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Malcolm XML posted:night buses are a life experience to be savored places i have been offered tube socks for sale: the #49 Western bus late at night walking down the street in chicago walking through the halls of my storage unit building. in this location they were offered for free by being underhand tossed at me, i stepped out of the way, the man seemed a little perturbed that i did not want his free tube socks
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infernal machines posted:https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/06/15/safety-campaign-points-fingers-at-the-wrong-suspect-keenan.html gently caress cars, gently caress the police
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streetcars actually friggin' rule i imagine shaggar thinks its like some kind of Dandy horse style thing
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the streetcars in toronto are super  but you can get around a lot faster on a Bikeshare Toronto bikeat least that's my experience as a tourist, usually mucking around in queen street west
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streetcars are actually not good
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i helped design part of the new orleans streetcar system and that section of the expansion is gonna be excellent for getting tourists from the bed and breakfasts in the marigny and bywater over to the downtown area w/o makin them walk thru the treme ghetto or the sketchier parts of the quarter
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Jun 18, 2016 22:34
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I take the streetcar in Toronto to work every day over the subway and it takes about the same amount of time and I can sit in the sunshine and get a nice breeze through the window and send snapchats to all my pals
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Jun 18, 2016 22:42
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streetcars have all the limitations of rail and the limitations of buses and none of the benefits of either
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Bloody posted:streetcars have all the limitations of rail and the limitations of buses and none of the benefits of either it's way more awesome when a streetcar plows into some dumbass driver tryin to cut across the tracks
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Jun 18, 2016 22:44
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i helped design part of the new orleans streetcar system and that section of the expansion is gonna be excellent for getting tourists from the bed and breakfasts in the marigny and bywater over to the downtown area w/o makin them walk thru the treme ghetto or the sketchier parts of the quarter is the treme Baltimore level sketchy?
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Jun 18, 2016 23:11
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:it's way more awesome when a streetcar plows into some dumbass driver tryin to cut across the tracks hah tru
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Jun 18, 2016 23:21
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Bloody posted:streetcars have all the limitations of rail and the limitations of buses and none of the benefits of either They're a much smoother ride than a bus and are electric. plus they weigh 80,000lbs so it's really funny when people run into them Also Toronto is making more of them dedicated laneways soon hopefully
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Jun 18, 2016 23:25
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:it's way more awesome when a streetcar plows into some dumbass driver tryin to cut across the tracks it's great, the cars have no drat chance lol
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Moist von Lipwig posted:They're a much smoother ride than a bus and are electric. plus they weigh 80,000lbs so it's really funny when people run into them you can do electric buses too and then you get nice features like being able to change lanes to go around that illegally parked car and streets that arent mega hosed up for cyclists
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Bloody posted:you can do electric buses too and then you get nice features like being able to change lanes to go around that illegally parked car and streets that arent mega hosed up for cyclists if someone parks in the centre lane it's problem for everyone. the streetcar's biggest enemy is left hand turns
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Malcolm XML posted:night buses are a life experience to be savored The last time I took a night bus I fell asleep drunk and ended up 40 minutes away from the Copenhagen suburb I was supposed to be in, got woken up by a bus driver who barely spoke English, and then made it back to my stop where I had to walk a mile along the highway and ended up getting home at about 6am so yes I concur
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Jun 19, 2016 01:41
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night buses: marginally better than just passing out on the curb
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you haven't lived until you've taken the vomit comet
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Chris Knight posted:you haven't lived until you've taken the vomit comet that nasa plane that simulates zero-g by diving? what does that have to do with buses
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Grandmaster.flv posted:is the treme Baltimore level sketchy? treme is good, as is baltimore you racist gently caress
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Raluek posted:that nasa plane that simulates zero-g by diving? what does that have to do with buses ... also the name for toronto's blue line buses ride the rocket, etc., etc.
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Jun 19, 2016 04:51
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bonus points for waking up in another city with the driver angrily demanding another fare before he'll let you off
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Chris Knight posted:you haven't lived until you've taken the vomit comet Just got off it, spectacular as always
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my sister used to live right beside that sinkhole in baltimore
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heres an old documentary about all the cool old transit systems in the bay area. gonna be fun having to spend billions to rebuild all this over my lifetime cause cars are bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObOLGzSnNHI
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Cygni posted:heres an old documentary about all the cool old transit systems in the bay area. gonna be fun having to spend billions to rebuild all this over my lifetime cause cars are bad america is bad + dumb + racist
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Grandmaster.flv posted:is the treme Baltimore level sketchy? wait what are you asking b/c black folks live there it's just the oldest historically black neighborhood in the city and has the lafitte projects inside of it lotta poors live there but it's mostly fine if you're a white local (black people shoot eachother there sometimes) since it borders the quarter there's just a lotta tourist muggings but i used to park my car there at night when i'd visit friends that live on the edge also there are a lotta airbnbs there which is hilarious
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no I meant in terms of lack of infrastructure and maintenance and city services. I know nola is doing a ton of renovation but is that just one of the forgotten neighborhoods?
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Grandmaster.flv posted:no I meant in terms of lack of infrastructure and maintenance and city services. I know nola is doing a ton of renovation but is that just one of the forgotten neighborhoods? well they're currently building the streetcar expansion along one side so along that corridor there's lots of new development but no it's not gentrifying like other nearby areas are, at least not yet
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my friend lived in treme for a few years and i visited him there many times, its fine its run down and poor, shocking these places exist in our fine nation
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the thing to keep in mind about streetcars is that the original streetcar systems were built before the existence of a.) the pneumatic tire or b.) traffic a 19th century streetcar could do 15-20 mph on city streets including the stops. and it had a significantly smoother ride than any alternative mode of transport. people were willing to pay good money to ride one and systems were mostly profitable. in 2016, a city bus is good for all of 8 mph. (on average. it doesn't have to be that fast. in manhattan, you can literally outwalk a bus.) a streetcar won't do any better. and there's no comfort advantage to laying rail, because modern buses have rubber tires instead of freaking wagon wheels.
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the comfort advantage comes from not jumping side to side every time they switch lanes and smoother stop-starts due to vehicle weight. also a clrv can hold something like 2x the number of passengers of a regular bus, likewise an alrv and an articulated bus, again, without getting bounced around every time the driver has to shift from the right to center lane to avoid on street parking
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in 2016 the number one impediment to streetcars is vehicle traffic. if your streetcar route is moving 56000 people per day, it makes sense to accommodate that over on-street parking and left-turning vehicles in the same right of way
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infernal machines posted:in 2016 the number one impediment to streetcars is vehicle traffic. if your streetcar route is moving 56000 people per day, it makes sense to accommodate that over on-street parking and left-turning vehicles in the same right of way loads of streetcar don't do this though and are mixed traffic and therfore poo poo
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again, the problem with mixed traffic is the traffic part. the streetcars are moving thousands to tens of thousands per day. up to 132 and 205 people per vehicle for crlv and alrvs respectively. each car can hold a maximum of what, five, maybe six people? so give the streetcars the road. if you want to drive, go find a dirt road in the sticks there, you didn't have to pour hundreds of millions, to billions of dollars into a hole in the ground. the infrastructure already exists
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the roads were built for horses, streetcars, bicycles, and pedestrians. restrict it back to that population, problem solved.
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infernal machines posted:again, the problem with mixed traffic is the traffic part. the streetcars are moving thousands to tens of thousands per day. up to 132 and 205 people per vehicle for crlv and alrvs respectively. each car can hold a maximum of what, five, maybe six people? if we have a dedicated right of way it doesn't even matter which choice we make. a dedicated busway is just as good as light or heavy rail for most measures of goodness (as long as you're cool with the horrible air pollution)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:a dedicated busway is just as good as light or heavy rail for most measures of goodness except not, because it requires more vehicles to move the same number of people due to capacity. so you're trading infrastructure costs for staffing (e.g. operator and fleet maintenance workers) costs plus the expense of additional vehicles and the maintenance thereof
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infernal machines posted:except not, because it requires more vehicles to move the same number of people due to capacity. so you're trading infrastructure costs for staffing (e.g. operator and fleet maintenance workers) costs plus the expense of additional vehicles and the maintenance thereof the per-passenger costs are very similar, but a busway will have much lower maximum capacity than a "real" subway. that's ok, most of the time. not many systems actually need to move a million people a day on a single line
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if your dedicated busway is so popular you actually need to start moving a million plus riders a day on a single line, that's a good problem to have the capital expenditures for a heavy rail line will start to look very reasonable
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