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Small Frozen Thing posted:Jesus christ dude.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:45
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I'm a nihilist for a few different reasons, a major one being that, if there were any sort of moral fabric woven into the universe that I'd be able to recognize, I wouldn't expect history to be full of vast, exploited underclasses working to early graves while their masters died fat and happy after a lifetime spent ruining and destroying the lives of countless others. When you know that, it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that an intrinsic, objective morality either doesn't exist or doesn't matter. I guess the difference between me and NRx is that, rather than decide "Exploitation is cool and good," I hold onto my existing (socialist) values that much more closely, because I realize that they're as frail and passing as my own life.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:50
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I mean, I'm hardly one to judge when it comes to retreating into gaming and nerd escapism, but I do that because I have a hosed-up and barely functional body and mind. Doing it because of some kind of philosophical belief is just baffling.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:52
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We shall call this philosophy Ludonihilism. Life is empty, and meaningless, and death is terrifying... and that's why I'm playing Overwatch instead of searching for a job, mom.
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Jun 17, 2016 01:58
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So I take it this supposed to be the thread's punishment for running off Cingulate?
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Jun 17, 2016 02:01
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I agree that Count Chocula should seek meaning and peace in the Lord, Jesus Christ.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:14
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Please don't engage CC on his positions, the last thread that did it went on a several page arguing spree where he continued to defend his hosed up philosophy and only stopped when nobody paid attention any more.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:17
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Death is cool. Evidence: skeletons
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Jun 17, 2016 02:32
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Sax Solo posted:I have ideals and philosophies; you have only memes and despair. Memetics are basically what happens when nu-atheists learn the utility of hermeneutics of suspicion Lady Naga posted:Please don't engage CC on his positions, the last thread that did it went on a several page arguing spree where he continued to defend his hosed up philosophy and only stopped when nobody paid attention any more. Same, at least he's not racist
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Jun 17, 2016 02:36
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Tesseraction posted:We shall call this philosophy Ludonihilism. Life is empty, and meaningless, and death is terrifying... and that's why I'm playing Overwatch instead of searching for a job, mom. Catchy name! Ironically, my annoyance at Reaper playing edgelords is probably what will snap me out of this! And yes, my proudest moment was probably using my philosophy to annoy a job counselor. I mean it's a dumb way to get to 'the modern capitalist state exploits the workers and most work we do is utterly useless and we could probably cut the work week in half', but it's a route.
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Jun 17, 2016 02:42
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Polybius91 posted:I'm a nihilist for a few different reasons, a major one being that, if there were any sort of moral fabric woven into the universe that I'd be able to recognize, I wouldn't expect history to be full of vast, exploited underclasses working to early graves while their masters died fat and happy after a lifetime spent ruining and destroying the lives of countless others. When you know that, it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that an intrinsic, objective morality either doesn't exist or doesn't matter. This is just being an atheist plus ethical relativism, not really a "nihilist." Count Chocula posted:Nah, I don't like those guys because they're about the environment. I'm an anti-natalist because of my fear of death, and because birth leads to death, and beings who are concious of death. And my nihilism took some very anti-environmentalist positions. While I think Small Frozen Thing pretty much summed up everything that needs to be said about this post, please adjust your worldview to not include loving up the environment in the long term even if you personally don't care because that sort of attitude is how the baby boomers managed to saddle us with 2000 years worth of excess energy in the climate and if you think capitalism is crushing the underclass now just you wait until most of the arable land is gone and most of the populated cities are underwater.
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Jun 17, 2016 03:49
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But those '2000 years' don't matter since I and everyone I love will stop existing within 100 years (at the most optimistic), so I'd be giving up comfort now for things that won't happen, from my POV. I used to think 'the environment' itself was morally evil since it's the source of death (and because I know too many annoying hippies) but I've softened that stance when I realized I was turning into a Captain Planet villain. If only I'd started a blog when I was 15 and way crazier about this; maybe I could have taken Peter Theil's money. Count Chocula has a new favorite as of 04:09 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 04:06
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Count Chocula posted:But those '2000 years' don't matter since I and everyone I love will stop existing within 100 years (at the most optimistic), so I'd be giving up comfort now for things that won't happen, from my POV. They've already started happening, and will almost certainly happen more in the next 100 years. Louisiana is already disappearing, Miami Beach is flooded every day at high tide, you and the people you love will almost certainly live through some serious poo poo if not the worst of the serious poo poo.
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Jun 17, 2016 04:08
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If you're "lucky". If not, it all comes back to bite you in the rear end much sooner than you expected, like climate change has.
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Jun 17, 2016 04:09
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Chocula, if you're really interested in reducing human suffering via reducing births (instead of just suicidally ideating via philosophy / being kind of a douchebag / denying that your mental health regimen is clearly not working), you should probably get involved with reproductive-rights causes, helping people gain or retain access to family-planning resources. Research has shown that people who have the medical and social resources to control their family planning have fewer children, generally right at replacement, and also have those children at times where they're better-equipped to support them, which means lives less full of suffering. I mean, yes, you're going to have to bite your tongue that people are choosing to have children at all, but you should probably get some tongue-biting practice in general. You could also support public health and development initiatives, since better health and greater levels of economic development also correlate with fewer births (people tend to have the most children in subsistence-agriculture economies where every child is a worker and thus an economic benefit, so birth rates drop dramatically once societies transition away from this sort of economy), but I understand if that's not NIHILIST TRUPUNX enough for you. Antivehicular has a new favorite as of 04:22 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 04:11
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:This is just being an atheist plus ethical relativism, not really a "nihilist."
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Jun 17, 2016 04:29
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normally posters are notable in this thread for making us angry, Count Chocula just kills everyones mood
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Jun 17, 2016 04:41
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Eox posted:normally posters are notable in this thread for making us angry, Count Chocula just kills everyones mood He's gotten worse lately, a couple years ago he'd just post really weird/dumb stuff and wasn't nearly as depressing.
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Jun 17, 2016 04:50
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He made me angry but I've used up all my venom on the subject and arguing with him is useless.
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Jun 17, 2016 04:52
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Polybius91 posted:How do you define nihilism, then? What else would you say I'd need to believe to qualify as a nihilist? It's possible I may have oversimplified the definition. I've always considered it, at least the "ideal" version of it, as complete disregard for everything it's possible to ask a philosophical question about. Like a philosophy of just answering "meh" to every possible philosophical question you can ask. Is there a god? Meh. What economic system is best for the world? Meh. Is murdering someone bad? Meh. Are we even real? Meh.
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Jun 17, 2016 05:03
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Note I picked "meh" because it's not even answering no to the questions, it is wholly disregarding the questions as invalid and meaningless. That, to me, is what nihilism is.
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Jun 17, 2016 05:05
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"I'm scared of my own death therefore I actively want to gently caress over the planet's environment because I'll be dead before anything happens" is at least in the top five of dumbest loving philosophies I've read, even in this thread
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Jun 17, 2016 05:25
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InediblePenguin posted:"I'm scared of my own death therefore I actively want to gently caress over the planet's environment because I'll be dead before anything happens" is at least in the top five of dumbest loving philosophies I've read, even in this thread You can throw in "This world is full of suffering so instead of making things better, I'm gonna add more suffering."
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Jun 17, 2016 05:30
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Count Chocula posted:But those '2000 years' don't matter since I and everyone I love will stop existing within 100 years (at the most optimistic), so I'd be giving up comfort now for things that won't happen, from my POV. Have you ever read any pessimist philosophers? I think you would enjoy someone like Schopenhauer, Rousseau, or someone more digestible like Ligotti. Because to me it sounds like you are not a nihilist but a pessimist. The idea of distracting yourself though with meaningless trivialities is not really a pessimist view though it doesn't really matter. Hollismason has a new favorite as of 05:36 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 05:34
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Count Chocula posted:But those '2000 years' don't matter since I and everyone I love will stop existing within 100 years (at the most optimistic), so I'd be giving up comfort now for things that won't happen, from my POV. Does pronatalism necessarily cause collapse? There has been plenty of opportunity and time for interstellar civilisations to have evolved in our galaxy. But, strangely enough, we haven't found a trace of them yet. This problem is known as the Fermi paradox. I was thinking, perhaps it is pronatalism that stops species from spreading itself across the stars. Intelligent species would necessarily be (in general) highly pronatalist. As soon as a species understands that they have a choice in procreating, tribes that favour procreation more, due to culture or traits, will out-evolve tribes that favour procreation less. Species and civilisations of a planet that end up on top will thus be necessarily highly pronatalist. However, although pronatalism favours a species at first, this will turn around very quickly when the population reaches its sustainable limit. Since populations increase exponentially, there would also be very little time available for cultures or traits to change. Could it be that all intelligent civilisations in our Milky Way have poisoned themselves and collapsed so that none could ever leave their home star? Like to hear your thoughts.
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Want to preface this with I'm so loving grateful to have discovered this philosophy. Like even in my last hospitilaztion, I explained to my doctor that I never asked to be born, why should I care about a life I never wanted? Why is it so hard to accept that there were moments I enjoyed but like not worthy enough for me to want to keep living? I had no word to describe it but then I went down the reddit rabbit hole and discovered you guys. I'm not crazy, if anything I'm loving rational and everyone else is insane. But anyways I took the bravery to post this on my facebook, please tell me how you feel. In a mood to share my honest thoughts, you don't have to agree but just have an open mind and heart. So we're born, right? We are forced into lives we never asked for, given families by chance, rules/laws we should abide. But why? Why do we so blindly accept this? Anti-natalism is the philosophy that believes people don't consent to birth. It's true, I didn't consent to be born into this lovely rear end world, with lovely self absorbed people who treat others like poo poo unless they can do something for them. I didn't consent to have to live in a world with people who steal, rape and murder. Like seriously, from a logical standpoint- why would any of you want to subject others to this poo poo called "precious life"? Please, oh please tell me what is so precious about a life where all you do is sit around waiting to die. Like honestly- the last happy moment of my life I can recall is when I was about 7 and my dad came to school with bikes for my sister and I. But wait! Even that wasn't a happy moment! I was raised that a God existed and lived, that he answered all prayers true and right, but why couldn't he correctly get the correct bike color I wanted. I was told to pray for anything you wanted and God would answer, so I did. I prayed for a purple bike, got a pink one! That's where my journey started in believing there is no "Great One". I recalled all the feed the children commercials and how children were starving, so it's like why did this God who is supposed to take care of all his children get such a minor detail wrong? I went to Sunday bible school and told all the other kids the bible is wrong. That there is no God, he's not real; simply because my Dad got my bike wrong. Then- was when I deeply started thinking about my existence, why is it fair for me to eat, but others are starving? Why do we so desperately want others to live? So we can feel good about ourselves and enjoy how they make us feel? Why are we so loving selfish and self absorbed that we can't see that not everyone has it easy in the world? I have been suffering depression since I was ten years old, friends true to me know the reasons why. Hell, first time I looked someone in the eyes I was 19 years old. People didn't even know my parents had another child because I just stayed in the basement building and playing on computers. Those were my true only friends. I was anti-social so afraid of people and the world unknown. All I knew is that I just didn't and don't want to exist. And here I am, at 29 still feeling like this. I don't owe the world, I never asked for this. I never asked for existence, I was loving born in it. So here I sit, with a useless life, coward and useless waiting for the night. Why do people so desperately want to procreate? Do you not see how the world is just filled with hate? I can write a book of my experiences, but I feel it won't change much, but think of this philosophy Antinatalism.
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Count Chocula posted:But those '2000 years' don't matter since I and everyone I love will stop existing within 100 years (at the most optimistic), so I'd be giving up comfort now for things that won't happen, from my POV. Maybe it's just the poo poo loving week I've had but I haven't been as angry at someone as I am with you in a long time. Step outside your loving bubble. You're so loving terrified of death that you can't even see other people's loving perspective. Maybe we like being alive. Maybe you're the one off here. Maybe the rest of us actually care about other people instead of projecting our bullshit fears onto them that we want to make things better. I can guaran-loving-tee that I've had a worse week than you and instead of loving wanting to burn everything down I'm trying to make it better for people because I have some loving empathy! gently caress YOU! Edit: Wow I feel a lot better after that vent. djw175 has a new favorite as of 08:03 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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InediblePenguin posted:"I'm scared of my own death therefore I actively want to gently caress over the planet's environment because I'll be dead before anything happens" is at least in the top five of dumbest loving philosophies I've read, even in this thread I feel like a good person suddenly because while I am scared of dying... I don't let that get in the way of being a good person. I may die, but everybody else is still gonna be living in the world I left behind. making GBS threads it up just because I'm not gonna be there anymore is just selfish and dumb.
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Death loving owns, my dude. It's a prime motivator and the great equalizer and the best part is that by the time you have to deal with being dead, you're dead, and you don't actually have to deal with it! But seriously, death anxiety is totally understandable. Your ideology, on the other hand, is the height of video-game-villain cliche. It's self-centered and founded on total egocentrism. Not everyone shares your anxieties, not everyone conflates death (or the anticipation of death) with suffering, and antinatalism-as-moral-salvation is both tone-deaf and aspires to just being sub-optimal when it comes to reducing world suffering. Basically, Count, you're behaving and thinking like a total tool. I suggest therapy.
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DoctorWhat posted:Death loving owns, my dude. It's a prime motivator and the great equalizer and the best part is that by the time you have to deal with being dead, you're dead, and you don't actually have to deal with it! Ftfy, he's already getting therapy he claims.
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Polybius91 posted:How do you define nihilism, then? What else would you say I'd need to believe to qualify as a nihilist? It's possible I may have oversimplified the definition. To my mind, nihilism isn't really a philosophy, so much as the absence of philosophy. All philosophies concern themselves with what aspects of life matter, and why, but nihilism rejects the premise that anything does or could matter in the first place. It's a mode of thinking you tend to get into when you're depressed and/or suicidal; where everything feels like a massive effort, and you struggle to remember why any of it was worth doing in the first place. Funnily enough, most people who are depressed don't bother identifying as nihilists, because they don't see the point in putting a name to their mindset, identifying with a larger group, or ruminating on philosophy. In my experience, people who self-identify as nihilists are usually just selfish hedonists looking to excuse their bullshit. They claim to believe that nothing matters, but take away their creature comforts and they'll pitch a loving fit. It's almost as if they care very deeply about their own continued pleasure, regardless of the cost to others! Who knew, right? The fact is, if nothing in life matters, then there's no point avoiding discomfort, no point avoiding pain and no point postponing death. If you truly believe nothing in life matters, you might as well just climb into your grave right now. Because either something in life matters, and is worth living for, or it doesn't, and isn't. And if you believe the former to any degree, you are not a nihilist. You're some other breed of "-ist", like an existentialist or a hedonist (which isn't a bad philosophy per se, so long as one respects others' pursuit of pleasure alongside their own). I don't mean to encourage people to kill themselves, here. I'm just saying that, from my perspective, the only logical end-point of "real" nihilism is suicide, so I tend to be very suspicious of any living, breathing person who self-identifies as a nihilist.
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I thought about getting mad at CC's bad ideas but then I remembered that his ideas basically self-select himself out of real world relevance beyond his personal resource consumption so whatevs.
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Ligotti is tangentially on-topic for the thread because he's one of the actual inspirations for Neoreaction a Basilisk.
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Speaking of Ligotti, nihilism, etc. It's semi off-topic but I am looking forward to the new published version of Sick by Gabby Schulz. He is very influenced by Ligotti and has a fair bit of history dealing with the Internet poo poo brigade.
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So is this a dude who is talking openly and honestly about having emotional responses that horrify him, or is he one of those NRx dudes who thinks being a psychopath is the coolest?
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I think he just really hated his sister.
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Pope Guilty posted:So is this a dude who is talking openly and honestly about having emotional responses that horrify him, or is he one of those NRx dudes who thinks being a psychopath is the coolest? The latter. neonnoodle posted:Speaking of Ligotti, nihilism, etc. The art was good, but the story was just "I think the American Health Care System=Human existence as such" The Vosgian Beast has a new favorite as of 18:18 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Which adds a disturbing element to his piece on hate-loving the other day.
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