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88h88 posted:Maybe we'll leave the EU, plunge the entirety of the UK into poverty and get WW3 on the go before 2016's out. The gently caress is wrong with this year, man?
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InitialDave posted:Someone has shot and killed an MP in Yorkshire. This poo poo does not happen here. And was chanting the name of a British isolation group both during the attack and during arrest. But the guy was white, so he'll be declared a lone wolf.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:15
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CommieGIR posted:And was chanting the name of a British isolation group both during the attack and during arrest. Britain First are proper, full-on, drive-them-back-into-the-sea racist bigots, not just the "racist" that people think of as a stereotype of a certain kind of Trump supporter or anything. The only reason they aren't fascists is that they can't spell it.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:19
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InitialDave posted:That's a lot less of an issue over here, we've had enough experience of terrorists-wot-aint-brown for (sensible) people to not to do that as much. Yeah, in the D&D UK thread, someone was mentioning they ran a militia training camp a few months ago. Creepy.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:23
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Britain First are full on morons, their 'leaders' can barely speak English properly let alone offer any sort of coherent argument as to why they think like they do.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:29
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What's an MP? Is that like a British Police officer? I know them as military police in the US armed forces. Also, why do I want a motorcycle again? Haven't ridden since 2012 and I'm getting the itch. That honda CBR650F looks loving sweet. My wife would probably divorce me 
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Jun 16, 2016 19:30
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BloodBag posted:What's an MP Member of Parliament, equivalent of a US Congressman.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:32
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BloodBag posted:What's an MP? Is that like a British Police officer? I know them as military police in the US armed forces. It could be taken as Military Police, too, I suppose, but that's so much rarer that it's usually contextually understood to be the former, and our "correct" version is RMP, Royal Military Police. Edit: This classic interview is a good depiction of the makeup of Britain First and the EDL (English Defence League): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc And cannot be posted without the remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU InitialDave fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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Jun 16, 2016 19:33
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BloodBag posted:Also, why do I want a motorcycle again? Haven't ridden since 2012 and I'm getting the itch. That honda CBR650F looks loving sweet. My wife would probably divorce me ...I see no downside, more time for riding.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:37
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Eye witness reports about the gun used in the attack are strange saying it looked "old fashioned" or "handmade"
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Jun 16, 2016 19:38
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corn in the fridge posted:Eye witness reports about the gun used in the attack are strange saying it looked "old fashioned" or "handmade" But it was clearly something with the capability to fire multiple shots in succession, so it can't be something really old.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:42
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InitialDave posted:This classic interview is a good depiction of the makeup of Britain First and the EDL (English Defence League): 'Muslamic' law is the worst man. Holy poo poo the stupidity...
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Jun 16, 2016 19:44
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88h88 posted:...I see no downside, more time for riding. Stop making sense, you... rapscallion!
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Jun 16, 2016 19:45
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Without getting back into gun chat but I don't really want to wade into GBS and I don't think tfr has a bunch of UK posters, what are the laws for firearm ownership in the uk? Handguns in particular? I believe it's way more stringent compared to even Canada.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:48
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slidebite posted:Without getting back into gun chat but I don't really want to wade into GBS and I don't think tfr has a bunch of UK posters, what are the laws for firearm ownership in the uk? Handguns in particular? I believe it's way more stringent compared to even Canada. You need a certificate and the handgun has to be over a certain length to be legal. I think only single shots and rimfire semiautos are allowed too? EG: 
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Jun 16, 2016 19:57
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InitialDave posted:But it was clearly something with the capability to fire multiple shots in succession, so it can't be something really old. Guess that depends on what your definition of "really old" is, considering revolvers have been around in some form or another since the mid-1830s.
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Jun 16, 2016 20:00
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Ozmiander posted:You need a certificate and the handgun has to be over a certain length to be legal. I think only single shots and rimfire semiautos are allowed too? Selfie stick?
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Jun 16, 2016 20:03
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Ozmiander posted:You need a certificate and the handgun has to be over a certain length to be legal. I think only single shots and rimfire semiautos are allowed too? Pretty sure the pictured gun would be illegal in the US since it appears to be suppressed, and hand guns aren't allowed any sort of extension back from the grip. I'm not even sure what that extension thing is supposed to be for, a brace along the bottom of the forearm?
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Jun 16, 2016 20:07
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Suppressors are legal in the US, you just need to jump through some hoops to get them. if you reverse GIS that image it goes to a UK legalized pistol blog post of some sort...
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Jun 16, 2016 20:09
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slidebite posted:Without getting back into gun chat but I don't really want to wade into GBS and I don't think tfr has a bunch of UK posters, what are the laws for firearm ownership in the uk? Handguns in particular? I believe it's way more stringent compared to even Canada. Slightly longer answer is there are very very specific allowances for collectors of antique weapons, but that is by no means a work-around to let you own something "usable". You can have a muzzle-loader, but if you want a 1911 or something, basically, yeah, no. In general, you can have a shotgun on a shotgun certificate, but it must not be able to hold more than three cartridges (crimping the tube to reduce capacity on a pump action etc is acceptable). A shotgun certificate and the related guns are, for lack of a better description "needs a good reason not to let you have one" territory. Anything else, that's a firearms certificate. This is "you need a good reason to have one, and we'd better like that reason". Member of a shooting club, shooting a specific calibre, and if that calibre isn't .22 rimfire, you're not allowed semi-auto, got to be bolt or lever action etc. Long guns only. All guns specifically named and approved on your certificate, ammo limited by quantity you can hold and quantity you can buy at any one time, everything locked up separately in approved (really approved, police-firearms-officer-round-your-house-to-check-it-out approved) secure containers, similar restrictions transporting it to where you will shoot. You yourself interviewed, background checked, vouched for by respectable people and so on. There's more detail than that, but I'm not expert enough to write it in a concise and comprehensive way. In short, to legally get firearms and ammo here is very, very tightly controlled. Illegally? I have no idea. Geoj posted:Guess that depends on what your definition of "really old" is, considering revolvers have been around in some form or another since the mid-1830s.
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Jun 16, 2016 20:11
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That's legal in the US. You just need a tax stamp, background check by BATFE, and fill out a form. It also has to have your name engraved on it. Full auto weapons are legal this way as well provided they were manufactured before a certain date. They are also legal if your licensed to make them yourself. I knew a guy in VA that had a remote controlled turret mounted .50 cal full auto browning machine gun on his pinagauzer. It was also legal for him to drive around with it loaded, which he did.
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Jun 16, 2016 20:14
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The Locator posted:Pretty sure the pictured gun would be illegal in the US since it appears to be suppressed, and hand guns aren't allowed any sort of extension back from the grip. I'm not even sure what that extension thing is supposed to be for, a brace along the bottom of the forearm? The grip extension is weird, but it's not technically a stock since it's not intended for shouldering (there are goofy AR pistol "braces" that fall under the same category in the US). If I recall correctly, it's purpose is to make the gun large enough to be legal.
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Jun 16, 2016 20:18
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BraveUlysses posted:Suppressors are legal in the US, you just need to jump through some hoops to get them. So yea, I guess I could have clarified, I was sort of ignoring Class III stuff since that is typically outside of the scope of this sort of conversation, just like fully automatic weapons. You could not just walk into a gun-shop and purchase a suppressed 1911 without a lot of effort, money, and background checking. rdb posted:That's legal in the US. You just need a tax stamp, background check by BATFE, and fill out a form. It also has to have your name engraved on it. Full auto weapons are legal this way as well provided they were manufactured before a certain date. They are also legal if your licensed to make them yourself. I knew a guy in VA that had a remote controlled turret mounted .50 cal full auto browning machine gun on his pinagauzer. It was also legal for him to drive around with it loaded, which he did. Yep, as I said, and apparently should have clarified, I felt that stuff was outside of the scope of the conversation. I used to work at a full class III dealer, and we had a bunch of fun autos and suppressed guns, and an indoor range to play with them. I've also been up to Dillon and seen one of his legal mini-guns, and live in Arizona, which is home to a big machine-gun shoot.
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Jun 16, 2016 20:35
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Also, bear in mind we used to have legal handguns with somewhat similar rules to long guns, but that got changed after Dunblane, and they were taken off everyone.
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Jun 16, 2016 20:42
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InitialDave posted:Also, bear in mind we used to have legal handguns with somewhat similar rules to long guns, but that got changed after Dunblane, and they were taken off everyone. Handguns are still legal in the uk, just harder to get and have dumb poo poo attached to them.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:01
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Ozmiander posted:Handguns are still legal in the uk, just harder to get and have dumb poo poo attached to them. Previously, it was more like the restrictions currently in place on firearms in general.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:05
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InitialDave posted:The limitation by which a handgun can be legally owned here is such as to make it semantics. Bullshit. It's the same argument as when people in the US say that machine guns and suppressors are illegal.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:07
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Ozmiander posted:Bullshit. It's the same argument as when people in the US say that machine guns and suppressors are illegal. What's wrong with your brain?
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Jun 16, 2016 21:09
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Ozmiander posted:Bullshit. It's the same argument as when people in the US say that machine guns and suppressors are illegal. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/518193/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_April_2016_v20.pdf
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Jun 16, 2016 21:09
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CharlesM posted:What's wrong with your brain? What's wrong with your posting?
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Jun 16, 2016 21:12
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InitialDave posted:Here is the guidance on firearms law. Pay particular attention to sections 3, 8, and 9. A large number of the apparent loopholes that would seem to allow for ownership of something are specifically called out and countermanded. You're not actually disproving what i said though. I said single shots and semi auto rimfires.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:14
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Ozmiander posted:You're not actually disproving what i said though. I said single shots and semi auto rimfires. Basically, the only actual handgun you can own and use is a muzzle-loader, something like a flare gun, or something low-powered air. Yes, you can have a long-barrel pistol provided it met the dimensional restriction, and at that point it is treated as per the normal long gun rules - but at that point, it being a "handgun" in the sense in which the term is generally used is hair-splitting. My point is, you used to be able to own and shoot a common-or-garden revolver or semi handgun, as is familiar to the average American shooter. To say that our legislation as it stands now allows handguns because there is is a way to make a "handgun" that fits the definition as permitted is to miss the point entirely.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:30
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InitialDave posted:Barrel length of less than 30cm or total length under 60cm is the killer for anything "handgun", and any kind of screw-in device to make a short barrel long would be taken an extremely dim view of by the powers that be. Come off it. A 1911-22 with a long barrel and a coat hanger is still a handgun, regardless of what your legal system calls it.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:31
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InitialDave posted:My point is, you used to be able to own and shoot a common-or-garden revolver or semi handgun, as is familiar to the average American shooter. American gun owners are totally used to idiotic laws that ban certain features, and even more idiotic modifications to get around those laws. We understand, dude.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:32
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Ozmiander posted:Come off it. A 1911-22 with a long barrel and a coat hanger is still a handgun, regardless of what your legal system calls it. Put bluntly, I want a CZ75. I used to be able to have one. Now I cannot. Wankers. Repeat for half a dozen other guns. Safety Dance posted:American gun owners are totally used to idiotic laws that ban certain features, and even more idiotic modifications to get around those laws. We understand, dude.
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Jun 16, 2016 21:50
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InitialDave posted:As you can imagine, this poo poo is somewhat more annoying when you're on the inside of it. So did i. It took me over two years and hundreds of dollars to be able to get it, and i had to modify it make it "compliant".
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Jun 16, 2016 21:52
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gently caress. Both our other drivers got into a wreck this week so I'll be working alone today and probably tomorrow. It'll be the third time this week I've been delivering alone since we have no staff left. Not even making good money since everything takes two+ hours to get delivered and despite being told 3 hours idiots are still ordering then calling an hour later asking where their food is. 
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Jun 16, 2016 21:59
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scuz posted:Shameless self-plug/cross-post from NMD incoming: I really dig this, thanks dude!
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Jun 16, 2016 22:25
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Anyway, since loving gunchat again is super lame... How about how great 4 cylinder motorcycles sound? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDfmxMuPi4s   E:petrol, the thing that surrounds and binds our community.
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I can't be assed to pay 9 whole European fun bucks to watch the 24 hrs of Le Mans. But I will spend 2-3 hours to look for a sopcast or acestream link for it.  On an unrelated note, I've seen like 4 different NSX's in the past 2 weeks, all within about 3 km of each other.I know this is from like 8 pages ago, but I haven't been around for 2 weeks. leica posted:I pretty much disowned my father and his wife for poo poo like that. After having my son the entitlement was unbearable. You are like the 4th person to tell me to sever. I know I should. But they're my parents, I can't do that.
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