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Rocketlex posted:Blizzard has said interviews that they've experimented with stealth characters and they aren't particularly fun for anyone involved. Sneaking up behind people in Overwatch is achieved via teleportation abilities. Chameleon Support Omnic who is invisible when against walls. Drops mini chameons (much like symmetra turrets) that instead of doing damage, heal for a small portion. His/Her/It's M1 could be a small range poison dart gun that while not doing a lot of damage initially, applies a small stacking poison. Each additional time a target is hit, the poison damage increases in duration, but does not increase in damage. Ultimate Ability could be a smoke screen. Plume of green smoke fills the target area, disrupting the sight of all enemy targets. However, enemies that enter the smoke screen can be seen by the chameleon/all allies. Edit: Or instead of automatically seeing all enemies in the smoke screen, the chameleon's DOT M1 attack that applies poison reveals the target for the duration of the poison. Think Widow's Vision or Hanzo's Sonic Arrow, but applied on a much smaller scale. This way the ult and his primary fire would work in unison. Poison targets, apply smoke screen ult, allies can see the poisoned targets in the smoke screen. Smoke Screen would be a direct counter to things that auto lock on, and provides line of sight while not blocking AOE. Counters: Mcree and 76 Ults Weak to: Anyone with aoe Caeks fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Before I start making some irate phone calls later in the week, has anyone else been having crazy packet loss at intervals? Like, ping and RTT spiking to 400ms+ and all that entails? Generally my wireless NIC and router are pretty solid but for having to power cycle the router occasionally, but there's been a trend in the 9pm-1am window where performance in Overwatch in particular shits itself and I'm wondering how much of it is Battle.net and how much of it is my ISP throttling game traffic during Peak Neighborhood Netflix Time. The battle.net forums are proving to be less than helpful, with people "solving" their RTT issues with GPU optimization which is not a thing that makes sense if I'm reading that right and also my 9700 should be able to play Overwatch at medium settings, I think. So far I've narrowed down the options to --play with port-forwarding --upgrade to google fiber for like four dollars a month more than i'm paying now But before I do either of that I just wanna double check that its not just battle.net sucking.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:00
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Broken Cog posted:I feel this argument doesn't really hold water considering the amount of stuns, slows and insta-kill abilities in the game, most of which are definitely not particularly fun for anyone involved. How would stealth be any worse? i hardly think the answer to "theres some annoying stuff in this game" is "so lets put in another"
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Jun 17, 2016 06:00
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"Alright, so we'll give her the ability to one shot half the heroes in the game, no scope sway or disruption from taking damage, and a charge up time of about 1.5 seconds. Let's also give her a trap with alerts you even if it's destroyed, a hook on a low cooldown to help escape, and a high DPS automatic rifle for close range, and a wallhack with a difficult to hear activation sound just in case. Let's also make her model crazy small too. Sound good? Let's move on." "So I was thinking that we should have a character with some stealth abili..." "No, absolutely not. Are you stupid? That's pretty unfun to play against."
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Jun 17, 2016 06:01
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I would guess "invisibility is unfun" has more to do with not wanting players to be constantly firing in all directions at all times trying to uncover invisible enemies, especially in a game with unlimited ammo where that would actually be a good and viable strategy unlike TF2.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSpy6xeep8w Sorry Reinhardt, Winston's ability to respond to the new proliferation of annoying gnat squishy targets means I'll be playing him a lot more than you.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:03
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The previous post may or may not have been influenced by a group queue game that was totally 100% winnable except when I hit McRee's flashbang on the enemy Tracer the game would stop, then teleport me 10 feet back, then throw at nothing, then Tracer would be in my face and 100-0 me. Or taking cover behind a payload that stopped moving, then I appear in front of the payload and take damage from a Pharah rocket that didn't draw yet. The enemy team was pretty good but coulda battled that, dammit, and technical poo poo kept me dead weight the whole time 
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Jun 17, 2016 06:04
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Willie Tomg posted:The previous post may or may not have been influenced by a group queue game that was totally 100% winnable except when I hit McRee's flashbang on the enemy Tracer the game would stop, then teleport me 10 feet back, then throw at nothing, then Tracer would be in my face and 100-0 me. Or taking cover behind a payload that stopped moving, then I appear in front of the payload and take damage from a Pharah rocket that didn't draw yet. Wow, the McCree nerf is worse than I thought.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:05
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I've flashbanged a few Genji's as they dash and they still get to finish their dash while stunned, which means it's impossible to kill them before they jump away. poo poo sucks.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:14
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I've flashbanged a few Genji's as they dash and they still get to finish their dash while stunned, which means it's impossible to kill them before they jump away. poo poo sucks. yeah, it's nice to think you get a split second for your non-lethal m1 headshot, but you often don't even get that.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:16
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Starting to find the best answer to solo queue (other than don't do it) is to pick someone selfish as gently caress as quickly as possible. Your team is going to have a raging nightmarish deficiency somewhere and you don't want to be stuck doing something irreplaceable because you're probably the only one smart enough to address it. You can't have your healer or whatever be the only one who knows Reaper counters tanks, corner peekers crush Bastion, hitscan batters Pharah etc.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:46
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Starting to find the best answer to solo queue (other than don't do it) is to pick someone selfish as gently caress as quickly as possible. Your team is going to have a raging nightmarish deficiency somewhere and you don't want to be stuck doing something irreplaceable because you're probably the only one smart enough to address it. You can't have your healer or whatever be the only one who knows Reaper counters tanks, corner peekers crush Bastion, hitscan batters Pharah etc. This works well right up until you're forced to play the healer anyway.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:01
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Stealth in Overwatch would be really bad because the amount of spam means you would take tons of damage just trying to walk across the map. Flankers need some kind of mobility that lets them move through the kill lanes; Tracer can blink, Genji can climb, and Reaper can teleport. Turning invisible wouldn't be good for much when everyone keeps spamming the choke points because they have infinite ammo.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:10
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The worst part about playing Zenyatta is that people think he is a replacement for a lucio/mercy
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Jun 17, 2016 07:11
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Zorodius posted:yeah, it's nice to think you get a split second for your non-lethal m1 headshot, but you often don't even get that. "Lolaimbetter" -thread McCree just needs to be scrapped and/or removed, he's either going to be garbage vs any other offensive pick, or he's going to dominate, and it's all down to his design.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:16
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Anyone figure out how long a Leaver Penalty lasts, cause I've got one right now and it sucks hard(a 75% penalty is a bit too much in my opinion for such a thing)
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Jun 17, 2016 07:20
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Stealth characters are lovely, and I will die happy if they never add one.drrockso20 posted:Anyone figure out how long a Leaver Penalty lasts, cause I've got one right now and it sucks hard(a 75% penalty is a bit too much in my opinion for such a thing) It's a set number of games, not a time period. However many you need to play to get your "actually played" games a certain amount higher than your "rage quit" games.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:21
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drrockso20 posted:Anyone figure out how long a Leaver Penalty lasts, cause I've got one right now and it sucks hard(a 75% penalty is a bit too much in my opinion for such a thing) Have you thought about not leaving games?
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Jun 17, 2016 07:22
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Don't you have to leave a ridiculous amount of games to get the penalty?
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Jun 17, 2016 07:25
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flatluigi posted:Don't you have to leave a ridiculous amount of games to get the penalty? It even warns you before the last 1-2 games that will mark you as a leaver so you know when you should stop and suck it up for a few games.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:28
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I just did my first intentional dodge earlier today and let me tell you. Not medicking for 3 Genjis felt good. It was so much self-harm avoidance that it might as well have been a day at the spa.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:36
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Joining a game that's 30 seconds away from a loss is awful, ban all leavers into the sun IMO.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:39
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McCree is fine now though? You can still wipe people if you get the drop on them. You just can't kill every character in the game now
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Jun 17, 2016 07:40
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I just did my first intentional dodge earlier today and let me tell you. Not medicking for 3 Genjis felt good. It was so much self-harm avoidance that it might as well have been a day at the spa. I do this whenever I get some combination of tracer, genji, hanzo, and some other offense heroes. Those games are never worth playing out.
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I don't want to believe the forced 50 nonsense but I've just been queueing solo for some practice and I'm getting wonderful matches such as Queue into koth at 50% on enemy and down 0-1 in submaps, multiple times Queue into a team that locks 5 non tank / non healer, leave during setup, wait 2 minutes, queue into that exact same game in the slot where I left, after having manually clicked avoid on every player in that game.0 Is it so much to ask to just play some solo games where I can get some practice on some heroes I don't usually play. Zoness fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 07:54
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Zoness posted:Is it so much to ask to just play some solo games where I can get some practice on some heroes I don't usually play. That's exactly what I do when I'm dropped in 80% through a losing game. If it's obviously going to be a loss I just play whoever regardless of team comp. Sometimes it even works out!
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Mr. Whale posted:I do this whenever I get some combination of tracer, genji, hanzo, and some other offense heroes. Those games are never worth playing out. I just did it again for a Genji, Widow, Hanzo windmill slam. No regrets.
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Jun 17, 2016 08:11
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Thor-Stryker posted:Actual list of Legendary Skins that are “eh”: She has the "Heroes never die... at a price" line. It's not exclusive to the Devil skin.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I just did my first intentional dodge earlier today and let me tell you. Not medicking for 3 Genjis felt good. It was so much self-harm avoidance that it might as well have been a day at the spa. Never stop dodging. You can safely drop out during the hero select phase. I finally have a positive winrate on Mercy, and the only thing I do different is leave if they don't pick a tank in 30 seconds. I don't play to win, but it's a helluva lot more fun healing teams that have the basic roles filled. It's the even matches that are the most exciting.
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Jun 17, 2016 08:32
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redweird posted:McCree is fine now though? You can still wipe people if you get the drop on them. You just can't kill every character in the game now Which isn't a requirement for the 5 other offensive characters. Please stop playing McGarbage and go stomp face as Pharah, S:76 or Genji if you need to tickle that midrange itch.
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Jun 17, 2016 08:51
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Even still, Flashbang -> Fan the Hammer -> Roll -> Fan the Hammer can take out an unwary Winston or Reinhardt. It now just happens at a rate where you need some better reflexes when setting up and aiming to land enough shots to end them. Inversely with only one flashbang there's now the capacity to stop McCree if you leap away while he's firing wildly or just slam him into the wall. e: First impression from the rebalance changes, there's a fuckton more Zenyattas floatin around now.
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Jun 17, 2016 08:59
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Bluhman posted:First impression from the rebalance changes, there's a fuckton more Zenyattas floatin around now. Which sucks because he still can't carry main heals.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Which sucks because he still can't carry main heals. People not picking Lucio/Mercy when a Zenyatta is around isn't Zenyatta's fault.
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Jun 17, 2016 09:03
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McCree is McFree now
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McCree is still really good and both M1 and M2 are super amazing. Widow is also still really good but I can't get used to the no unscope between shots so I'm doing bad on her.
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Jun 17, 2016 09:14
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Bluhman posted:Even still, Flashbang -> Fan the Hammer -> Roll -> Fan the Hammer can take out an unwary Winston or Reinhardt. It now just happens at a rate where you need some better reflexes when setting up and aiming to land enough shots to end them. Inversely with only one flashbang there's now the capacity to stop McCree if you leap away while he's firing wildly or just slam him into the wall. S:76 and Pharah can do this without anything fancy besides half decent aim. Look, I'm not saying McCree didn't need the nerf in the sense that he was the best tank melter, but his entire kit revolves around mastering a not very rewarding one trick pony that leaves him helpless once played, slow as poo poo, no escapes, and no real ability to support the team. McCree needs a rework, like he has always required. There is never a time since patch when I go "hmm, yes what we need is a McCree". Nehru the Damaja posted:Which sucks because he still can't carry main heals. Have they ever experimented with allowing a double Harmony Orb?
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Jun 17, 2016 09:17
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it's noticeable now when you do not have a widowmaker on your team. She's quickly going from my least to most played just because someone needs to take out these bastions and hanzos and it sure as hell isn't going to be the genji on my team
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Jun 17, 2016 09:22
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might just start maining widow and winston. Either we'll destroy the enemy team because widowmaker, or the enemy have a better widow maker who pisses me off and what better time to switch to the gorilla
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FaustianQ posted:Which isn't a requirement for the 5 other offensive characters. Please stop playing McGarbage and go stomp face as Pharah, S:76 or Genji if you need to tickle that midrange itch. they didn't nerf mccree at midrange tho, he still has an incredibly powerful hitscan primary fire and he reloads it faster now
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Andrast posted:The worst part about playing Zenyatta is that people think he is a replacement for a lucio/mercy this is the best part about playing zenyatta imo
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