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PC LOAD LETTER posted:But Vega isn't in question even if we don't know its specs. It is coming, just like the 1060 is coming, which we also don't have much in the way of details on either. What I meant is that Vega's specs are in question, I had thought that was completely obvious. We know plenty about the 1060 because we know it will be based on GP104's design and targeted to compete with the RX480. What happens if Vega comes out and it's about as impressive as Fury X was? I hope Vega comes out an is more powerful and cheaper than the Titan 10 or whatever the top end Nvidia card for this gen is, and by a significant margin too, because that is what AMD needs to do if they want to regain any significant degree of market share, they need to beat Nvidia on both price and performance at the top end if they want to convince a significant portion of the market to switch to their products.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:42
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Jun 15, 2016 18:42
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Khorne posted:There is no mystery here: AMD's drivers are trash. I would pay an extra $150 for a card to not use AMD drivers. They really aren't. This is actually getting to the point of meme-level poo poo now, and really hasn't a place on SH/SC.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:44
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Khorne posted:There is no mystery here: AMD's drivers are trash. I would pay an extra $150 for a card to not use AMD drivers. I'd have had no regrets if I had to pay $50 to switch from my 970 to my 290 (rather than coming out right about dead even) because the drivers have been flat out better from AMD. I got game ready drivers for Total Warhammer rather than the poor performance the 970 got. I didn't get to experience the joys of the 364 driver branch with my multi monitor setup. I don't have to run a kludged-rear end setup with Nvidia Inspector to keep my GPU from running full 3d clocks and heating my room. I don't have anything like the two serious annoying bugs I had when I still had my 970 that took months to fix. The worst (and only) issue so far is a video flickering bug that's easy to work around and fixed after maybe two weeks.
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xthetenth posted:Hopefully they execute well, because I'm not one of the people who want them to compete just so they can get their NV cards cheaper Also I'm not sure their "we want to get nvidia cards cheaper  " argument holds up if they're willing to pay $100 over MSRP just to get something that'll get owned twice over in 8 months from the same company. They'll pay whatever Nvidia asks for their stripped-down consumer crap.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:45
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Right, but the question that will forever eternally hang in the air is, "Did Intel's anti-competitive business practices put it into a position that they could increase funding to their R&D division and come out with a killer product in response to AMDX64?" followed by, "Did Intel's anti-competitive business practices magnify the market share gains of their better product?". On top of this, their compiler suite would (and still does) compile a little check into the programs it builds - if the compiled program isn't running on a "Genuine Intel (R)" brand CPU then it turns off all optimizations because hey maybe AMD is lying about supporting extensions that have been standard for 15 years. Intel C++ Compiler is still extremely popular in the commercial world, frankly because it's the best compiler out there.
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Prescription Combs posted:They were trash. Aren't the Crimson drivers a huge improvement? https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/3vhwds/mouse_cursor_corruption_bug_amd_for_real_fix_this/ This bug that annoyed the hell out of me in 2010 still existed as recently as six months ago and probably still does. "It's an OS issue man" that doesn't effect intel/nvidia. wicka posted:have you ever actually owned an AMD card I also help family and internet video game friends with game related tech issues and the issue is almost always an amd card. I am also seriously considering buying the new generation AMD card that is coming out. I am only wishy-washy on it because of driver issues I've experienced in the past, and that might make me decide not to buy it whether it is fixed or not. If I am in this position then other people might be as well. Khorne fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 18:57
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Both Nvidia and AMD have had their share of poo poo drivers. Where I will give Nvidia an edge is the control panel and software, that might have changed with Crimson(God I hope so) but Catalyst Control Center can eat a bag of dicks. Switching to a 970 and having the control panel just open instead of causing my computer to hang for over a minute while CCC does God Knows What was amazing. EDIT: Oh god the mouse cursor corruption bug still exists? Good lord, I dealt with that crap all the way from 2008 til I switched to Nvidia in 2014. 
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Right, but the question that will forever eternally hang in the air is, "Did Intel's anti-competitive business practices put it into a position that they could increase funding to their R&D division and come out with a killer product in response to AMDX64?" followed by, "Did Intel's anti-competitive business practices magnify the market share gains of their better product?". oh you're absolutely right, i just thought it was odd that everyone jumped to intel's anti-competitive business tactics when the beginning of AMD's real troubles came when intel utilized the fruits of those tactics to start producing superior products. intel has been underhanded for decades but AMD wasn't struggling when they only had to compete with netburst.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Both Nvidia and AMD have had their share of poo poo drivers. Where I will give Nvidia an edge is the control panel and software, that might have changed with Crimson(God I hope so) but Catalyst Control Center can eat a bag of dicks. Switching to a 970 and having the control panel just open instead of causing my computer to hang for over a minute while CCC does God Knows What was amazing. I've never personally seen any kind of mouse cursor corruption, so I'm not aware of it. However, the Crimson control panel opens immediately. A huge difference from the dick-holding of CCC.
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My 980 Ti is here, installed in my PC, all registered and invoice uploaded. That was fast, literally 36 hours between the order and the card being inside my PC. They must have overnighted it. If you open a chat session with customer support they will email you a regular Newegg invoice for your eBay storefront purchase. Note that the invoice date here may be different from the date you sent the eBay order, presumably because they have to manually enter eBay sales into their system. My eBay order went in Monday night but my invoice date is listed as Tuesday 8:32 AM. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 19:07
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nvidia's drivers were superior to AMD's for quite some time but to suggest that you'd pay a $150 premium to avoid AMD drivers is a baffling stance that isn't really supported by reality crimson is a lot better but it's not all the way there in terms of the control panel UI. it still throws you back into CCC for things like scaling.
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HalloKitty posted:They really aren't. This is actually getting to the point of meme-level poo poo now, and really hasn't a place on SH/SC. They aren't anymore by all accounts, but they were not great for a long time. It'll take a while before that goes away. There is no shortage of driver complaints
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So for people who've been through paper launches before, just how long does this poo poo last? Like when should I reasonably expect to be able to get a 1070? July? August? November 2017? EDIT: VVVVV- Today? Doubtful. macnbc fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 19:31
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macnbc posted:So for people who've been through paper launches before, just how long does this poo poo last? if you are willing to pay the FE premium you could probably get one today
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wicka posted:nvidia's drivers were superior to AMD's for quite some time but to suggest that you'd pay a $150 premium to avoid AMD drivers is a baffling stance that isn't really supported by reality Ehhh, I disagree, if you have had bad enough experiences with a product or company I can see just swearing off their products period. macnbc posted:So for people who've been through paper launches before, just how long does this poo poo last? Best case: Today. Worst case: I'd guess some point in August? Every launch is different. Also stop calling a launch where people do, in fact have actual working product a paper launch, it makes you look silly. 
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Jun 15, 2016 19:41
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I was hoping for a lazy evening of Witcher 3 (finally!) but it looks less and less likely that my 1080 will ship this week, or this month. 
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wicka posted:oh you're absolutely right, i just thought it was odd that everyone jumped to intel's anti-competitive business tactics when the beginning of AMD's real troubles came when intel utilized the fruits of those tactics to start producing superior products. intel has been underhanded for decades but AMD wasn't struggling when they only had to compete with netburst. Surprisingly enough, some people hold a grudge when the houses of your enemies are built upon the bodies of your dead. Just saying. 
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Jun 15, 2016 19:46
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Khorne posted:There is no mystery here: AMD's drivers are trash. I would pay an extra $150 for a card to not use AMD drivers. Counterpoint: nvidia's drivers are equally trash. Source: I've actually owned cards from both companies.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Ehhh, I disagree, if you have had bad enough experiences with a product or company I can see just swearing off their products period. a bit childish, no? things can and do change.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:54
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Yes and yes. Though you must have an insanely tight fit if the 2-3mm of a backplate is going to make a significant difference. the modular power connectors are literally pressing against the back of my backplateless 290x maybe i'll just flog the sfx-l psu and just get a standard sfx model - if i end up getting a 1070 it's going to be peanuts compared to that anyway
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macnbc posted:So for people who've been through paper launches before, just how long does this poo poo last? 1070's have come in stock like 3 times today on newegg.com
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29631178&postcount=1735quote:Hi All
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So wait, this guy is saying production on the FTW begins next week, while the other guy has been saying that they were shipping this week? It sounds like some managers over in manufacturing in china were on holiday and people have just been making things up for the last week, lol.
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macnbc posted:So for people who've been through paper launches before, just how long does this poo poo last? zotac 1070 is literally on Amazon right now
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fozzy fosbourne posted:So wait, this guy is saying production on the FTW begins next week, while the other guy has been saying that they were shipping this week? It sounds like some managers over in manufacturing in china were on holiday and people have just been making things up for the last week, lol. I'm curious what's going on here: Solvency posted:Got a shipping notification from EVGA, expected delivery is Thursday for the 1080 FTW. Order time according to email was 6:57
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Naffer posted:Do AMD and Nvidia GPU's still refuse to downclock if you run more than one monitor at non-identical resolutions? My 290 doesn't run particularly low clocks but sure isn't running high clocks, my 970 needed a workaround with NV inspector.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I'm curious what's going on here: Well, I'll find out tomorrow and post pictures when it arrives. My guess is the EU spokesperson doesn't know about the US side of things. Edit from below: Larrymer posted:They probably just created a shipping label, who knows though. No, it has definitely shipped and has moved between two different UPS warehouses in California. Solvency fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 20:22
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Sir Kodiak posted:I'm curious what's going on here: They probably just created a shipping label, who knows though.
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Maybe they manufactured a small batch for review samples and then sent the excess out for EVGA preorders and a few lucky folks shopping at newegg. https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/743112815351734272  e: evga_Jacob ftw, evga_ben ftl: https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/743160825964175362 fozzy fosbourne fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Naffer posted:Do AMD and Nvidia GPU's still refuse to downclock if you run more than one monitor at non-identical resolutions? I have a side monitor at 1080p/60hz, and my 970 downclocks fully with the main 1440p one at 120/144hz but doesn't go below 900mhz at 165hz. Good enough 
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Jun 15, 2016 20:29
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Ugh I'm getting a growing temptation to attempt to flip my G1 1070 already. That is, if it actually ships today
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Naffer posted:Do AMD and Nvidia GPU's still refuse to downclock if you run more than one monitor at non-identical resolutions? The core clocks drop as expected on AMD GPUs, but the memory clock does not, and stays unnecessarily high. From my experience, anyway.
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macnbc posted:So for people who've been through paper launches before, just how long does this poo poo last? I  d the gently caress out of Newegg last night when I saw Gigabyte was going to launch their G1 1070s at midnight and managed to order one (hasn't shipped yet though  ) so if you're really lucky you might get one at any time. Use the part tracker website and alerts if nothing else.AVeryLargeRadish posted:Also stop calling a launch where people do, in fact have actual working product a paper launch, it makes you look silly. I liked the "if someone announces a product and you can't buy it that's a paper launch" definition earlier. I guess that means E3 is days and days of paper launches and not just announcements and marketing hype.
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There's gotta be something inbetween a paper-launch and a full-launch. If not someone needs to make one - Like a pat-launch, or other androgynous name
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limp launchEvil Fluffy posted:I I was actually going to ask in this thread if anybody's has shipped yet as mine hasn't either. But, its only 1:30 in CA and shipper pickups are always late so I'm still hopeful. They did charge my card though so that's actually a good sign penus penus penus fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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HalloKitty posted:The core clocks drop as expected on AMD GPUs, but the memory clock does not, and stays unnecessarily high. From my experience, anyway. This is sort of my experience on an old 5770. It downclocks the core to 400 MHz (normal idle is ~150 MHz) but leaves the memory at full tilt. I was hoping something had changed.
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Ninkobei posted:There's gotta be something inbetween a paper-launch and a full-launch. If not someone needs to make one - Like a pat-launch, or other androgynous name Nah, "paper launch" is just meaningless doublespeak
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