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I rewatched The Prestige last night and it's a really good film, probably Nolan's best and most balanced movie. One thing that I noticed about it this time around is that Angier's transported man trick appears to end with the real Angier being teleported, whereas in the flashback scene of him using the machine for the first time, it seems the real Angier stays put and the duplicate is the transported one. Are we to infer that despite Angier's line about not knowing whether he would be "the man in the tank," that he was in fact always creating and destroying duplicates of himself with the same exact memories and identity, and that the original Angier was killed a long time ago?
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Well, the movie itself tells you it doesn't matter (cf. "they're all your hat") but yes, the original either dies when he tests the machine or the first time he performs the trick.
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Jun 14, 2016 14:30
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But as far as I can tell all the clones think they're the original because they have the same thoughts and memories etc... The last thing any of them would remember was being inside the machine so from their perspective they've been teleported out.
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Jun 14, 2016 14:37
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dokmo posted:I rented it from google play and unfortunately it wasn't stupid enough to be fun, and far too competent to make fun of. The hero is a fat Korean soldier who can't fight well on screen—Fedor Emelianenko, an actual real life fighter, and really the only reason to watch this, doesn't get much to do. Fuuuck, that sucks. Did Michael Madsen wake up enough to do any actual acting or did he sleepwalk through the entire film?
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Jun 14, 2016 14:40
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FishBulb posted:But as far as I can tell all the clones think they're the original because they have the same thoughts and memories etc... The last thing any of them would remember was being inside the machine so from their perspective they've been teleported out. Unless the machine really is teleporting him, but is also leaving a perfect clone behind as a by-product! Really though, "They're all your hat" is the right answer. You know this, because it's being said by David Bowie.
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Jun 14, 2016 14:46
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Shanty posted:Really though, "They're all your hat" is the right answer. You know this, because it's being said by David Bowie. Also the scene where Angier shoots "himself" after testing it for the first time, he's in the midst of yelling out, "no wait, I'm the real -" when he is shot. They're all the real Angier.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:00
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Well they all think they are. I don't think the movie tries to argue about what makes some one a "real" version of a person. It's kind of an advanced philosophical question and all
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Jun 14, 2016 15:03
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Well the movie's themes are all about duplicity and mistaken identities so the ambiguity around whether Angier is the original Angier at the movie's end is probably an intentional choice.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:06
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Fuuuck, that sucks. Did Michael Madsen wake up enough to do any actual acting or did he sleepwalk through the entire film? It felt like he put some effort into his role, which was pretty large.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:32
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By the end of the movie there can't be an original anymore if that's the thing we're trying to sort. The first experiment has the distant Angier being shot and killed while the showtime experiments have the stage Angier being killed. If we have to pick one or the other as "original" then it doesn't matter by the end since both versions had been killed during the movie's run time.
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Jun 14, 2016 15:34
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Unless after the first experiment Angier flipped the "teleport dude" switch in reverse so that he'd end up being the transported one!
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Jun 14, 2016 15:46
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dokmo posted:It felt like he put some effort into his role, which was pretty large. he squinted like 20% more than usual
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Jun 14, 2016 18:15
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I mean, the important thing to take away from Angiers madness was that no matter who appeared where or was cloned or transported, he thought death was preferable to letting Borden "win".
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Jun 14, 2016 20:54
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I mean, the important thing to take away from Angiers madness was that no matter who appeared where or was cloned or transported, he thought death was preferable to letting Borden "win". I mean, yes. But behind that it was really about the look on their faces. Madness isn't the right word for it, though. It's obsession, and he and Tesla laid it out pretty succintly: quote:Nikola Tesla: Mr. Angier, have you considered the cost of such a machine? feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 21:48
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Angier could've kept all the clones alive and taken over the world with a million copies of himself. What a fool. Or just made 9 of them and started a baseball team.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:40
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I think what makes the Prestige so great is that unlike Nolan's later Batman films and Interstellar, he was just willing to let the characters and cinematography do the work of telling the story instead of inserting all these grandstandy monologues about "I represent this thing and YOU represent that thing do you get it yet audience??" Despite the narrative jumping all over the place you never lose your sense of space and time. It's just super solid all around.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:16
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effectual posted:Angier could've kept all the clones alive and taken over the world with a million copies of himself. What a fool. Or just have a bunch of identical assistants. He could disguise them with maybe a fake beard and/or some glasses. They could help him with tricks and all kinds of things. Of course, there might be troubles with Angier's personal relationships.
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Jun 15, 2016 10:55
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Also Christopher Nolan directing a super serious remake of Multiplicity is something I never knew I needed in my life before now.
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Jun 15, 2016 10:56
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cheerfullydrab posted:Or just have a bunch of identical assistants. He could disguise them with maybe a fake beard and/or some glasses. They could help him with tricks and all kinds of things. Of course, there might be troubles with Angier's personal relationships. Or the fact that they're all pathologically incapable of sharing a spotlight. I wouldn't mind seeing Cutter go through it a couple of times trying to work out the design, but then again I'd watch Michael Caine do just about anything.
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Jun 15, 2016 21:12
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Cerv posted:Coohoolin spotted This isn't the UKMT
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Schweinhund posted:he squinted like 20% more than usual He was good in h8ful 8. Basically when the script plays to his strengths he fuckin shines.
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You know, I've seen Escape From LA many times and I've never seen a credited Breckin Meyer as "Surfer" in it. There doesn't seem to be any discussion of him being cut from it online, but could his name still be in the credits if he only filmed a later-deleted scene? Nothing in Google Image Search, IMDB forums... is he in there or not?
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Jun 19, 2016 19:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OOGXZEWmIM Please tell me this movie is available for streaming somewhere, right now.
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Jun 23, 2016 00:37
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Put on yer gamer suits, gents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTNMjM4KdWY
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Jun 23, 2016 02:21
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Pootybutt posted:Put on yer gamer suits, gents haha wat. I didn't expect it to actually be a movie. I thought it was an ad for some gaming reality show or something. I don't understand why the NPC talks in weird digital robot voice. Yes of all the things in that video, I think that's the thing that makes the least sense.
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Jun 23, 2016 02:26
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Snak posted:haha wat. I first saw this like a couple weeks ago(opening this week!) and thinking about that guy's crazy voice still kills me. Just...why???
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Pootybutt posted:I first saw this like a couple weeks ago(opening this week!) and thinking about that guy's crazy voice still kills me. Just...why??? Like video games have completely realistic voices. Then I got farther into the trailer and I was like "oh... it's SAW but with video games". Like if SAW and Gamer and Stay Alive all had a baby together. I want to play a game... and if you die in the game, you die in real life.
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Jun 23, 2016 02:38
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Pootybutt posted:Put on yer gamer suits, gents I like the comments
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Hat Thoughts posted:I like the comments You're right, those are rhe chillest yt comments ever. Bad movies really do bring us together.
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Hat Thoughts posted:I like the comments haha, not what I expected. Pretty funny.
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Jun 23, 2016 03:00
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What's the deal with the scenes in Sum Of All Fears where Affleck drives around in a burning city? Why does he drive into the city after stuff goes down? I saw it late last night and couldn't figure out what he was trying to do there.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:12
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Wasn't he trying to find his wife or something?
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Jul 1, 2016 11:13
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Its been a while since I've seen that movie but I think hes looking for Morgan Freeman's character after a nuke goes off during the superbowl. or maybe I'm thinking of a separate movie.
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0 rows returned posted:Its been a while since I've seen that movie but I think hes looking for Morgan Freeman's character after a nuke goes off during the superbowl. That sounds like the movie I'm thinking of. Just picturing Aflac in the helicopter going all damnit I'm in a Tom Clancy novel poo poo
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syscall girl posted:That sounds like the movie I'm thinking of. Just picturing Aflac in the helicopter going all damnit I'm in a Tom Clancy novel All I remember about that movie is Clancy and his fans being infuriated that, like just a year after 9/11, the movie producers decided to change the villains from the Muslims they were in the book to neo-Nazis. Because I guess Clancy needed to see his Islamophobia on the big screen or whatever.
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I was watching some low budget thrillers from the 70s and noticed that they were filmed without sound, dialogue and sound effects being added later. This was I believe very common. But similar movies made today all seem to have sound recorded as they were filming. When did this change and why? If budget constraints made live sounds unfeasible in the 70s, what changed since then? Some kind of technical innovation? Or am I mistaken in thinking that low budget movies are recorded with sound today, and that ADR techniques have just improved greatly?
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dokmo posted:I was watching some low budget thrillers from the 70s and noticed that they were filmed without sound, dialogue and sound effects being added later. This was I believe very common. But similar movies made today all seem to have sound recorded as they were filming. When did this change and why? If budget constraints made live sounds unfeasible in the 70s, what changed since then? Some kind of technical innovation? Or am I mistaken in thinking that low budget movies are recorded with sound today, and that ADR techniques have just improved greatly? Were the movies Italian? Italian films from that period have all their sound done in post for 2 reasons 1) made it easier to dub in multiple languages for the international market and 2) the largest film studio was located like 5 miles from an international airport, so everything would have the live mix ruined by the sound of aircraft landing and taking off.
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dokmo posted:I was watching some low budget thrillers from the 70s and noticed that they were filmed without sound, dialogue and sound effects being added later. This was I believe very common. But similar movies made today all seem to have sound recorded as they were filming. When did this change and why? If budget constraints made live sounds unfeasible in the 70s, what changed since then? Some kind of technical innovation? Or am I mistaken in thinking that low budget movies are recorded with sound today, and that ADR techniques have just improved greatly? A lot of those movies were made in Italy and to cater to foreign markets they were recorded completely without sound - even Italian versions are completely dubbed over. They pulled a lot of American actors so it was common to think that it was an American film at the time.
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What's the music that plays in this scene in Christine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG5wWl--zw The song in the second half when she's fixing herself, with the guitar and saxophone, doesn't appear on the soundtrack. dokmo posted:I was watching some low budget thrillers from the 70s and noticed that they were filmed without sound, dialogue and sound effects being added later. This was I believe very common. But similar movies made today all seem to have sound recorded as they were filming. When did this change and why? If budget constraints made live sounds unfeasible in the 70s, what changed since then? Some kind of technical innovation? Or am I mistaken in thinking that low budget movies are recorded with sound today, and that ADR techniques have just improved greatly? Sync audio for a low-budget filmmaker in the 70s would've been a huge pain in the rear end ordeal involving reel-to-reel tapes, boom mics, and prayer (if you haven't seen Blow Out, please do so). Audio tech has gotten a LOT better since, especially with the advent of digital recorders and cheaper wireless mics, but there's still tons of ADR that goes on. I don't remember the number but from what I've heard the percentage of dialogue that you hear in a movie that's ADR is surprisingly high, even/especially on big budget movies.
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