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buses are crap b/c they hafta use surface streets and typically share the road w/ traffic and can't preempt traffic signalization and this all makes them slow and impossible to accurately or consistently schedule long haul buses are more ok tho 
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:buses are crap b/c they hafta use surface streets and typically share the road w/ traffic and can't preempt traffic signalization and this all makes them slow and impossible to accurately schedule agreed but if ur dealing with a local govt as incompetent as useless as chicago you can get a bus line to cover a poor neighborhood much more easily than getting proper subways and trains running through. id rather we have a proper radial beltway train system but given how much worse it could be ill take it
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Jun 17, 2016 21:43
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long haul buses are more like trains but faster because they don't make 50 stops an hour
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Jun 17, 2016 21:44
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the bus from Portland to boston is like 1:30 cause the bus driver does like 90 same as all the cars around him. the train from Portland to boston takes like 3:30 cause it stops every 10 miles
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Jun 17, 2016 21:46
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but then the train has alcohol and is more comfortable. tradeoffs.
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bump_fn posted:agreed but if ur dealing with a local govt as incompetent as useless as chicago you can get a bus line to cover a poor neighborhood much more easily than getting proper subways and trains running through. id rather we have a proper radial beltway train system but given how much worse it could be ill take it its best use case is as a "bus bridge" stopgap measure in situations like when you've gotta do critical repairs to other, better systems but yea long term it's just the barest of bare minimum service for poor folks
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Jun 17, 2016 21:47
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is there a proper name for the radial +spokes style layout like the Moscow metro cause that's the best
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Jun 17, 2016 21:48
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lmao ttc mixed traffic streetcars represent!
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bump_fn posted:is there a proper name for the radial +spokes style layout like the Moscow metro cause that's the best radial and spoke also people keep trying to get me to suck the BRT cock but lol I have yet to see an implementation that works as planned. on paper great and I'm all for it but the silver line deployment in Boston is loving criminal
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bump_fn posted:is there a proper name for the radial +spokes style layout like the Moscow metro cause that's the best spoke-hub layout
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Jun 17, 2016 21:51
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street cars are the worst possible mode of transport. all the downsides of a bus and train combined
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Jun 17, 2016 21:52
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Grandmaster.flv posted:radial and spoke mississauga has one under construction now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississauga_Transitway what there is of it works well, but the connecting routes suffer from the usual issues of insufficiently frequent connections
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also nothing at the top end of the system map exists or will exist before 2025, charitably
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Jun 17, 2016 21:54
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Shaggar posted:street cars are the worst possible mode of transport. all the downsides of a bus and train combined you are right, street cars really are the worst possible mode of transport for society. even streetcars are better (got u)
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Jun 17, 2016 22:08
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Shaggar posted:yes buses are pointless in maine because things are too far apart to make them worth while for intercity transport and our cities and towns are small enough that you can walk everywhere. subway and elevated are rail are ultra expensive per mile in brownfield areas, requiring increasing property taxes or other taxes id rather get 24hr bus service for pennies in comparison
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Jun 17, 2016 22:21
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Shaggar posted:street cars are the worst possible mode of transport. all the downsides of a bus and train combined shaggar was right
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Jun 17, 2016 22:21
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other fun options: guided busways
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Jun 17, 2016 22:22
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Shaggar posted:you can walk or ride the subway everywhere in boston which is how it should be shaggar was extremely wrong
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Jun 17, 2016 22:23
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Malcolm XML posted:subway and elevated are rail are ultra expensive per mile in brownfield areas, requiring increasing property taxes or other taxes I'm ok w/ paying for good infrastructure like subway
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Jun 17, 2016 22:41
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Captain Foo posted:shaggar was extremely wrong shagger puts his big boy pants on a few times a year and goes to the big city in boston and he feels this gives him enough understanding of what it's like to live somewhere that's not lovely like maine
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Jun 17, 2016 22:46
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not rly related but i got this for my dad special ttc edition
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Jun 17, 2016 22:47
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Shaggar posted:I'm ok w/ paying for good infrastructure like subway tell this to boston tia
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spectres of autism posted:not rly related but i got this for my dad this is pro as gently caress and a seriously good dadgift
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Jun 17, 2016 22:56
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spectres of autism posted:not rly related but i got this for my dad pro gift
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Jun 17, 2016 23:31
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Malcolm XML posted:electric buses in not-shitholes own sry it's happening friend http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/world-s-first-electric-double-decker-bus-london-a6934646.html here it comes
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infernal machines posted:blue-sky speculation about turning a major downtown thoroughfare into a car-free zone in toronto let's loving do this thing now
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Jun 17, 2016 23:39
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BRT is insanely good in asia apparently SL1 to the airport is fine, i have always had on time experiences with it the rest of the silver line is literally just bus, idk why they pretend it isnt
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Captain Foo posted:Lmao at the concept of Boston's road system being unfuckedupable literally just re-mark the comm ave linear park, direct path thru garden, and direct path across the common as proper MUP and ta da! bicycle link from good poo poo on mass ave to no-car zone in DTX
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Jun 18, 2016 00:17
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instead, right now, if you obey the law, you can either get murdered by cars on boylston or become aggressively sweaty climbing beacon hill for no reason
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Jun 18, 2016 00:18
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Chris Knight posted:let's loving do this thing now i'm down. gently caress i'll start installing bollards at all the cross intersections tonight if it'll get this poo poo built
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Bloody posted:instead, right now, if you obey the law, you can either get murdered by cars https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/06/15/safety-campaign-points-fingers-at-the-wrong-suspect-keenan.html
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infernal machines posted:https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/06/15/safety-campaign-points-fingers-at-the-wrong-suspect-keenan.html lol loving murder cars
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Jun 18, 2016 01:25
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I'm on a bus, can't wait for that wifi and usb 
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:buses are crap b/c they hafta use surface streets and typically share the road w/ traffic and can't preempt traffic signalization and this all makes them slow and impossible to accurately or consistently schedule buses are actually great. if you run enough scheduling doesn't matter and you aim for a consistent headway. they are cheap and make the rest of your transit system more viable + plus can serve otherwise uneconomical areas.
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yeah buses are extremely good
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pointsofdata posted:buses are actually great. if you run enough scheduling doesn't matter and you aim for a consistent headway. they are cheap and make the rest of your transit system more viable + plus can serve otherwise uneconomical areas. 
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Shaggar posted:I'm ok w/ paying for good infrastructure like subway its also not physically possible due to other things, like buildings and pits of plague victims being in the way
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yeah im with shaggar that they aren't the only answer and suck balls in isolation but they fill the gaps and are a vanguard for justifying light rail and poo poo
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Malcolm XML posted:yeah im with shaggar that they aren't the only answer and suck balls in isolation but they fill the gaps and are a vanguard for justifying light rail and poo poo cities with excellent rail + busses own so hard, none are in the US good night bus service gets your drunk rear end home for like $2 buses are good
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mishaq posted:cities with excellent rail + busses own so hard, none are in the US night buses are a life experience to be savored
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