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empireofcrime posted:Is he insinuating that it is? I thought he was pointing out the absurdity of the headline or are you saying highlighting that means he's propping it up as mainstream? You and Tantrum are really gnawing on that bone regarding Johnson writing for Alternet. As Tantrum pointed out, he also writes for FAIR. Is Alternet as lovely as something like Salon or Daily Kos? Yes, I definitely am really invested in this Johnson guy and not just posting a half-thought-out joke, that's me. Alternet is closer to HuffPo than to Salon or Daily Kos.
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You see, it's not real protesting unless you are guaranteed to be ground between the treads of a tank or hung from a tree. These millennials and their hipster activism!
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Goetta posted:I can't imagine why people would protest outside a giant arena full of lobbyists and big campaign donors. Oh, you poor deluded child... 
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Goetta posted:I can't imagine why people would protest outside a giant arena full of lobbyists and big campaign donors. NC's should stop fighting these things and own them. Start charging people extra for Extreme National Convention tickets, where you have to walk through the protesters rather than behind a barricade in the back.
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Mr. Horrible posted:You see, it's not real protesting unless you are guaranteed to be ground between the treads of a tank or hung from a tree. These millennials and their hipster activism! In my day we didn't have yer eyephones and yer tweeters and yer hippity hops
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yes, I definitely am really invested in this Johnson guy and not just posting a half-thought-out joke, that's me. daily kos is seems pretty bloggy in nature, though like i don't think their standards are all that stringent whereas with salon, it might not be a great publication or whatever, but it's not that 'bloggy' iirc
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honestly when it comes to sanders supporters there's kind of a double bind going on. tatum would say there is one for hillary as well, but i disagree with that premise because people online disliking a candidate no matter what they do is way different from media, pundits, and party heads disliking a candidate and their supporters no matter what they do. the latter is obviously a way bigger scope. so treating the two as if they are equivalent is laughable.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yes, they used to train for enduring threats of real violence and provocation attempts from randos around them who knew for 100% fact if they straight up murdered the uppity minorities making a scene they'd get off with at worst a slap on the wrist. so in your mind it's a better idea to NOT plan for as many eventualities as possible? did you also have a problem with occupy for not being disciplined enough?
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Homework Explainer posted:did you also have a problem with occupy for not being disciplined enough? I think we know the answer to that Tatum Girlparts posted:so we seriously have to pretend that a bunch of middle class white people 'practicing getting arrested' for...doing exactly what at the DNC that would lead to that...should be treated with solemn respect now?
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Jun 19, 2016 07:27
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It's true, white protestors never get assaulted by cops in the 21st century.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:so we seriously have to pretend that a bunch of middle class white people 'practicing getting arrested' for...doing exactly what at the DNC that would lead to that...should be treated with solemn respect now? Let's be fair: when they do inevitably get beat up by the police for jaywalking down a sidewalk, you'll be mocking them for that, too.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yes, they used to train for enduring threats of real violence and provocation attempts from randos around them who knew for 100% fact if they straight up murdered the uppity minorities making a scene they'd get off with at worst a slap on the wrist. Not the police who were supposed to enforce said racism, perhaps with gusto if it fit their own creed. Pick up a loving book. You're pathetic 
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Also any training they can get is good training. Sanders supporters need all the help they can get to make sure they don't gently caress poo poo up by getting arrested
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Volcott posted:Distinct lack of chill ITT. Sorry, Global Warming, the arctic methane release has caused a drastic drop in Chill Levels world wide.
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Goetta posted:Man this forum sucks now. Just endless unfunny bitter rear end posts 
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Tbh berniecrats have the best chances to take over flyover caucus states he won handily, since Nebraska has two of its three major party chairs being Berniecrats and a non traditional Clintonite (native American activist against keystone xl going through his tribes reservation) as the vice chair the berniecrat wanted for unity.
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I'm still pissed tbh no millenial women got sent to the DNC for Nebraska for Bernie delegates since basically every other demographic did Identity politics liberals are weird
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ThndrShk2k posted:Also any training they can get is good training. Sanders supporters need all the help they can get to make sure they don't gently caress poo poo up by getting arrested I wonder how many woke liberals that are against police brutality are salivating at the chance for cops to beat the poo poo out of DNC protesters to teach them a lesson in civility and the evils of direct action. More Victorian era attitudes at play where protesting is so "absurd" and how anyone actively protesting the DNC at the convention should be beaten senseless. Also good use of relative privation by delegitimizing protest in this case by comparing it to the civil rights movement.
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Ban caucuses http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/sanders-wins-wash-state-party-endorsement-in-symbolic-move/350681979
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quote:There's are few that are going to do Bernie bust and you know, oh well, what can you do," Clinton supporter Nancy Pease Hogan said.
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I was waiting to hear what Nancy Pease Hogan had to say about Sanders before I made my decision. Now #ImWithHer
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Error 404 posted:Neocons gonna Neocon I thought SuperPACs were evil in the eyes of Sanders supporters? That SuperPAC (lead by the person calling for a UN investigation over the NV caucus red t-shirts) funded the 'People Summit"
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....why are you posting itt as if any of us defend caucuses. bernie won a lot of them but who cares? they're still bullshit. what you linked to, though, was a state convention. every state has those, whether they're a caucus or a primary state.
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Mitt Romney posted:I thought SuperPACs were evil in the eyes of Sanders supporters? That SuperPAC (lead by the person calling for a UN investigation over the NV caucus red t-shirts) funded the 'People Summit" Is the People's Summit an official sanders campaign event?
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Classic Comrade posted:....why are you posting itt as if any of us defend caucuses. bernie won a lot of them but who cares? they're still bullshit. Sanders himself has praised and defended caucuses multiple times. Also the WA state convention would've been a lot closer to 50/50 if it were a primary given that Clinton won there with 300% more total voters than the caucuses
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Classic Comrade posted:....why are you posting itt as if any of us defend caucuses. bernie won a lot of them but who cares? they're still bullshit. DaDs love to shadowbox with hallucinations(in this case white, heterosexual male MRA socialists). Makes debating a lot easier.
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Mitt Romney posted:Sanders himself has praised and defended caucuses multiple times. when. and either way, even if he has, once again: i guess i disagree with him on that. ―\_(ツ)_/― Classic Comrade has issued a correction as of 14:29 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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Classic Comrade posted:when. Also let's go back to 2008 and delegitimize any caucuses Clinton won and look for any times she may have praised caucuses then(for good measure).
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Classic Comrade posted:when. quote:MADDOW: It seems to me like the other sort of small D, democratic problem Personally, I'm glad establishment democrats are looking for ways to make political participation open to a greater number of people over Sanders' objections, and working to defeat or marginalise his slate of liberal hawks.
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empireofcrime posted:I wonder how many woke liberals that are against police brutality are salivating at the chance for cops to beat the poo poo out of DNC protesters to teach them a lesson in civility and the evils of direct action. More Victorian era attitudes at play where protesting is so "absurd" and how anyone actively protesting the DNC at the convention should be beaten senseless. Also good use of relative privation by delegitimizing protest in this case by comparing it to the civil rights movement. Nice strawman meltdown
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Pinterest Mom posted:Personally, I'm glad establishment democrats are looking for ways to make political participation open to a greater number of people over Sanders' objections, and working to defeat or marginalise his slate of liberal hawks. The main benefit of caucuses are that you argue and discourse before you vote. Primaries essentially have a candidate presence of 0 at the same function of voting. Low information voters would not get as much information about the candidate. Most caucus goers due to the time needed are more committed and thus more informed not only prior to coming to the caucus, but due to the presentations at said caucus. There should be a caucus/debate/information event that can be accessible while voting, yet the votes should be able to be cast without being present much like a primary. While this won't fix people who are low effort and low information who do not care to learn about opposing candidates, it'd provide a more immediate access to said info which is currently lacking. And I do realise this is essentially arguing that the caucuses benefited Bernie because Hillary gets more low-info voters. Which sounds about right too for actual reality. Just look at the polls. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 14:52 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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bird cooch posted:Nice strawman meltdown You got me. Am I to assume then that the DNC, establishment dems, and Clinton supporters are happy to foster an atmosphere of freedom of speech by supporting nonviolent protest and direct action at the convention?
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Pinterest Mom posted:slate of liberal hawks. Are you loving serious with this? After your pearl clutching with the tickets I'd think you'd be a little bit more gun shy with your belligerence. Clinton manages to outhawk every other democrat on her own, so aside from Tulsi Gabbard, who might you be referring to? If there are other hawks that Sanders supports(I'm sure there are), you might want to check with Clinton while she's busy trying to power wash all the blood off her talons.
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