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GaussianCopula posted:Britain would be able to trade with EU-member the same as the US is doing right now, but the products would still have to be in line with EU regulations, which Britain would no longer be able to influence. More importantly though the ability to export services would be severely limited. Are all the London financial people flipping out over this yet?
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I think this is a matter of cultural expectations. If you're (stereotypically) German, a persistent deviation from the rules for a special case may seem sacrilegious. But if you take a more pragmatic and transactional view of EU politics, recognizing that the single biggest item on the EU budget is of comparatively little direct benefit to the UK and that consequently the UK should not be expected to subsidize everybody else's agricultural sector on an ongoing basis may seem entirely sensible. Libluini posted:I don't know, this has never happened before after all. At the very least be prepared for several months of massive confusion at the borders if the worst-case scenario happens. GaussianCopula posted:Britain would be able to trade with EU-member the same as the US is doing right now, but the products would still have to be in line with EU regulations, which Britain would no longer be able to influence. More importantly though the ability to export services would be severely limited. mobby_6kl posted:Are all the London financial people flipping out over this yet?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Does the UK get less direct benefit from agricultural subsidies than Germany and Belgium, who have equally small agricultural sectors? Finding clear indicators about the size of the agricultural sector is a royal bitch ( do you look at share of GDP, number of farms, size of farms, productivity of farms, number of employees, does that include seasonal workers, and so on), but as a quick and dirty one, Germany has more than twice the amount of cultivated land as the UK does. So yes, the UK has traditionally benefitted less from the CAP. Belgium of course is the seat of many EU institutions which is of sizable economic benefit, so I don't think you'll find too many inhabitants of that beautiful city who complain about how much you're paying into the EU. e - also that's horrible.
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False flag. (But seriously, hope she pulls through.) Pluskut Tukker posted:Finding clear indicators about the size of the agricultural sector is a royal bitch ( do you look at share of GDP, number of farms, size of farms, productivity of farms, number of employees, does that include seasonal workers, and so on), but as a quick and dirty one, Germany has more than twice the amount of cultivated land as the UK does. So yes, the UK has traditionally benefitted less from the CAP. Belgium of course is the seat of many EU institutions which is of sizable economic benefit, so I don't think you'll find too many inhabitants of that beautiful city who complain about how much you're paying into the EU.
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Cat Mattress posted:According to that thing, if you look at "operating budgetary balance", it's France which is in second place after Germany. UK is third, followed closely by the Netherlands and Italy. OBB is IMO not the best indicator in this case, since it omits traditional own revenue, which the UK passes on 2.7B€, second only to Germany's 3.3B€. It also tries to pretend that administrative spending doesn't benefit the country in which the administrations are based : ec.europa.eu/budget/financialreport/2014/annex/3/index_en.html If you take the excel file of the budgets 2000-2014 and compare total expenditure to total revenue from Belgium, you get a "gain" of 1.8B€. But the OBB shows a "loss" of 1.5B€... for the UK it goes the other way, with an OBB of 4.9B€ but a difference between expenditure and revenue of 7. 1B€. With the rebate, the UK is the 3rd largest net contributor (7. 1B€) to the budget behind Germany (17. 3B€) and France (7.5B€). Without the rebate the UK would still be behind Germany, but far ahead of France, with a net spend of 13.2B€. Also, it's worth reminding people that the UK had already accepted to reduce the rebate in exchange for a promise to review the CAP, but the review ended never happening, so the UK is hardly the only one at fault in this case. Lublini should try to understand that the rebate affects resources not expenditure thought if he wants to talk about how unfair it is, otherwise he risks undermining his argument.
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You prolly all already know but Jo Cox is dead.
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She leaves behind her husband and two young children. This is awful.
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I really hope that the world takes Brexit as a warning sign that all our populations are getting more and more retarded and self-destructive. Personally, I blame YouTube lets plays, the decline of personal human interaction, internet echo chambers and chemicals in the drinking water. Someone should do something about these things. Also, reptiloids.
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waitwhatno posted:I really hope that the world takes Brexit as a warning sign that all our populations are getting more and more retarded and self-destructive. Personally, I blame YouTube lets plays, the decline of personal human interaction, internet echo chambers and chemicals in the drinking water. Someone should do something about these things. Also, reptiloids. I'm cutting myself on all these edges.
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Personally I think this is all the fault of the Flemish. gently caress those guys.
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They are almost all wretched and horrible, the Flemish. Few exceptions. But hell, that goes for the Dutch, as well.
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:I'm cutting myself on all these edges. It's true, think about it. YouTube lets plays are part of our growing culture of isolation and loneliness. The number of people with depression and burn-outs is on the rise, people feel frustrated and lost. They look for human contact on the internet where they meet likeminded people who share their opinions and personality and create echo chamber. Disassociating from reality and sane political beliefs. Also, the alarmingly high content of xeno-estrogens in the drinking water creates effeminate men who are confused about their role in society even more and who will be too weak and girly to fight the coming reptiloid invasion.
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:They are almost all wretched and horrible, the Flemish. Few exceptions. But hell, that goes for the Dutch, as well. *nods affirmatively* What's your take on the walloon menace?
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Tesseraction posted:*nods affirmatively* we must support them tactically because only they can effectievly combat the flemish hegemony and keep balance.
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waitwhatno posted:It's true, think about it. YouTube lets plays are part of our growing culture of isolation and loneliness. The number of people with depression and burn-outs is on the rise, people feel frustrated and lost. They look for human contact on the internet where they meet likeminded people who share their opinions and personality and create echo chamber. Disassociating from reality and sane political beliefs. I dunno what if the xeno-estrogens are making me Rebel against my perceived role has a male in society? Stiking it to the Man is very manly.
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:we must support them tactically because only they can effectievly combat the flemish hegemony and keep balance. I think this is the beginning of a bountiful alliance.
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waitwhatno posted:It's true, think about it. YouTube lets plays are part of our growing culture of isolation and loneliness. The number of people with depression and burn-outs is on the rise, people feel frustrated and lost. They look for human contact on the internet where they meet likeminded people who share their opinions and personality and create echo chamber. Disassociating from reality and sane political beliefs. OK I guess you won me over.
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Jun 16, 2016 23:24
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Declare war on Russia to stop the Brexit
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I'm trying to make a link between modern Leave voters unwillingness to take part in Europe and general fear of Johnny Belgian telling them what to do and Our Brave Tommies going to war to save Poland from Old Hitler but nothing's coming to me. There's something there though I'm telling you. Maybe toss in something about Brexit voters preferring to murder defenceless politicians to boot.
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Would be fun to see what happens in a Brexit situation. Vote leave for our entertainment Britgoons.
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Baudolino posted:Would be fun to see what happens in a Brexit situation. Vote leave for our entertainment Britgoons. Ah Jeez, I prefer when 'vote for most entertaining/ultimately disastrous' stays on the other side of the Atlantic.
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Baudolino posted:Would be fun to see what happens in a Brexit situation. Vote leave for our entertainment Britgoons. khwarezm posted:Ah Jeez, I prefer when 'vote for most entertaining/ultimately disastrous' stays on the other side of the Atlantic. Vice actually suggested we should vote to Leave because playing a Renegade in Mass Effect is more fun
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Sorry don't have time to read 60 pages but I wanted to ask a question: Why has European leadership been so terrible since 2008? Thanks.
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After the UK leaves it will be easier for Scotland to join so it's not all bad.
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Arglebargle III posted:Sorry don't have time to read 60 pages but I wanted to ask a question: In 2008 Spain won the EC with a team that brutally raped and pillaged decades of Dutch football tradition, subverting it into the bore fest they call tiki taka. This style was only playable because they, and every Spanish athlete since, were completely spaced out on blood doping. Europe as a whole has never really recovered.
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Arglebargle III posted:Sorry don't have time to read 60 pages but I wanted to ask a question: The neolib dream turned out to be a nightmare and nobody can wake up
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Arglebargle III posted:Sorry don't have time to read 60 pages but I wanted to ask a question: It turns out that it's much harder to play EUMMXVIII without the unlimited money cheat activated.
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Arglebargle III posted:Sorry don't have time to read 60 pages but I wanted to ask a question: European leadership has always been terrible, but as long as the economy was doing fine, nobody cared too much or even noticed. Also, European leadership only really got bad since 2009 (the initial response to the GFC agreed at EU level was a mild Keynesian expansion of gov't spending, but then Greece happened and the deficit hawks took over. QED in GC's post above.).
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The problem are the Germans, as always. Germany is the only major country in the EU that is doing fine and sees no reason for a course change. They are very dominant in EU politics but also very self absorbed and not really interested in the economic wellbeing of other EU members. And Brexit is only going to make German dominance stronger. It's basically like if Utah was dominating federal US politics and forcing their economic policies on all other states, no matter what.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/18/belgian-police-arrest-12-on-suspicion-of-terror-plots The Flemish public broadcaster VTM said those arrested overnight were suspected of planning an attack in Brussels during one of Belgium’s Euro matches this weekend.
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waitwhatno posted:The problem are the Germans, as always. Germany is the only major country in the EU that is doing fine and sees no reason for a course change. They are very dominant in EU politics but also very self absorbed and not really interested in the economic wellbeing of other EU members. And Brexit is only going to make German dominance stronger. And of course that self-absorption isn't uniquely German, it's just more visible with Germany because they call the rules everyone else has to dance by. But Hungary, Austria, Poland, Britain, hell even France, also display that kind of behaviour.
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France needs to get its poo poo together, they were supposed to be the political motor, not the Germans.
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Riso posted:France needs to get its poo poo together, they were supposed to be the political motor, not the Germans.
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Jippa posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/18/belgian-police-arrest-12-on-suspicion-of-terror-plots VTM is commercial, not public.
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Will we have a referendum thread the night of said event? I'm betting on a Brexit - my inner Sanders would love to see such ensuing chaos. 
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Grouchio posted:Will we have a referendum thread the night of said event? I'm betting on a Brexit - my inner Sanders would love to see such ensuing chaos.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:A separate Brexit thread would be clear evidence that Britain just can't be part of Europe. We already have a Brexit thread, it's called UKMT.
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