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Spoondick posted:Society comes loving unglued when food runs out. Society exists because it makes it easier to survive. A society that fails to deliver the ability to eat is failing at the most basic portion of its purpose. Best of luck to all Venezuelan goons and their families. Hope whatever happens, whether it's getting out or new leadership or Maduro magically figures out how to not be the worst, improves your lives.
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Jun 15, 2016 14:48
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So which do you think Maduro is going out as, Ceausescu or Mussolini style?
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Jun 15, 2016 14:51
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Gozinbulx posted:So which do you think Maduro is going out as, Ceausescu or Mussolini style? I'd bet that he's going out Ceausescu style. He's going to keep up the charade that he's the strong, hard-working son of Chavez, the leader of the brave and proud people of Venezuela until the very last minute.
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Jun 15, 2016 15:07
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Reading about Ceaușescu and: The mass meeting of 21 December, held in what is now Revolution Square, began like many of Ceaușescu's speeches over the years. Ceaușescu spoke of the achievements of the "Socialist revolution" and Romanian "multi-laterally developed Socialist society." He also blamed the Timișoara riots on "fascist agitators who want to destroy socialism." History really repeats itself.
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Jun 15, 2016 15:27
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El Hefe posted:History really repeats itself. Ain't that the sad truth.
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Jun 15, 2016 15:39
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It must be upsetting for the makers of those white chips on top that hungry looters won't even steal your product.
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Jun 15, 2016 17:52
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Wow, Romania and Venezuela have a lot more similarities than I expected. Right down to a stupid economy dominated by oil and misguided priorities over paying debt.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:15
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tetsul posted:It must be upsetting for the makers of those white chips on top that hungry looters won't even steal your product. Venezuelans are very short due to malnutrition
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Jun 16, 2016 00:24
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Scaramouche posted:Venezuelans are very short due to malnutrition Finally an explanation for my semi-dwarfism.
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Jun 16, 2016 07:15
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Reuters article about the breakdown in schooling: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-education-idUSKCN0Z222E
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Jun 16, 2016 18:07
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One of the things I was told was going to happen ended up happening, a bit late, but it ended up happening. Almagro, secretary general of the OAS, is now going to be investigated, and potentially removed from his position, just before the session about the Venezuelan crisis next Thursday, the tally ended up being, surprisingly, 19-12, which leads me to think that there will not be any sanctions taken against Venezuela in future sessions. The government has negotiated with both the US and the opposition, and the end result is that international pressure will go down, which means that the referendum is very, very unlikely to happen this year. The true nightmare hasn't even begun for the Venezuelan people.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:59
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I have heard that Almagro's going to be investigated, and Argentina's last-second change of heart at the special session two weeks ago is a pretty clear sign that the case against Venezuela at the OAS isn't a slam dunk. Still, I have difficulty believing that there's been some kind of backroom deal made to keep Maduro in power. Not only would that deal be in the race for history's most short-sighted compromise, but I don't see what cards Maduro is holding. I've often heard the analogy of the recall referendum being a pressure valve (perhaps the only pressure valve) for the crisis in the country. If it's stability that the US wants, allowing Maduro to get away with not holding the referendum this year is quite likely to blow up in a spectacular way before the end of the year.
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Jun 17, 2016 13:33
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You are missing the likely obvious answer: that there was simply a very large bribe involved.
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Jun 17, 2016 13:51
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Arkane posted:Reuters article about the breakdown in schooling: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-education-idUSKCN0Z222E AP does a very similar story today, with video/pictures: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/05ca9b54a1ef4211a653b25d9156929a/no-food-no-teachers-violence-failing-venezuela-schools Not exactly heartwarming what is happening
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Jun 17, 2016 14:16
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-Troika- posted:You are missing the likely obvious answer: that there was simply a very large bribe involved. There's no way a giant bribe didn't happen, yeah. I mean bribes can take many shapes, and supporting Maduro is obviously against the Venezuelans ' best interests. Anyone supporting him in an international level is doing it for his (or his people's) interest and nothing more. gently caress Venezuelans.
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Jun 17, 2016 14:27
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Yeah, I totally forgot the bribe angle. This all makes a lot more sense when you consider that a factor. In any case, it's still really short sighted and so, so disappointing. In other news, the headquarters of El Nacional (which is probably the biggest newspaper in the country) was attacked by a colectivo armado [pro-government armed group]. The attackers were armed and tried to break into the building, but when they failed to get through the security gate they threw excrement at the building and wrote graffiti that reads: "CHAMA a rebellious people". The group identified itself as "ChaMa", which is probably a combination of "Chavez" and "Maduro". " Here are pictures of the vandalism:  This one is  because it shows what appears to be feces: Here you go.They also left behind a pamphlet, which I've translated below:  quote:Dear El NAZIonal: Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 15:23
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prosperous country.
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Jun 17, 2016 15:59
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Chuck Boone posted:Yeah, I totally forgot the bribe angle. This all makes a lot more sense when you consider that a factor. jesus. how deluded are these sacks of poo poo. your government failed badly and people are starving and dying in the streets. its also broke and continues to hemorrhage money/business/educated people while maduro and his party wipe their asses on the constitution and burn money. I am honestly genuinely surprised their hasn't been a uprising yet.(yeah i know the military is bed with bus driver but holy poo poo) I will sound like a tone def armchair rear end in a top hat(sorry Venezuelan goons) but i am starting to think that a rebellion is the only way out. kill maduro and all the PVSU shitheads and pray a better goverment forms.
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Jun 18, 2016 00:42
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I think I loving contracted Zika. This country just keeps on giving.
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Jun 18, 2016 04:10
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fnox posted:I think I loving contracted Zika. This country just keeps on giving. Just don't have unprotected sex for 6-9 months and you'll be fine. Other than that I understand it to be quite mild.
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Jun 18, 2016 04:27
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just don't have unprotected sex for 6-9 months and you'll be fine. Other than that I understand it to be quite mild. It's been pretty painful thus far, I have swollen lymph nodes all over the back of my neck which has been giving me a horrible headache, joints hurt, I'm horribly tired but can't sleep, and my mom and dad used up all the acetaminophen when they contracted Zika. I'll live I guess.
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Jun 18, 2016 04:52
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fnox posted:It's been pretty painful thus far, I have swollen lymph nodes all over the back of my neck which has been giving me a horrible headache, joints hurt, I'm horribly tired but can't sleep, and my mom and dad used up all the acetaminophen when they contracted Zika. Could be Dengue or Chikungunya, too though...
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Jun 18, 2016 05:43
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hey lets go to the supermark.... https://twitter.com/Imag3n/status/743779669334384641
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Jun 18, 2016 05:53
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El Hefe posted:hey lets go to the supermark.... Six years ago I used to stop by that supermarket on my way back from work at a minimum wage call center at around 8 or 9 PM. I could buy stuff, not expensive stuff, but I could afford to buy food for me and my mum. Nowadays, a minimum wage would buy me a few bottles of coke, I couldn't stop there at that hour for fear of getting robbed and the supermarket would probably be bare or closed by that time. On other news, a source (http://sumarium.com/extraoficial-tsj-suspendera-el-proceso-revocatorio-y-los-partidos-de-la-mud/) is reporting that the Supreme Court is considering a motion to suspend both the recall referendum process and the parties that make up the MUD (i.e. the opposition in its entirety) due to irregularities during the signature collection process. Labradoodle fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jun 18, 2016 |
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Jun 18, 2016 23:07
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Labradoodle posted:On other news, a source is reporting that the Supreme Court is considering a motion to suspend both the recall referendum process and the parties that make up the MUD (i.e. the opposition in its entirety) due to irregularities during the signature collection process. The endgame is upon us. But hey, at least the Democratic Charter wasn't invoked! So it's all still good!
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Jun 18, 2016 23:42
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ComradeCosmobot posted:The endgame is upon us. So, what happens now? That which cannot be sustained, will not. Will there be riots? A coup? If so, by whom? Does anyone think the cia might push things over? If so, in favor of whom? The only way forward that makes even a little sense is a military junta taking over and prostrating themselves to the US for help to unfuck the economy but that also doesn't make sense for a ton of reasons. It feels like Syria if only in the sense that there are no good outcomes.
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Jun 19, 2016 00:25
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Maduro is just spending all day on TV talking and talking, the country is falling apart and every day he's on TV for hours on end talking bullshit instead of working, it's some of the most surreal poo poo ever.
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Jun 19, 2016 00:27
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gobbagool posted:So, what happens now? That which cannot be sustained, will not. Will there be riots? A coup? If so, by whom? Does anyone think the cia might push things over? If so, in favor of whom? The only way forward that makes even a little sense is a military junta taking over and prostrating themselves to the US for help to unfuck the economy but that also doesn't make sense for a ton of reasons. It feels like Syria if only in the sense that there are no good outcomes. If you ask me, the only endgame that makes sense right now is the military taking over. It, of course, wouldn't be desirable, but we're currently looking at countrywide starvation plus a collapsed medical system in the near term. Previously I expressed my doubts about the military moving against the PSUV but I never imagined we'd be in this situation right now. If the current controls persist and the Chavista administration remains in charge without opening an exit valve (i.e. a recall referendum) we'll be facing heavy riots throughout the country which are being repressed by the National Guard. Once the low and mid guys in the military figure out there's no endgame other than repressing people we'll see a coup. The opposition has given clear signs they're unwilling to pressure the government and the government has made it clear they don't care if people starve or die due to sickness. There's no way the current situation has a peaceful resolution unless by some miracle, diplomacy convinces the government to allow a recall referendum. Even in that dream scenario, it wouldn't likely occur until the end of the year and it's a matter of months until Caracas lights up in protest like Cumana did. I'm usually not so pessimistic, which you can see by my post history throughout this thread. But this is the only logical scenario which I can deduce from our current condition. Labradoodle fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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Jun 19, 2016 00:34
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El Hefe posted:Maduro is just spending all day on TV talking and talking, the country is falling apart and every day he's on TV for hours on end talking bullshit instead of working, it's some of the most surreal poo poo ever. thats how it always goes. is he acting like bagdad bob or Ceaușescu? hoping he ends up like the latter.
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Jun 19, 2016 01:41
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fnox posted:It's been pretty painful thus far, I have swollen lymph nodes all over the back of my neck which has been giving me a horrible headache, joints hurt, I'm horribly tired but can't sleep, and my mom and dad used up all the acetaminophen when they contracted Zika. If I mailed aspirin from the US to you, what are the chances it would get to you?
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El Hefe posted:Maduro is just spending all day on TV talking and talking, the country is falling apart and every day he's on TV for hours on end talking bullshit instead of working, it's some of the most surreal poo poo ever. Let's be fair- would you actually want him to work? Being charitable he understands he is massively in over his head.
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The rat says squee posted:If I mailed aspirin from the US to you, what are the chances it would get to you? None, it wouldn't make it through customs, the loving GNB would make short work of it. Don't worry, even if you could mail it to me, I'd be fine before it arrives.
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Jun 19, 2016 09:10
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It depends which shipping company you use actually, send it through DHL and it'll get to you 100%.
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El Hefe posted:It depends which shipping company you use actually, send it through DHL and it'll get to you 100%. I really can't ask of somebody to pay priority shipment to send me Aspirin, there's so many people who need medicines more than me, as soon as I get the info on a good charity to donate medicines for Venezuelan patients I'll link it here. Also, my family finally managed to get a shipment to Margarita, an aunt of mine managed to smuggle milk, eggs and medicine, hiding it between clothes and bags, thankfully the X-ray machine guy was half asleep.
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I have a stupid question that really doesnt matter given how hosed everything is. So i remember Chávez banned video games after Mercenaries 2 was announced and he and his goon went around loving up game shops and arcades for spreading degenracy or some poo poo like that and handed out prisons sentences. http://kotaku.com/5488360/violent-video-games-now-getting-you-3-5-years-in-a-venezuelan-prison I assume all that stuff is still banned?
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Jun 19, 2016 23:58
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I have a stupid question that really doesnt matter given how hosed everything is. So i remember Chávez banned video games after Mercenaries 2 was announced and he and his goon went around loving up game shops and arcades for spreading degenracy or some poo poo like that and handed out prisons sentences. http://kotaku.com/5488360/violent-video-games-now-getting-you-3-5-years-in-a-venezuelan-prison You have to remember that laws are sort of optional here. Yes, the law still exists, no it isn't enforced, and when it is, it's because the National Guard wants your copy of the latest Call of Duty. Basically nobody buys video games on physical stores because they're prohibitively expensive in bolivares and overpriced to gently caress and back, and the government is so outdated they don't know about digital distribution at all nor is it considered in that law, so the (middle-class) kids are getting their share of violent videogames, don't worry.
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fnox posted:You have to remember that laws are sort of optional here. Yes, the law still exists, no it isn't enforced, and when it is, it's because the National Guard wants your copy of the latest Call of Duty. Basically nobody buys video games on physical stores because they're prohibitively expensive in bolivares and overpriced to gently caress and back, and the government is so outdated they don't know about digital distribution at all nor is it considered in that law, so the (middle-class) kids are getting their share of violent videogames, don't worry. I was just curious. honestly I am surprised their is a middle class and i assume people just pirate stuff or buy online when if care.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I was just curious. honestly I am surprised their is a middle class and i assume people just pirate stuff or buy online when if care. I'm part of the middle class, the term middle class doesn't mean the same than what it does in the US because the salaries aren't comparable, but middle class merely means that "you've managed to not be living in a slum after 17 years of chavismo". It's also been steadily vanishing, I'm the last one of my group of friends to leave the country. We pirate basically everything that can be pirated, and what can't be pirated we buy it very occasionally. I've bought like, maybe two games this year, both out of dollars I've got freelancing, which were like SFV and Overwatch. There IS a video game scene which mainly flourished in the PS1/PS2 generations since those consoles were extremely easy to get pirated games for. Venezuela is a very, very weird country that's very difficult to explain to outsiders. fnox fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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fnox posted:I'm part of the middle class, the term middle class doesn't mean the same than what it does in the US because the salaries aren't comparable, but middle class merely means that "you've managed to not be living in a slum after 17 years of chavismo". It's also been steadily vanishing, I'm the last one of my group of friends to leave the country. Yeah I pirated everything back then, and I worked translating stuff to English for a friend's father so he would pay my WoW sub back then. I might be living in the third world but that is not going to impact the poor people on Azeroth. The ps1 gen was crazy. In Caracas, I lived next to a boulevard called Sabana Grande, and it was famous for being completely filled with buhoneros, or street vendors. They sold counterfeit clothes, sunglasses, you name it. And they sold pirated ps1 games. Thousands of them! Now you usually imagine a counterfeit street vendor as a shady guy in an ally. Not in Caracas, they set up shop. They had big stands and named their business, put up makeshift ceilings and left just enough room for people to pass. My weekends whenever I had some money were usually spend in that bazaar of the bizarre chasing down a decent game to play, it was kinda fun. Chavez crashed down hard on those Buhoneros and sent them somewhere else to reclaim the Boulevard. The operation to remove them was big, I remember walking there a few days after that and there were around 20 policemen with dogs just chasing people out. A friend that lived there at the time told me the cops found drugs and a lot of guns hidden in different spots all over the boulevard. edit: by the way, the banning of violent videogames was all because Mercernaries 2: World in Flames showed Venezuela in a terrible light. Chavez pushed against these "murderer training" games at the same time as he forced schools to teach Pre-military instruction in which kids would learn to march and shout Patria, Socialismo o Muerte! (nation, socialism or death), Hugoon Chavez fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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