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High Lord Elbow posted:The unspoken truth about TFA is that for some people, it needs to be more than just a good movie - it needs to be a universe they can obsess over for the next twenty years of their broken manchild lives. How long have we been posting about the prequels again? 
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TFA isn't as good as ESB but ESB is also really overrated. TFA is still good though. RotJ is also severely underrated.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:35
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Guy A. Person posted:TFA isn't as good as ESB but ESB is also really overrated. TFA is still good though. RotJ is also severely underrated. Fans have long ago run out of interesting things to say about the film, but feel obligated, so we're left with people repeating "it's good" over and over 'til the next film comes out.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:42
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TFA is what happens when you get fooled into thinking Star Wars is a seminal cultural touchstone full of grandeur and awe and not the weirdo pet project of some squirrely little anthropology majoring Buck Rogers loving freak from Modesto.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:48
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Star Wars is definitely a seminal cultural touchstone, but that doesn't really have much to do with the movies themselves.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:49
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It's not unfair to say TFA is the least memorable of the Star Wars films. The OT was amazing for it's day (and still is) and the PT is in the running for some of the worst movies ever made so I suppose they're memorable in that regard. I'll never forget counting all the racist caricatures in TPM, or AotC having the most awkward romance scenes ever filmed. So in that regard, TFA, while good, might not stick out as much. And that's fine.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:53
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when i think of star wars i think of empire strikes back, then rey finn and ren, then how bad and boring old han and leia were, then a bunch of eu stuff
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Jun 17, 2016 19:00
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oddium posted:when i think of star wars i think of empire strikes back, then rey finn and ren, then how bad and boring old han and leia were, then a bunch of eu stuff I'm beginning to think Star Wars fans do not actually like Star Wars.
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Jun 17, 2016 19:05
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm beginning to think Star Wars fans do not actually like Star Wars. i like star wars
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Jun 17, 2016 19:10
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Yaws posted:It's not unfair to say TFA is the least memorable of the Star Wars films. The OT was amazing for it's day (and still is) and the PT is in the running for some of the worst movies ever made so I suppose they're memorable in that regard. I'll never forget counting all the racist caricatures in TPM, or AotC having the most awkward romance scenes ever filmed. I was going to disagree with you on AotC but I'm pretty sure that terrible sand line will live on forever.
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Jun 17, 2016 19:11
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oddium posted:i like star wars There's a difference between claiming to do something, even believing you're doing something, and actually doing it. The form of your expression - the brief youtube comment - is not 'liking'.
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Jun 17, 2016 19:34
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There's a difference between claiming to do something, even believing you're doing something, and actually doing it. star wars is good e: i like it
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Jun 17, 2016 20:46
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porfiria posted:TFA is what happens when you get fooled into thinking Star Wars is a seminal cultural touchstone full of grandeur and awe and not the weirdo pet project of some squirrely little anthropology majoring Buck Rogers loving freak from Modesto. It is only when you accept that both are true that you can start appreciating Star Wars for what it is instead of what you want it to be. Edit: The next Star Wars movies need to be weirdo pet projects too.
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Jun 17, 2016 21:15
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There's a difference between claiming to do something, even believing you're doing something, and actually doing it. If your argument is based on the fact that the commonly understood definition of a word isn't the definition you are using, perhaps you are using the wrong word. Appreciate. The word you're looking for is appreciate. You're trying to say Star Wars fans do not Appreciate Star Wars. Try saying that from now on instead of having the same circular argument for the seventeenth time.
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Jun 17, 2016 21:45
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There's a difference between claiming to do something, even believing you're doing something, and actually doing it. So what you're saying is, I should leave all my personal objects behind and learn the ways of the force?
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Jun 17, 2016 22:59
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Fans have long ago run out of interesting things to say about the film, but feel obligated, so we're left with people repeating "it's good" over and over 'til the next film comes out. At one point in time I was planning a big tryhard post about a major theme of the film being the interchangeability of the heroes' roles. Like people when the movie pointed out talked about how each character mapped to certain characteristics of the ANH cast: Poe starts the movie extremely similarly to Leia but obviously has elements of Han and Luke, Rey starts like Luke but then flies the Falcon like Han and gets captured on Death Star 3 like Leia, Finn starts off at the halfway point in Luke's ANH storyline taking off his storm trooper helmet to free the Leia stand-in (and you get the impression he is basically what Luke would have been if he had become a storm trooper as planned and then got squeamish and quit), etc. But then there's also stuff like: Finn essentially becomes Poe for a time, taking his signature jacket and robot buddy and mission and becoming a "bid deal in the Resistance". And then after Rey is captured, Maz tries to pawn off the lightsaber that she was going to give Rey to Finn; you get the impression she was just waiting for some plucky young adventurer to wander in so she could give the saber to them, then when the first one didn't work out she went to the next one in line. But anyway I was mostly just responding to the discussion about whether it was "good". It is good.
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Jun 17, 2016 23:29
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A lot of the lack of discussion has to do with reception to both positive and negative effortposts: negative posts don't see much attention outside of people who already agree, positive posts get replied with "fanfiction." "That's a stretch" "nope" or *mock outrage at the topic introduced*. Since neither are particularly interested in interacting with the other [in an honest fashion], there's not much to say. As for this serving as a measurement of quality: I would say that it reflects well on TFA's fans that they are comfortable enough in their enjoyment to not require backpatting and/or years of posts that TFA is good.
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Jun 17, 2016 23:38
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Neurolimal posted:As for this serving as a measurement of quality: I would say that it reflects well on TFA's fans that they are comfortable enough in their enjoyment to not require backpatting and/or years of posts that TFA is good. Hrmmm is there something specific you are referring to here Neuro??
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Guy A. Person posted:Hrmmm is there something specific you are referring to here Neuro?? I think it's pretty obvious. That's not to say that the people I'm referring to are wrong or have poor taste, only that these actions invoke an air of insecurity
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Jun 17, 2016 23:52
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It was really weird when this thread was just four TFA fans making GBS threads on whatever I said.
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Jun 18, 2016 00:05
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It was really weird when this thread was just four TFA fans making GBS threads on whatever I said. If it makes you feel better, I also think you're an imbecile. I just don't think you're worth many keystrokes.
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Akett posted:If your argument is based on the fact that the commonly understood definition of a word isn't the definition you are using, perhaps you are using the wrong word. You misunderstand: the point is not that 'liking' doesn't occur, but that what is liked is not Star Wars (which is, remember, a series of feature films). The target of the 'like' may be any number of things: participation in a fandom, hype, memes, youtube commentary, etc. There are something like a half-dozen fan documentaries mythologizing the prerelease hype for Phantom Menace, because this narrative of the collective hype and subsequent 'betrayal' has fully eclipsed that of any actual Star Wars film(s). As I understand it, there is even a fiction film where the entire narrative revolves around hardcore Star Wars fans who eventually admit at the end that the actual movies suck, but that hype has brought them together - a perfect example of that "I'm spiritual but not religious", "the power was inside you the whole time" sort of deal.
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Jun 18, 2016 00:38
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TFA was a prety good movie but not as good as Creed which should have won best picture
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You misunderstand: the point is not that 'liking' doesn't occur, but that what is liked is not Star Wars (which is, remember, a series of feature films). The target of the 'like' may be any number of things: participation in a fandom, hype, memes, youtube commentary, etc. i don't think you like star wars as much as i do
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Jun 18, 2016 00:48
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i like star wars a lot, for reference
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oddium posted:i like star wars a lot, for reference Not as much as I do.
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Jun 18, 2016 00:53
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*steps forward from the crowd* No, I am Star Wars Liker!
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Neurolimal posted:*steps forward from the crowd* No, I am Star Wars Liker! This is not believable at all, mate.
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PBS Newshour posted:TFA was a prety good movie but not as good as Creed which should have won best picture Yes this. Creed was excellent. jivjov posted:Not as much as I do. Probably true. I for one, would've never paid to see Clone Wars in the theater.
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PBS Newshour posted:TFA was a prety good movie but not as good as Creed which should have won best picture
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Jun 18, 2016 01:00
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The Revenant should have won Best Film.
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Jun 18, 2016 01:01
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At least Neurolimnal had the conviction to write a whole incoherent crazy-book about Space Millennials.
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Jun 18, 2016 01:02
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I would be more worried to hear that you thought it was coherent, honestly.
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euphronius posted:The Revenant should have won Best Film. said one person ever. the person who wants it to be viewed in a temple.
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Jun 18, 2016 01:17
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It was a great movie op. Is.
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Jun 18, 2016 01:18
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it was fun. but that's it.
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Jun 18, 2016 01:25
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Every award not given to Mad Max was an award de-legitimized imo especially Best Animated Feature Film
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You misunderstand: the point is not that 'liking' doesn't occur, but that what is liked is not Star Wars (which is, remember, a series of feature films). The target of the 'like' may be any number of things: participation in a fandom, hype, memes, youtube commentary, etc. In that case a more accurate statement would be "The Star Wars films are not the thing liked by Star Wars fans." The problem with "Star Wars fans do not like Star Wars" is that it inherently leads into a pedantic argument before anything of value can actually be said. The pedantic argument also tends to generate needless hostility because they think you are attacking them directly. You can skip past the pedantry before it even begins.
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Akett posted:In that case a more accurate statement would be "The Star Wars films are not the thing liked by Star Wars fans." The problem with "Star Wars fans do not like Star Wars" is that it inherently leads into a pedantic argument before anything of value can actually be said. The pedantic argument also tends to generate needless hostility because they think you are attacking them directly. You can skip past the pedantry before it even begins. Pedantry? In MY Cinema Discusso?
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ungulateman posted:Pedantry? In MY Cinema Discusso? It's more likely than you think.
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