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So you can't find anything supporting this in the decision either? But you seemed so confident!Jarmak posted:Morse was not only not ruled a material disruption, the opinion explicitly states that it wasn't a material disruption (I mean for gently caress's sake how could something plausibly be a material disruption of a classroom that didn't take place in or reach the classroom?)
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Evil Fluffy posted:Other than the Israel lobby I can't think of anyone 'excited' for Tom Cotton. He's just one of many crazy assholes. He just happens to be louder than most right now. 4 years is a long time for politics in America.
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punk rebel ecks posted:What would be the advantages of having more members in the house of representatives? The more representatives you have: 1) The harder it is to do serious gerrymanders 2) The more proportional the members are to population - currently states from 586,107 in population to 1,032,949 all have just one rep. With more, we could make the cutoffs a lot more often, which is good for proper representation. 3) With more House members, the Electoral College becomes more proportional to population - by further drowning out the 2 electoral votes every state gets from their senator count 4) It will greatly disrupt entrenched incumbencies, particularly by expanding to 1000 or more, and by pledging to continue the 1790-1910 process of slowly growing the number of reps every census cycle thereafter. 5) Also, it greatly lowers the costs of running for the house, by needing to reach fewer people. This is very good for third parties or simply primary challengers 6) As a result of 4 and 5, third parties can be way more viable for the house in general. They'll still be caucusing generally with a major party of course.
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Trump not speaking from the actual RNC wouldn't be surprising, he's going to want the biggest crowd possible and that would require a stadium.
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fishmech posted:The more representatives you have: This is a good summary. However I heard that state representatives are still gerrymandered to all hell. That's at least the argument people use against having more representatives that it won't change as mcuh as we think.
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There is an upside in that if Trump doesn't actually locate himself there, the mole people that trail in his wake may not be around to hurt others. Also this assumes there will be no ratfucking.
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This is an amazing summary on the Election.
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Sir Tonk posted:Trump not speaking from the actual RNC wouldn't be surprising, he's going to want the biggest crowd possible and that would require a stadium. He can't fill up a stadium anywhere let alone in loving Cleveland. He can fill up most of a basketball arena but if you put him in a football stadium the crowd would look like an MLS soccer match.
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punk rebel ecks posted:This is a good summary. However I heard that state representatives are still gerrymandered to all hell. That's at least the argument people use against having more representatives that it won't change as mcuh as we think. That can similarly be helped by making more state representatives. For instance, California has 39 million people. Despite that, they only have 80 Assembly members and 40 state Senators. The UK has 65 million people. Their House of Commons, the elected house, has 650 members. So the California senate is about a million people to a senator, and about 500,000 people to the assemblyperson. The UK house of commons is about 100,000 people to a member. It makes a big difference! (Note that New Hampshire is insane with this, and they have 400 lower house members for a state of 1.3 million. That's about 3250 people per representative!)
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But the point people make is that these states have a higher proportion of representative per person and are still highly gerrymandered. How is New Hampshire in regards to gerrymandering?
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JeffersonClay posted:So you can't find anything supporting this in the decision either? But you seemed so confident! You don't understand what you're reading at even a basic level.
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LOL at Trump asking for 5 G$.(BTW we really should use Metric/SI prefixes because Gigadollars sounds rad as gently caress. Also future deals will be TERADOLLARS) http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html I bet he thinks his fellow rich people have all their money in cash and he wants 50 pallets of 100s. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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Sir Tonk posted:Trump not speaking from the actual RNC wouldn't be surprising, he's going to want the biggest crowd possible and that would require a stadium. Aren't giant rallies in anything other than swing states a massive waste of money at this point
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AriadneThread posted:
http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20151212&t=2&i=1101882836&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXMPEBBB0DX wtf that ak has the magazine inserted backwards???
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Fojar38 posted:Aren't giant rallies in anything other than swing states a massive waste of money at this point Depends on what you hope to get out of the whole endeavor
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This loving election. There is apparently a SuperPAC dedicated to making fun of Trump's tiny hands https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LhNjWoBZck
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SumYungGui posted:This loving election. Donald Trump deserves far worse than being made fun of for his tiny hands. This loving election and the popularity of Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign present a great opportunity for the Green Party and revolutionary lefties throughout the U.S. to work to make themselves stronger! Now I'm going to copy and paste this post that I first posted in the YCS General Election thread and then pasted into my YCS Jill Stein thread: It does seem that one of the Green Party's big problems is an existing tendency for many people to associate the Green Party with white people and to assume that the Green Party is an organization in which relatively few nonwhite people are involved. This is one reason why it seems to me that the Green Party alone as it exists today may not be able to function as the leading force that takes power and uses its power to try to carry out the kind of revolutionary transformation of society that Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein have been calling for. However, I do believe that the Green Party can and should play a major role in the formation of such a revolutionary force. So I think it would be a good idea for revolutionary lefties in the U.S. to take steps to bring existing leftist forces together into a new Syriza-esque lefty revolutionist party that makes its support for the interests of black and brown peoples a primary plank of its platform. One possible official name for this new revolutionary party is Coalition Openly Leading Ongoing Revolution. The actual name that the party's members and supporters would use when discussing the party would be Color Party. So I think the Green Party and a bunch of other revolutionary lefty organizations and activists should totally work on doing what Syriza did and uniting their relatively small parties and organizations into a larger organization called the Color Party. I think this could happen, and I think Color Party would be a great name for a strong and united revolutionary leftist force that could fight aggressively against the reactionary scumbags who feel positively about Donald Trump and also eventually take power and seize the assets of the billionaires and lead the revolutionary process of bringing the world together into a Global Union of People's Republics. I think lots of folks in the Green Party would like this idea because the idea of the Green Party's coalescing with other revolutionary forces into the Color Party totally makes sense in my head! Also, I want to applaud Jill Stein for working with Socialist Alternative and the International Socialist Organization on several occasions in the past. I'll also mention that heroic black activist and PSL Vice Presidential Candidate Eugene Puryear has also run for Washington DC City Council as a Green Party candidate in the recent past. So the initial steps of this lefty revolutionist unity project that I'm describing are already happening, which is great! And I also want to draw attention to this attached photo I took while I was attending an event in the recent past that was co-organized by the Green Party and Socialist Alternative. The speaker at the microphone wearing the Socialist Alternative t-shirt is a super charismatic lefty revolutionist activist and I totally think he should keep up the good work and run as a Green for local office while also staying active as a leading member of Socialist Alternative! Also, that black guy with the fabulous hat who has a grey beard and is wearing a black buttoned-down shirt is a former Black Panther activist who is now a prominent member of the Green Party! So yeah, as lefty revolutionists carry on with pursuing their revolutionary aims, it should be kept in mind that racial justice and liberation for peoples of color must be primary parts of the revolutionary program in order for the revolution to succeed. So uniting the Green Party and a bunch of other groups into a new Color Party doesn't seem like such a bad idea to me! Thanks for reading this post! Like the 2016 Presidential Candidacy of Jill Stein, the continued existence of the Something Awful Forums is a cause to which I am happy to contribute financially.
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yea I also hate vaccines, farming techniques that have existed for centuries, and basic concepts of nuclear power that manage to fuel most of the developed world just fine, Jill Stein 2016!
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Math Debater posted:Words As long as they support pseudoscience the Green party is at best a spoiler for the Democrats and at worst a force for fighting progress in agriculture, energy, and medicine. They're that friend you like, who has good ideas, but then says something so monumentally stupid that it makes you second guess their good ideas.
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Math Debater posted:It does seem that one of the Green Party's big problems is an existing tendency for many people to associate the Green Party with white people and to assume that the Green Party is an organization in which relatively few nonwhite people are involved. This is one reason why it seems to me that the Green Party alone as it exists today may not be able to function as the leading force that takes power and uses its power to try to carry out the kind of revolutionary transformation of society that Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein have been calling for. However, I do believe that the Green Party can and should play a major role in the formation of such a revolutionary force  ".The leadership was ineffective and poorly chosen, the party activists didn't want to actually do a political campaign for anything and I left convinced that at least the state-level Green Party wasn't serious about ever actually winning an election.
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Ofaloaf posted:
They don't want to win elections. Being a Green and voting Green isn't about politics, it's about feeling morally superior. If a green was actually elected then they would have to make choices. When you have power your choices inevitably help some people and hurt others, so the claim to total moral purity, as understood by the kind of moral infants who vote Green, would be undermined.
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Ofaloaf posted:My issue with the Green Party is that the last time I went to a party meeting to see what was up (last year, here in Michigan), the state party secretary had a downright compulsion to just snap at everyone, only one Green in attendance had actually run for anything at all in the '14 elections, and most of the reports given by members seemed to be part of some veiled game of one-upsmanship, where everybody was going "oh yeah? Well I tried getting more signatures for a petition to get GMOs more tightly regulated by visiting Monsanto offices, look at how little I respect the establishment This is literally every state level Green Party experience and yet somehow every four years there's always at least one dude being all 'I just don't get it, guys, I thought this was our year...'
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punk rebel ecks posted:But the point people make is that these states have a higher proportion of representative per person and are still highly gerrymandered. How is New Hampshire in regards to gerrymandering? As a resident of New Hampshire I would say it's not gerrymandered all that much. The legislature has been flipping between Democrats and Republicans the last few elections. I'd chalk it up to Democrats not turning out in midterms. Just a note: NH's Governor, State Senators & Reps all have two year terms on the same cycle. The Democrats have won 9 of the last 10 elections for Governor. We do not have a Lt. Governor. The Attorney General is an appointed position. Democrats had control of the State Senate and House in from 2006 to 2010. When the Republicans took the State Senate and House with supermajority control. The Democrats regained the House in 2012 and lost it again in 2014. I'd say the Democrats are posed to gain back both this year. We also have a five-member Executive Council that provides advice to the Governor and has veto power over the Governor's pardons, contract negations, and nominations. I bring this up because two of it's members are the Republican and Democrat primary frontrunners. Chris Sununu (his father was Governor. His older brother US Senator) is the overwhelming favorite to win the Republican primary. I think he's got a good shot at it, even though Presidential elections favor the Democrats. I don't really know the Democrat frontrunner, Colin Van Ostern, all that well. Thanks for reading about New Hampshire politics 
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Tatum Girlparts posted:This is literally every state level Green Party experience and yet somehow every four years there's always at least one dude being all 'I just don't get it, guys, I thought this was our year...' Would-be Green Party voters who legitimately understand science or work in relevant fields are usually called 'Democrats.'
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He can't fill up a stadium anywhere let alone in loving Cleveland. He can fill up most of a basketball arena but if you put him in a football stadium the crowd would look like an MLS soccer match. I didn't say he could fill it, but he sure as hell is going to want the largest venue in Cleveland. Fojar38 posted:Aren't giant rallies in anything other than swing states a massive waste of money at this point Trump not doing his rallies isn't really an option for him, he needs that connection/high. Doesn't matter if the RNC wants him to stop and focus on what's important.
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Green party pros: subsidized j/o crystals lots of opportunities to charge j/o crystal sweet release of death with full assurance that nobody is to blame but myself moonbase? cons: have to spend time with green party people no need for other cons that's already a dealbreaker
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Ogmius815 posted:They don't want to win elections. Being a Green and voting Green isn't about politics, it's about feeling morally superior. If a green was actually elected then they would have to make choices. When you have power your choices inevitably help some people and hurt others, so the claim to total moral purity, as understood by the kind of moral infants who vote Green, would be undermined. Stuff like this is also evident in donations to leftist radio stations, Pacifica specifically. The station in Houston did quite well under Bush, but donations dropped sharply after Obama was elected. The "revolutionary" left seems to like being the minority party and will actively sabotage candidates that have a chance of winning. They've spent the past eight years attacking Obama and NPR for effectively being Republicans, it's like all they know is how to be angry at whoever is in power.
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Is that all it takes to be a Trot? Daydreaming about the United States voluntarily dissolving itself into a Charlie Manson bong-rip collective?
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Epic High Five posted:sweet release of death with full assurance that nobody is to blame but myself 
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Epic High Five posted:Green party I was registered green in college. Then I realized they were idiots and switched to dem.
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Sir Tonk posted:Stuff like this is also evident in donations to leftist radio stations, Pacifica specifically. The station in Houston did quite well under Bush, but donations dropped sharply after Obama was elected. The "revolutionary" left seems to like being the minority party and will actively sabotage candidates that have a chance of winning. They've spent the past eight years attacking Obama and NPR for effectively being Republicans, it's like all they know is how to be angry at whoever is in power. Do you follow the freeper thread? Every time a True Conservative Hero actually gets in office and has to take positions and make decisions and vote on the record they become impure and the Establishment Enemy.
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Similarly, Bernie Sanders would absolutely become a DINO (or whatever the equivalent of RINO would be in this situation) in the minds of most Bernie bros if he was actually elected President.
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I have a friend on facebook who keeps posting Jill Stein tweets and I honestly believe that Jill dislikes Hillary more than Trump.
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Maoist Pussy posted:Is that all it takes to be a Trot? Daydreaming about the United States voluntarily dissolving itself into a Charlie Manson bong-rip collective? Socialist Alternative is America's main Trotskyist socialist party.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I have a friend on facebook who keeps posting Jill Stein tweets and I honestly believe that Jill dislikes Hillary more than Trump. The leftist tendency toward factionalism is strong and well documented. For example, I can't help disliking Jill Stein more than Trump even though we agree on more things. Humans are sick.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I have a friend on facebook who keeps posting Jill Stein tweets and I honestly believe that Jill dislikes Hillary more than Trump. The whole "first woman to receive the nomination of a major party" pissed her off a whole lot I think
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Socialist Alternative is America's main Trotskyist socialist party. It sounds as if they didn't get the message that the road of building socialism in America would require a socialism wiiiiiith American characteristics.
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