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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
| Total: | 2130 votes | ||
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Tesseraction posted:That's not waht special snowflaking is aurgh coohoo stop it Argh you know what I mean. Whatever.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:12
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I think virtue signalling is when you talk a big progressive game but don't actually believe in it, you just do it to be holier than thou. Special snowflaking is when you make up some term for yourself that kinda links with a real oppressed minority because you want attention/to be special
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Jun 17, 2016 01:13
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OwlFancier posted:and it's showing in the inability of states to control that, they instead play into it. If the world is now reality TV then politicians are now contestants, and what the audience wants is blood and screaming and scandal. This is really good, and I'm going to use a paraphrased version of it. I guess this sums up why I've chosen foreign relief work as my career path. I've followed UKMTs (passively) basically since I joined this stupid forum, and I have a really, really strong interest in British politics, but it's just so toxic. I really don't think there's anything to be done until the next large-scale event happens, whatever that might be. Until then I'll just be trying to help people who, unambiguously, urgently need food, water and sanitation. I'm off home to Teesside tomorrow for a few days. It'll be interesting to see how all the BF types spin this in their weird little minds. E: oh my god who cares about the difference between snowflaking and virtue signalling as if they're even phrases anyone in real life should use, no wonder normal people don't listen to anyone who debates stuff on the internet if they actually say any of this dumb poo poo.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:14
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Virtue signalling would also link with slacktivism, the idea that Facebook posts about a thing is a substitute for real activism.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:15
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Namtab posted:I think virtue signalling is when you talk a big progressive game but don't actually believe in it, you just do it to be holier than thou. Namtab posted:Virtue signalling would also link with slacktivism, the idea that Facebook posts about a thing is a substitute for real activism. yes see this is much more like it up with this sort of thing
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Jun 17, 2016 01:16
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Jakabite posted:Is there anything we can do or say to individuals, or is it just a question of smashing the whole culture? I think we can help corrode the base and reduce their power by listening, not talking down to them, and trying to get them looking at the people who are really responsible for their issues. I know I've spent a long time just dismissing their concerns as racism when it's a little more complicated though there can certainly be a racial element. Case in point my adopted sister now lives down in England in an area with according to her a large amount of immigrants and was complaining on the phone how they looked down at her and called her white trash, I pointed out that she is on disability benefits and they've been fed the same "skiver vs striver" bullshit that's been so heavily dominant under the Tories which has probably influenced their outlook. I'm hopeful now that she might take a step back and see the real enemy, it's a small thing but it's a start.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:17
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Tesseraction posted:yes see this is much more like it Yeah my thing is because I see slacktivism and holier than thou stuff almost uniquely coming from the special snowflake crowd, or the kind of people who show up at an Orlando rally and yell at people there for being "too white" because Pulse was in a Latino neighbourhood. I've gone and associated them in my head.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:21
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Yeah, I think that probably is the only real solution. It just seems impossible when the might of the British media machine is working in the opposite direction.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:21
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OwlFancier posted:You can't do anything about it, it's got the entire weight of the state and the mainstream of politics behind it. I'd like to think there's a better path than that, at least while we're here. Maybe not so much as individuals, but as what we can put together.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:23
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Coohoolin posted:Yeah my thing is because I see slacktivism and holier than thou stuff almost uniquely coming from the special snowflake crowd, or the kind of people who show up at an Orlando rally and yell at people there for being "too white" because Pulse was in a Latino neighbourhood. I've gone and associated them in my head. maybe you should stop reading breitbart for your news
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Jun 17, 2016 01:26
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Tesseraction posted:yes see this is much more like it Pushing the idea you're the MOST PROGRESSIVE to your peer group is an entirely valid example there's almost no other reason to do that other than for the sake of appearance.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:27
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Guavanaut posted:In that case, we might as well give up and give in to the nihilistic politics of individual inward looking despair. Well you can do that or you can press on regardless, absent any hope of success. Given that everyone ITT is still alive they already have some experience with doing that. I guess my suggestion is that there isn't anything that you, individually, or even collectively, can do which will make a material difference to the general state of the world. The prime movers are not great people or collective efforts, so much as dumb luck and gestalt, consciously uncontrollable social trends.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:28
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Namtab posted:I think virtue signalling is when you talk a big progressive game but don't actually believe in it, you just do it to be holier than thou. Also when you do 'believe in it' and you signal it real hard for cool points
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Jun 17, 2016 01:30
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Leave is polling at 63%.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:32
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Puntification posted:Pushing the idea you're the MOST PROGRESSIVE to your peer group is an entirely valid example there's almost no other reason to do that other than for the sake of appearance. yes but it is different from virtue signalling, abd was previously what 'social justice warrior' was invented to make fun of until, funnily enough, right-wingers used the term for anything that wasn't Nazi virtue-signalling is to criticise a particular form of slacktivism the two are nowhere close to interchangeable and only the far-right use either anyway
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Jun 17, 2016 01:32
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virtue signalling is the verb form of social justice warrior
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Jun 17, 2016 01:33
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OwlFancier posted:Well you can do that or you can press on regardless, absent any hope of success. Given that everyone ITT is still alive they already have some experience with doing that.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:34
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Let's discard the term virtue signalling and substitute it instead with "trying too drat hard," like the trolls who flock to this thread in the wake of a tragedy.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:36
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this video sums up everything you need to know about virtue signalling Labour held Tooting; doubled their majority on a reduced turnout. 7.9% swing from the Tories to Labour; Labour was the only party to gain in vote share and the Greens had their vote halved and lost their deposit which they didn't do last year. I don't know whether a by-election held a week before an EU referendum on the day when an MP was assassinated for the first time in 25 years can tell you much though...
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Jun 17, 2016 01:40
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IceAgeComing posted:this video sums up everything you need to know about virtue signalling a) yeah hbomberguy fukken owns b) drat, niiice, but then Tooting is a safe Labour seat so not too surprising really
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Jun 17, 2016 01:43
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IceAgeComing posted:Labour held Tooting; doubled their majority on a reduced turnout. 7.9% swing from the Tories to Labour; Labour was the only party to gain in vote share and the Greens had their vote halved and lost their deposit which they didn't do last year. I don't know whether a by-election held a week before an EU referendum on the day when an MP was assassinated for the first time in 25 years can tell you much though... quote:Allin-Khan should have become Labours 100th female MP tonight. Sadly, the number stays at 99. 
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Jun 17, 2016 01:44
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loving hell. Brutal.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:47
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Tesseraction posted:Tooting is a safe Labour seat so not too surprising really Its definitely become a lot less safe in recent years; its a part of London that's had a load of gentrification recently. Sadiq Khan only had a majority just over 2000 in the last election; in an 83 sized Tory landslide it'd go to them now. Apraxin posted:From the Graun's liveblog on the Tooting result:
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Jun 17, 2016 01:50
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Tesseraction posted:that isn't what virtue signalling is I've only started seeing this term recently but from my understanding by its context, "virtue signalling" is something "cucks" do to appear holier than thou as they let Europe turn into Western Arabia.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:52
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How's Ire land's response to the brexit? As far as I have heard they're planning for a leave vote.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:53
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Marenghi posted:I've only started seeing this term recently but from my understanding by its context, "virtue signalling" is something "cucks" do to appear holier than thou as they let Europe turn into Western Arabia. its the latest alt-right buzz word, its starting to replace "Cultural Marxism", possibly because the latter is basically a conspiracy theory invented by Hitler and that doesn't look too good.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:55
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LeoMarr posted:Leave is polling at 63%. this is a joke right? please
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Jun 17, 2016 01:57
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LeoMarr posted:How's Ire land's response to the brexit? As far as I have heard they're planning for a leave vote. The leading parties support remain. As does Sinn Fein, who also wish for a border poll in the case of an exit. A few outsiders believe an exit would gently caress England more and benefit us, but that seems doubtful, at least not with a massively painful transition. Then there's the case of having to reinstate border controls which the leadership aren't really clear on how to implement it after having free travel for so long, there's talk of automated checkpoints which sounds like combining buzzwords rather than actually making plans.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:00
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I remember getting into an argument with my flatmate because I objected to the use of the word "İuck" or "leftİuck" because of the (imv) lovely racial and sexual implications. He still insists it's fine. We agree on almost everything else, it's weird.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:00
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Angepain posted:this is a joke right? please http://www.businessinsider.com/bi-eu-referendum-poll-63-want-brexit-2016-6?r=UK&IR=T
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Jun 17, 2016 02:00
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big scary monsters posted:Lucky this didn't happen a week later or you might not have cared at all! Well would you rather have me as a heartless bastard  I do care for this particular situation though for multiple reasons but maybe I just lack empathy for people I don't know personally. My frustration turned hatred has preety much just made me feel a lack of care to whatever happens to people that frustrate me. Still it is a tragedy all the same and I feel like I do have enough sympathy to at least offer my condolences but that won't change much in the end. LeoMarr posted:How's Ire land's response to the brexit? As far as I have heard they're planning for a leave vote. Polling for them has been preety much remain, a bit higher then Scotland. Unless you actually meant ROI which case I don't know. Do you know someone that can contact the dead? Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 02:01
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LeoMarr posted:http://www.businessinsider.com/bi-eu-referendum-poll-63-want-brexit-2016-6?r=UK&IR=T lol that is such an inaccurate polling method
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Jun 17, 2016 02:02
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LeoMarr posted:http://www.businessinsider.com/bi-eu-referendum-poll-63-want-brexit-2016-6?r=UK&IR=T okay, so leave is polling at 63% among the readership of a particular magazine. Be sure to write the entirety of your sentences in future.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:03
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It's a poll of Business Insider readers. So yes, a joke.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:03
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Brexit Watch has Leave ahead for the first time in the polls aggregator.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:08
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Coohoolin posted:I remember getting into an argument with my flatmate because I objected to the use of the word "İuck" or "leftİuck" because of the (imv) lovely racial and sexual implications. He still insists it's fine. We agree on almost everything else, it's weird. Well, it is a sexual insult. I would imagine it is supposed to have lovely sexual implications.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:10
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I genuinely read that as Brexit Witch and briefly marvelled at the idea of broomstick riding green-skinned witch floating above Are Aisles sprinkling brexit dust.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:11
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LeoMarr posted:http://www.businessinsider.com/bi-eu-referendum-poll-63-want-brexit-2016-6?r=UK&IR=T that's literally as accurate as saying that Remain is polling at 60.5% and citing the poll on top of this thread as proof shockingly, a self-selected poll of readers of a particular magazine is less accurate than proper "scientific" polls, even with how lovely the UKs polling industry. Hell I thought everyone learned this in 1936 when the two big polls were one from a big magazine that polled their readers and got several million responses and a Gallop poll which only asked the standard 1,000 people. The magazine poll concluded that Alf Landon would win that Presidential election, which eh, he didn't. Gallop, despite asking a lot less people, got the result bang on. IceAgeComing fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 02:12
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I think you'll find on polling day some people will waver to pissflaps.
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Apparently Britain First is going to be ensuring there isn't Voter fraud on The day we retake our country.
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