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I bought a Chrysler 200 literally 4 days before Marchionne went on national news and told everyone that production was being halted and that all the remaining 200s are just going to be dumped on Enterprise. I can't prove it but I am 99% certain the used car value guide I was using went and slashed $3k off the wholesale price overnight. but it's OK I know that deep down inside he still loves me 
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Throatwarbler posted:I bought a Chrysler 200 literally 4 days before Marchionne went on national news and told everyone that production was being halted and that all the remaining 200s are just going to be dumped on Enterprise. I can't prove it but I am 99% certain the used car value guide I was using went and slashed $3k off the wholesale price overnight. He doesn't and the only cure is to buy a Fiat 500e just to piss him off.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:15
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based on the stories i have heard serge doesn't love anyone or anything
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Jun 14, 2016 21:05
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Hi, my 14 Ford Focus got totaled and that made me sad. I'm looking at four-door sedans for 14-16k. The two little features I can no longer forgo are Bluetooth and automatic lights. I've been looking around on Carmax and I find that all the Civics (basically the first car I thought about when I wanted a used car) with automatic lights (14 EX or 13 EX-L) are like a grand or two above my price range. I found some Buick Veranos that fit my criteria and from what I've read online, they are a good, kinda upscale car with solid reviews. I admit, I am personally a little doubtful about buying a Buick, especially one that has only existed for a couple of years and will soon no longer be sold in the US. Does anyone have any experience with the car? I know it's impossible to prognosticate the future, but should I only be looking at Japanese cars if I want something I can reliably drive for the next 7 years? To be honest, I'm just afraid of buying a car that turns out to be a lemon and my fiancée's dad (a Honda, Toyota, Suburu only kind of guy) would basically think I'm a chump for the rest of my days.
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Jun 16, 2016 04:26
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seriously reconsider your automatic lights requirement
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Jun 16, 2016 13:10
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:seriously reconsider your automatic lights requirement yeah this is a pretty weird one, I have automatic lights and it's not a big feature for me. Is there a physical disability that's keeping you from reaching over and grabbing the light switch? In my past 3 cars I ran lights on all the time, just reached over, turned on lights, and turned off lights when I got somewhere, it was automatic in my brain.
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Jun 16, 2016 13:16
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are you saying it's a bad car
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Jun 16, 2016 13:40
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Your automatic lights requirement means you are going to end up paying more money for features you don't need. You will spend thousands of dollars over the lifetime of the car because you require automatic headlights because these features are included in higher trim packages that include other things that drive up cost and are likely to brea. It will limit the availability of used inventory for you to find a car. The Verano is fine. It's a really fancy Chevy Cruze, basically. I think it's ugly and the interior is low rent trying to be luxurious. Buicks are fairly reliable according to the data. HEY EVERYONE, YET AGAIN: the fact that a model is being discontinued does not mean that it will be hard to get it supported in the future. pretty much every car on the road shares 40-80% of its components with another car built by the same manufacturer, and the manufacturer is interested in maintaining parts support for most models because parts and service is a highly profitable component of the company (over 50% of profits come from aftersales). Unless the manufacturer is completely exiting the US market (Saab, etc), parts support will not be an issue. Even if the manufacturer is completely exiting the US market, you will still get decent parts support for over a decade since the business of parts distribution will be sold to a third party that can make money off of it. Any car that you, the average person, could possibly consider buying will be supported effectively for the practical lifetime of the vehicle. You're not going to be buying 1994 Alfa 164LS and Peugeot 504s.
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Jun 16, 2016 13:52
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dongsbot 9000 posted:are you saying it's a bad car You can do much better than a grandpa-branded chevy cruze without such a weird niche requirement is all. Or just find a car that turns the lights off automatically when you shut the car off and leave them on all the time, same difference.
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Jun 16, 2016 13:58
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My wife's base model 2006 Grand Prix had automatic lights, as did my 2003 grand marquis, so it's not like there aren't cheap cars that have it. Maybe it's a ford/gm thing though.
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Jun 16, 2016 14:35
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Go drive one and see if you like it? The Verano has different(from the Cruze) and more plush seats than most other compacts on the market, as well as more sound deadening for a silent ride, but those are hard to describe on internet car forums. I think it might be worth it for some people but probably not for you, if you're fine with a Civic it doesn't really add much more to what a Civic offers, the main thing is that you can get a more powerful 2.4l engine and a much more powerful turbo engine, with a stick, but it doesn't sound like that's what you are looking for and you'll be paying a lot more in fuel costs for the privilege. Most people don't have any reliability issues with most new cars these days other than some outliers (FIAT, MINI, JLR) but most stats still show GM and Ford to be behind Toyota/Honda, it wouldn't stop me from buying a car I otherwise like but if your main concern is reliability you can't go wrong just sticking with Japanese. powderific posted:My wife's base model 2006 Grand Prix had automatic lights, as did my 2003 grand marquis, so it's not like there aren't cheap cars that have it. Maybe it's a ford/gm thing though. Those were like the most expensive car models made by those respective brands back in the day, theoretically quit a few classes above a contemporary Civic, for which the segment competitor would have been the Sunfire/Escort, so not "cheap" cars at all. They feel cheap today, but that's a Ford/GM thing though. 
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Jun 16, 2016 14:54
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I'm so used to them being lovely used cars that I forget anyone ever bought them new.
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Jun 16, 2016 15:06
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I showed up kinda late to Carmax last night without an appointment so I only test drove one car. I had one car transferring from a different lot (a 2013 Prius w/ 42k miles that I didn't notice was a rental until after I authorised the transfer), but it wasn't ready yet. I had read about the 2013 Buick Verano so I test-drove a 14 Verano Leather which was very nice, but out of my price range. I can get a 13 Buick Verano ($15k, 24k miles) transferred once the Prius is on the lot. I mentioned I also wanted to test-drive a Honda Civic to the Carmax guy, and we went on an adventure hunting for one w/ automatic lights before realising that only the 13 EX-L or the 14 EX have them, both of which are basically out of my price range. Looking at my local Carmax again, I see that there's a 13 Cruze LT with a  turbocharged engine and automatic lights ($14.6k, 31K miles) that I'll give a try on Friday when I head back to Carmax. I haven't driven a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla made in the last ten years so I haven't really had a chance to just sit and drive them to figure out how I'd like them. I've been looking at some pictures online and their cloth seats and interior of the lower trims just seem really cheap to me. From what it seems like to my initial research and impressions, the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla maintain a higher value so their prices are higher or as high compared to American cars with more features. I just don't know whether that means I should take advantage of the "market inefficiency" of American cars or if I'm just being a complete sucker by thinking about them.
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Jun 16, 2016 16:04
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And I guess I could live w/o automatic lights but it's just a little perk I've gotten used to, and it'd feel like a step-back in my car-owning life if I got a car w/o the auto lights again.
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Jun 16, 2016 16:06
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It's weird how people cling to little features like that, I wish I could understand why better. Is it a feature that's on your parents or other respected person's car and you feel like without it you are taking a step backward? Like your socioeconomic status isn't as high as you think it is if you make that sacrifice, or someone would be disappointed in you if you didn't have that useless faux luxury feature? Or am I reading way too much into this? I'm genuinely curious, I see little hangups like that all the time when it comes to cars and homes and can't understand them to save my life. Obviously flipping the switch twice a day (worst case scenario, probably more like twice a week on average) is not a huge problem, so what is it?
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Jun 16, 2016 16:40
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I really don't have a good reason for it. My last car had them, and then my car was taken away from me by someone else running into me at a high speed (who incidentally did not have auto insurance). If I get a car without the perks of my last car, that means I let the vagaries of fate make my life just a little bit worse. Weird and petty, and I'll live if I don't get a car without auto lights but that's just the weirdo hang-up I have. 
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Jun 16, 2016 16:50
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Pryor on Fire posted:I'm genuinely curious, I see little hangups like that all the time when it comes to cars and homes and can't understand them to save my life. Obviously flipping the switch twice a day (worst case scenario, probably more like twice a week on average) is not a huge problem, so what is it? http://jalopnik.com/this-uk-documentary-about-company-cars-puts-american-ps-1744270834 You can't be a chump driving a base model or you won't respect yourself.
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Jun 16, 2016 16:57
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Automatic lights suck since you can't enjoy driving by moon and starlight with the lights off.
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Jun 16, 2016 17:02
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I like automatic lights. Sometimes for a non-car person little features can be the thing that they like most. If you had it on a car you liked and didn't want to get rid of and someone totaled it I can see how it'd feel lovely to not have this little thing that you liked. My G35 had dimming rear and side mirrors and I still kindof miss it. I seriously doubt dongsbot wants it as a social climber thing. Even if it might make sense to let go of that feature, can you really not see why a person would be bummed to lose something they liked on their last vehicle?
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Jun 16, 2016 17:12
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mastershakeman posted:Automatic lights suck since you can't enjoy driving by moon and starlight with the lights off. Automatic lights arent lights that you cant turn off? Whats the joke here? Just keep a set of night vision goggles in your car, additionally useful for evading the five oh.
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Jun 16, 2016 17:18
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powderific posted:I like automatic lights. Sometimes for a non-car person little features can be the thing that they like most. If you had it on a car you liked and didn't want to get rid of and someone totaled it I can see how it'd feel lovely to not have this little thing that you liked. My G35 had dimming rear and side mirrors and I still kindof miss it. I seriously doubt dongsbot wants it as a social climber thing. I feel like this about the no-cap fuel filler systems. My wife and I both have them, and the last time I had a rental and actually had to screw off the fuel cap, I realized how much I like that feature.
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Jun 16, 2016 17:19
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Throatwarbler posted:Automatic lights arent lights that you cant turn off? Whats the joke here? Ignoring this aspect... driving without lights on at night? I'm assuming that is a joke and no one is that dumb?
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Jun 16, 2016 17:40
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Internet Explorer posted:Ignoring this aspect... driving without lights on at night? I'm assuming that is a joke and no one is that dumb? Sometimes when you're really drunk the lights just get in the way, you know?
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Jun 16, 2016 18:13
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Twerk from Home posted:http://jalopnik.com/this-uk-documentary-about-company-cars-puts-american-ps-1744270834 Everyone should watch this. Also, I consider auto-dimming mirrors in different group than auto-lights. Auto dimming lights do a way better job dealing with lights from behind than regular mirrors, even when on the dark setting. It wasn't a deal breaker when I bought my Mazda, but everytime I drive my subaru with an auto-dimmer I am reminded how much better that works. Auto-lights save you a flick of the wrist. I'd say who forgets to turn on lights, but then see dozens of cars with no lights or DRLs at night. I know Toyotas and subarus (and I'm sure others, but not mazdas or vws) come with lights that turn off when you take the key out of the ignition, which means you can just leave them on always which is basically the same.
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Jun 16, 2016 18:45
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:seriously reconsider your automatic lights requirement Automatic lights, or at least lights where the car doesn't flip its poo poo at you if you turn off the ignition and get out of the car should be in every base model car. If you have the circuitry to flip your poo poo (beeping) when I leave the lights on, just turn off the lights instead. Make the circuit for headlights one that is killed with the ignition. My car is one step stupider, it has a setting to auto-turn off the lights after [Never, 30, 60, 90] seconds, yet still flips out at you if you leave them on when you leave the car.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:23
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I don't know if there's a better thread for this, but... I've got a 13 year old car that I want to sell. KBB and Edmunds says its worth about 4k. It needs about 1k worth of work on the suspension. Better to get the work done and sell it for 4k, or try and sell it for 3k and tell people about the work required?
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Jun 16, 2016 19:30
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do you guys really not realise how superbly indulgent the luxury of not having to turn lights on when you go through tunnels or when it gets dark is its like youre driving a ROBOT CAR
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Jun 16, 2016 19:42
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dongsbot 9000 posted:do you guys really not realise how superbly indulgent the luxury of not having to turn lights on when you go through tunnels or when it gets dark is I actually hate the ones on my '13 Focus because they lag and don't deal well with ambiguous lighting situations especially in light rain.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:50
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H110Hawk posted:Automatic lights, or at least lights where the car doesn't flip its poo poo at you if you turn off the ignition and get out of the car should be in every base model car. If you have the circuitry to flip your poo poo (beeping) when I leave the lights on, just turn off the lights instead. Make the circuit for headlights one that is killed with the ignition. My car is one step stupider, it has a setting to auto-turn off the lights after [Never, 30, 60, 90] seconds, yet still flips out at you if you leave them on when you leave the car. Agreed but this is different from lights that automatically turn on and off based on ambient light.
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Thermopyle posted:I don't know if there's a better thread for this, but... List it for $4500 and let people talk you down from there. Unless you can do the work yourself for a lot less than the $1k (which I assume is a rate a shop quoted you, not the cost of parts from somewhere like Rockauto) you'll never equate $1k in retail repair costs to $1k of increased sale value. Don't advertise the required suspension work, because if you list major problems, people are going to wonder what horrors you are hiding. If someone asks about it, then bring it up, and let them negotiate down from there. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I actually hate the ones on my '13 Focus because they lag and don't deal well with ambiguous lighting situations especially in light rain. The ones in my '03 Jeep definitely err on the side of "on" - if it's anything less than high noon in Phoenix there's a good chance the lights are on. I just leave 'em be, they're always on when I want them on. The ones in my '07 Mazdaspeed3 were actually well calibrated and were usually only on when needed. It seems silly, but I wish my '13 CR-V had them.
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IOwnCalculus posted:stuff I like the way you think
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My volvo's headlights have three settings: on, parking lights, and on but you can't turn on the brights. It took me ages to figure out what the difference was between the two on settings since I'm seldom anywhere that brights are necessary.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I actually hate the ones on my '13 Focus because they lag and don't deal well with ambiguous lighting situations especially in light rain. This was my experience when I was leasing an '11 328i, it didn't have a fuckin' clue what to do when it was deeply overcast but otherwise clear (to the point of flicking on and off repeatedly during a drive once)
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Jun 16, 2016 21:34
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powderific posted:I'm so used to them being lovely used cars that I forget anyone ever bought them new. My 2005 Grand Marquis had the original sticker in the glove box. Thanks PO old fart for taking the depreciation hit from 35k to 7k while not smoking and not driving 10k miles a year.
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dongsbot 9000 posted:do you guys really not realise how superbly indulgent the luxury of not having to turn lights on when you go through tunnels or when it gets dark is I drove an 03 Impala for a decade and it recently died on me, it had automatic lights. I've got an 04 Civic now and my life is a nightmare of having to think about turning my lights on when dusk and tunnels approach. I miss that old boat and its magic lights.
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Proposed Budget: 15k, but willing to go up 10k more if it makes sense in regards to fuel efficiency and/or total cost of ownership over the next 8 years. New or Used: No preference Body Style: 4 door How will you be using the car?: I have an 80 mile commute every day (40 miles each way) so I drive a lot on the highway in Kansas. Otherwise, driving around town on the weekends doing miscellaneous errands. What aspects are most important to you? Fuel efficiency, reliability (I am on the highway a lot and would not enjoy being stranded in isolated dark roads), low cost of ownership/repairs. We are a two person household so I do not need a big car, however something midsize would be preferable in case of accidents.
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Twerk from Home posted:http://jalopnik.com/this-uk-documentary-about-company-cars-puts-american-ps-1744270834 Mind numbingly dull and yet I can't turn it off.
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dongsbot 9000 posted:do you guys really not realise how superbly indulgent the luxury of not having to turn lights on when you go through tunnels or when it gets dark is They freak me out. Who knows what else that car is watching, you know.
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Larien posted:Proposed Budget: 15k, but willing to go up 10k more if it makes sense in regards to fuel efficiency and/or total cost of ownership over the next 8 years. Prius. Midsize cars aren't inherently safer than compacts either.
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I think I'm pretty solid on most of the details, but is a Plug-in Prius worth it for an 8 mile commute? I heard a few things about higher failure rates and more expensive parts, but it didn't look like the plug-in option was too much more expensive, and running in EV only mode would probably save a lot of wear on the engine.
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