any other job.
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lampey posted:Veterinary services, firefighters, non sworn police, social workers, healthcare administrators, legal workers who are not attorneys, cab drivers, construction workers, teachers, nannies, fishermen, farmers, property managers, sales, food service. The physical demands and required experience are much lower for the same level of pay at almost any other job. Wow. That list makes you look very unknowledgeable about quite a few disciplines. Why do you think a systems administrator puts up with less bullshit than a cashier at McDonalds? Veterinarians, despite going to school for anatomy, aren't like doctors. Most of them learned about canine and feline anatomy and give general advice for $200 per visit. The education level is similar to system administrators and yet they generally make a lot more. Of course, you might mean vet techs, but they go to school to get a rubber stamp from your state. A lot of them are candidates for balsa wood Legal workers who aren't attorneys? You mean the paralegals that tend to make 50K per year to enter and 70+k per year if they show they aren't drooling morons? Or are you talking about the legal industry's 1099 indentured servants making $20 an hour? Both still do better than most help desk jobs. Farmers? Have you seen a farm since the 1850s? It's not like cowboys on a cattle drive. For crop farming, you sit in a tractor five to ten weeks a year and then do minor repairs on watering systems (unless your farm is left to rot, and then you do major repairs on watering systems). For animal farming, you bring out feed. By hand if it's less than 100 head and by tractor, again, if it's more than 100 head and then do maintenance on the cattle and gates. It's hardly "demanding" anymore though it can get overwhelming....much like IT. (Also, note that farmers make the rough equivalent of wet dirt unless they are part of a conglomerate.) There are still a few farm types that need manual labor, but then you are talking about il/legal immigrants in this country who are paid beans. Are you trying to say that since immigrants make nothing, IT workers should make nothing? On top of those that I know about above, you obviously don't understand the chest of knowledge that your average IT worker needs to have just to perform most IT jobs. The fact that you can see them sitting around doing nothing is because they have the knowledge set to clear emergencies before they happen or quickly when they happen. That doesn't make it cushy and it's rare to have a field where ongoing education isn't just a good thing to have, it's a foundational requirement for performing the job well.
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lampey posted:Veterinary services, firefighters, non sworn police, social workers, healthcare administrators, legal workers who are not attorneys, cab drivers, construction workers, teachers, nannies, fishermen, farmers, property managers, sales, food service. The physical demands and required experience are much lower for the same level of pay at almost any other job. Lets compare office jobs to non-office jobs. As far as the actual office jobs in your list, all of them can be more or less stressful than IT and can all pay/less more than IT.
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sorry that my thinking mans brain job pays more than digging ditches
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lampey posted:Veterinary services, firefighters, non sworn police, social workers, healthcare administrators, legal workers who are not attorneys, cab drivers, construction workers, teachers, nannies, fishermen, farmers, property managers, sales, food service. The physical demands and required experience are much lower for the same level of pay at almost any other job. This is why I chose IT instead of those other fields, though. I like the privilege of browsing SA while I stare at my loading bars.
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go3 posted:sorry that my thinking mans brain job pays more than digging ditches It doesn't, though. Traditional construction workers start out at 45-50K and in high demand years can put in enough overtime to hit 80+k. The problem is that he's making assumptions for everything from "help desk bitch" to "One of the six remaining COBOL programs that are in their 90s" and then comparing an out-of-the-rear end average of "70k" to compare to a bunch of other broad spectrums of jobs, many of which he doesn't know much about beyond seeing the "salary" entry on something like glass door.
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Jun 15, 2016 22:48
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This thread can go on some weird tangents but this is one of the strangest.
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lampey posted:Veterinary services, firefighters, non sworn police, social workers, healthcare administrators, legal workers who are not attorneys, cab drivers, construction workers, teachers, nannies, fishermen, farmers, property managers, sales, food service. The physical demands and required experience are much lower for the same level of pay at almost any other job. The fact that only some of these people aren't paid what they're worth doesn't make IT workers overpaid.
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Do we derail it with recruiter chat, at-will employment misconceptions or talking about booze?
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Thanks Ants posted:Do we derail it with recruiter chat, at-will employment misconceptions or talking about booze? How about what Booze is most likely to keep your At Will Recruiter from Mucking with your resume and sending you to Robert-Half?
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Update: Talked to CEO, he is ok with going vertical on the Ethernet jacks if we have to but it has to be a last resort. Board layout guy can push the jacks back 4mm more, but it would be out of spec for POE.
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RFC2324 posted:Every place I have worked has combined QA and staging. Essentially the logic is both are environments for seeing if things break while in use, so why do it twice? Usually because QA is in charge of the QA environment, IT/DevOps is in charge of the staging environment. If QA says a change needs to be made to the environment, you make it to staging, take the package/script/update from QA, apply it, test it, then do the same to prod.
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Arsten posted:It doesn't, though. Traditional construction workers start out at 45-50K and in high demand years can put in enough overtime to hit 80+k. The problem is that he's making assumptions for everything from "help desk bitch" to "One of the six remaining COBOL programs that are in their 90s" and then comparing an out-of-the-rear end average of "70k" to compare to a bunch of other broad spectrums of jobs, many of which he doesn't know much about beyond seeing the "salary" entry on something like glass door. Are you talking about NYC or Bay Area? If not, the construction worker part is laughably wrong. Maybe some of the bigger companies pay that well, but the vast majority of them don't.
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Can I just say that within the context of a thread titled "working in IT", I don't know why I have to hear about construction workers or paralegals or really anyone else? This thread is about drinking, announcing your new jobs, and occasional meltdowns.
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I work at a startup again, 60 hour weeks are the norm. This one unlike rackspace actually has a poo poo ton of financial backing so I finally get that cool startup perks like free food and kegs in the office. As I left tonight people were playing beer pong. It's also in NYC so I get to spend a couple weeks every other month in NYC being a stupid tourist. 
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jaegerx posted:I work at a startup again, 60 hour weeks are the norm. This one unlike rackspace actually has a poo poo ton of financial backing so I finally get that cool startup perks like free food and kegs in the office. As I left tonight people were playing beer pong. Food isn't a perk if you are working 60 hours a week. Actually nothing is a perk if you are working 60 hours a week. You are actually working yourself silly to make someone else a lot of money, or at least the hope of them making a lot of money.
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Sickening posted:Food isn't a perk if you are working 60 hours a week. Actually nothing is a perk if you are working 60 hours a week. You are actually working yourself silly to make someone else a lot of money, or at least the hope of them making a lot of money. The trick is to make sure you're getting paid in company stock so you can cash out when you hit it big. Methanar fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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Methanar posted:The trick is to make sure you're getting paid in company stock so you can cash out when you hit it big. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPJM57TrC2M Rule #1: Get the money first Rule #2: Don't forget to get the money. The thing you have to watch out for with "company stock" is that you don't get into some weird golden handcuff situation. I had a co-worker smugly tell me once I took stock options and RSUs that I couldn't go anywhere else because of all the money I'd lose. Yeah, ok guy let me base my willingness to stay at this company on that "magic money" that might or might not happen, thanks for the nice perk though.
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Sickening posted:Food isn't a perk if you are working 60 hours a week. Actually nothing is a perk if you are working 60 hours a week. You are actually working yourself silly to make someone else a lot of money, or at least the hope of them making a lot of money. Meh it's like 40 actual work and then checking slack and email occasionally. I'm never gonna kill myself again for a company. I'd list all the perks but I don't really care too. It's nice to be in funded startup land again. I cashed out very nicely last time so hopefully it works out again. *actual work being checking on tickets escalated to me while catching up on Silicon Valley E: the commute from my bed to desk is also pretty rough. jaegerx fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Are you talking about NYC or Bay Area? If not, the construction worker part is laughably wrong. Maybe some of the bigger companies pay that well, but the vast majority of them don't. That's direct experience (As in, I've seen the payroll detail) with about ten different construction companies across four midwestern states.
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