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There was article about Witch-hunts for gay men in the military it had something to do with Aids hysteria. Going to try to dig it up.
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And before someone gets it twisted, DADT was a horrible policy that deserved to go away. It was monstrous policy and a nightmare to serve under. Next week marks my 6th anniversary of getting out of the military and I'm still dealing with the emotional and mental scars. That said it was the best possible outcome at the time.
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Cythereal posted:I've heard similar stories from my uncle (career Navy): it was seen as imperfect to say the least, but it was actually a step up and more importantly officially recognized that gay people do indeed exist. To give some hilarious context to this: in the 1980s the navy was investigating homosexuality in their ranks and heard the term friend of Dorothy. They thought there was an actual woman named Dorothy and that she was at the center of some kind of gay conspiracy. This of course led to an actual search for her in the hopes of revealing the names of gay sailors. It was a very crazy time.
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^^^This is horrible and I'm so sorry for anyone caught up in that but this is the funniest loving story about government sanctioned bigotry I've heard in a while. "WE HAVE TO FIND THIS DORTHY LADY ALL THESE HOMOS ARE FRIENDS WITH" Nostalgia4Infinity posted:And before someone gets it twisted, DADT was a horrible policy that deserved to go away. It was monstrous policy and a nightmare to serve under. Next week marks my 6th anniversary of getting out of the military and I'm still dealing with the emotional and mental scars. Yea we should never pretend DADT was a GOOD thing, but we also can't act like there was some BETTER solution on the table Clinton walked away from. It was a terrible stopgap to fix a horrible problem, there's no excuse for it taking so long to fix but when people act like it was Clinton somehow making GBS threads on gays it's just absurd. It's almost as if up until very recently gay rights were a constant struggle to even get weak, half-assed, reforms to fix absolutely horrific abuses of basic human dignity or something. sexpig by night fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 19:55
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Bill himself admitted that the policy was a failure, I don't hold anything against him since I think his heart was in the right place but it didn't reduce discharges to the extent it was expected to.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:It's almost as if up until very recently gay rights were a constant struggle to even get weak, half-assed, reforms to fix absolutely horrific abuses of basic human dignity or something. It's shocking just how dramatically that's changed in recent years. My uncle's a submarine guy, and he said he'd never served on a boat where people gave a poo poo. He said subs are a place where things like that don't stay secret and in practice no one gave a gently caress. Might have just been what he saw, though, or maybe submarines are truly a different environment from the rest of the military.
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MaxxBot posted:Bill himself admitted that the policy was a failure, I don't hold anything against him since I think his heart was in the right place but it didn't reduce discharges to the extent it was expected to. DADT feels very "separate but equal" to me. I don't think progress and compromise mesh well, but I wanted to get thoughts from people who actually lived through it before passing judgment on it. If going back later and repealing the law you created is considered a great step forward, I don't think they can really argue it was a stepping stone for the LGBT community. I'm not LGBT myself though, so this is just conjecture.
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oh you're a Berniebro looking for sick  burnswell take it from an actual gay veteran DADT was a poo poo policy but it was better than witch hunts edit: and the law was repealed and replaced with no restrictions. so it went aggressively seeking out and showing gays the door -> keep your mouth shut and everything will be "ok" -> full and open service if you can't recognize that's a positive incremental situation I don't know what to tell you aside from don't forget to breathe Nostalgia4Infinity fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 20:19
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Reik posted:DADT feels very "separate but equal" to me. I don't think progress and compromise mesh well, but I wanted to get thoughts from people who actually lived through it before passing judgment on it. Progress is almost always a series of compromises moving from supression to equality. A few hundred years ago, gays were sinful abominations to be purged. Then they were criminals to be punished nonlethally. Then they were just mentally sick. Now they're people who are a little different, but deserve equality in most everything, and hopefully soon that'll just be "gays are people."
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RagnarokAngel posted:Not every MSM has HIV though. If they are monogamous and know they and their partner are HIV free it makes zero sense unless you think it spontaneously generates. According to the CDC roughly one in eight people with HIV aren't aware they're infected. Which is, if anything, a lower percentage than the percentage of ostensibly monogamous relationships that aren't. Hermetic posted:He's eilther too stupid to understand you, or trolling. Either way, the kid's not worth your time. You seem to be taking this weirdly personally. Do you have an actual argument you'd like to make? The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 20:27
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Yes why would someone in an LGBTQ thread be taking someone's lovely justification of a harmful homophobic stigma personally? HMMMMMMM...
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I'm shocked that that known contrarian-poster and QCS superstar the insect court has taken up a contrarian position in a thread in D&D. A position that coincidentally lets him be just a bit biased against gay people.
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God stop taking this so personally, it's not like people have spent the past 36 years claiming AIDS was a punishment from God for homosexuality or something. drat oversensitive fags.
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It's worth remembering the Clinton's platform in 1992 had been to remove restrictions on gay people in the military completely, but conservative democrats had teamed up with the republicans to block it. They were threatening to reaffirm the existing investigate and dishonorable discharge status quo.
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fishmech posted:It's worth remembering the Clinton's platform in 1992 had been to remove restrictions on gay people in the military completely, but conservative democrats had teamed up with the republicans to block it. They were threatening to reaffirm the existing investigate and dishonorable discharge status quo. The Clinton white house was literally the first time in American history we had a white house actively on our side in basically any way. First major (out) gay appointments, major pushes for HIV/AIDS coverage in medical benefits, hell they were even on the 'hey maybe stop bullying gay kids, I bet that's not good for them' train long before everyone else. We literally had people giving impassioned rants about how the clinton white house was the 'most pro-gay administration ever' as a slam on them. poo poo still sucked, it's like we're an oppressed minority or something, but some non-LGBT dude coming in to be all 'hrm I dunno if you think about it wasn't this just basically separate but equal' is loving bonkers.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:oh you're a Berniebro looking for sick I'm sorry that instead of assuming how I felt was correct I decided to go ask people who actually went through DADT to discuss it with them before coming to any conclusions. You loving got me, dude.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The Clinton white house was literally the first time in American history we had a white house actively on our side in basically any way. First major (out) gay appointments, major pushes for HIV/AIDS coverage in medical benefits, hell they were even on the 'hey maybe stop bullying gay kids, I bet that's not good for them' train long before everyone else. We literally had people giving impassioned rants about how the clinton white house was the 'most pro-gay administration ever' as a slam on them. Yeah people saying that the Clinton's don't support the LGBT community because of Marriage act and Clinton's continued insistance that she does not support gay marriage til 2013 is kind of what people focus on ,but they really did do a lot of good for the community when Bill was in office. Reminder Joe Biden voted for DOMA. People can change their viewpoints and opinions. If they change them for the better then that's even better because someone's mind has been changed. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Cythereal posted:It's shocking just how dramatically that's changed in recent years. My uncle's a submarine guy, and he said he'd never served on a boat where people gave a poo poo. He said subs are a place where things like that don't stay secret and in practice no one gave a gently caress. The navy has always been a different sort of place. Every sailor has known gay sailors throughout all time. Admiral Mike Mullen was part of the force that finally got rid of DADT and forced the services to be open. From the start of his time as chairman of the joint chiefs he pushed for repeal. He talked about gay sailors he served with in vietnam and that no one gave a gently caress then or should now. I knew a ton of gay sailors, both men and women. The only time it ever was an issue was because of a rank issue never anything else. No one cared. The only time it was an issue was when an chief was loving a seaman (high rank to low rank) underway pretty openly. It was on an all male ship. The rank thing was the only problem. The chief ended up losing his anchors and being forced to retire. The other guy was just transferred to a new command.
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Reik posted:I'm sorry that instead of assuming how I felt was correct I decided to go ask people who actually went through DADT to discuss it with them before coming to any conclusions. Don't get salty because you got caught fishing. 
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Don't get salty because you got caught fishing. You're the one that called me a "Berniebro", a term used to insinuate sexism, so yeah I got a bit salty.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The navy has always been a different sort of place. Every sailor has known gay sailors throughout all time. Admiral Mike Mullen was part of the force that finally got rid of DADT and forced the services to be open. From the start of his time as chairman of the joint chiefs he pushed for repeal. He talked about gay sailors he served with in vietnam and that no one gave a gently caress then or should now. Ah, didn't know how much truth there was to that being a general Navy thing rather than specifically a submarine thing. My uncle always said submariners are a weird breed in the Navy, but that might be him just telling stories.
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No, submariners are loving weird. Your uncle was right on that, too. But basically no one gave a gently caress about gay people.
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49 gay people were murdered recently in americas deadliest shooting but I think we should also take time to mourn an additional casualty: the pride of a straight dude who got called a berniebro on the internet
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RIP Straight Pride (lol I wish)
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Control Volume posted:49 gay people were murdered recently in americas deadliest shooting but I think we should also take time to mourn an additional casualty: the pride of a straight dude who got called a berniebro on the internet When you think about it, those people are dead, and free of pain. But his butthurt will continue for DAYS. The pain may even force him to stop being an ally. 
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MaxxBot posted:God stop taking this so personally, it's not like people have spent the past 36 years claiming AIDS was a punishment from God for homosexuality or something. drat oversensitive fags. "stop being offended" they said to the people who consistently have been treated as subhuman for their whole lives
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Control Volume posted:49 gay people were murdered recently in americas deadliest shooting but I think we should also take time to mourn an additional casualty: the pride of a straight dude who got called a berniebro on the internet Are all of your posts this terrible, or is this one just exceptionally bad?
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Reik posted:Are all of your posts this terrible, or is this one just exceptionally bad? it's good actually
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Reik posted:Are all of your posts this terrible, or is this one just exceptionally bad? that was a great post, sorry berniebro
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After careful cross examination of this dudes posting and popular 4chan slang, Im proud to announce that reik is now officially lgbt
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Reik posted:Are all of your posts this terrible, or is this one just exceptionally bad? Man...I was going to recommend you just apologize and move on. But now you've gone down the bad path.
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Control Volume posted:After careful cross examination of this dudes posting and popular 4chan slang, Im proud to announce that reik is now officially lgbt Maybe he and jivjov can form a support group 
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there should be a version of the die cis sscum gif but with straight instead of cis
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Well it's been a good run of 14 pages.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Maybe he and jivjov can form a support group I stopped reading the last thread when every other page was people roleplaying how they would totally own Kim Davis in an argument. What ended up being the deal with jivjov?
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GlitchThief posted:I stopped reading the last thread when every other page was people roleplaying how they would totally own Kim Davis in an argument. What ended up being the deal with jivjov? If the majority will not stand up in support of the minority, it's all for naught.
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GlitchThief posted:I stopped reading the last thread when every other page was people roleplaying how they would totally own Kim Davis in an argument. What ended up being the deal with jivjov? I'm fuzzy on the details but basically "what about the straights" "lol no one gives a poo poo" "i'm taking my ball and going home"
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm fuzzy on the details but basically thank loving god
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Note to straight people posting here in the future: Take note of the last few pages, and just don't mention that you're straight and you won't have bigots jumping down your throat at first opportunity. Also please don't let this thread paint your picture of the lgbt community. It's underscored here but they are for the vast majority a lot of good, friendly people.
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Ran Mad Dog posted:Note to straight people posting here in the future: Take note of the last few pages, and just don't mention that you're straight and you won't have bigots jumping down your throat at first opportunity. 
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