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Same, but it was Works for DOS for me  I remember trying to teach my dad how to use the graphing/charting module for his baseball stats. Also volunteering to write up his rotisserie league's newsletter in this:   http://www.danielsays.com/ss-gallery-dos-sw-envision-publisher-154.html I remember obsessively seeking out fonts in whatever the hell format this used, and then doing black magic to make it print out nicely on a 24-pin dot matrix E: I can't overemphasize how big a deal WYSIWYG was at the time; most DOS-based publishing solutions were in plain text, and would indicate bold by displaying the text in yellow and so on, and you generally had to print the thing to see how it would turn out Data Graham has a new favorite as of 05:02 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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I liked the feature in After Dark where you could combine/overlay two screen savers. Mowin' Boris was never as gruesome as I expected though.
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FilthyImp posted:I had a crap load of Works documents that wouldn't work in Office XP or whatever. All those terrible 10th grade English essays, lost (for 3 or 4 years). I ended up buying an updated copy of Works about 10 years ago to try to salvage a lot of WPS files I'd saved and I think attempt to convert them to a more standard format. I seem to think that MS had some sort of Works file opening program for a while, but it also had some issues if I remember correctly. Other than that, I actually 'liked' Works in the 90s. I could get it set up where the layout of what I wanted to do was super clean and conducive to productivity. The 'draft mode' in Works just always felt better for me than anything else and not even Word has a version of that feels right.
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error1 posted:I think the concept is called non-euclidean space, where several rooms can occupy the same 3d coordinates in space but which room you see depends on which adjacent rooms you enter them from. It was easy to do in 2.5D games where the engine only deals with a list of sectors. You can see how the staircase would clip into the rooms above and below but it just disappears when the camera is looking at a different sector that overlaps. It's a neat effect.  ...but Duke 3D had a secret map that was based around a circular loop that was actually 720 degrees, meaning as you'd loop around you'd move between a "light side" and "dark side" of the map.  Connor the Conure posted:I see Anachronox 
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Is ROT13 still a thing? Now that so many forums have spoiler tags and Usenet isn't as active as it was, does it get any use, anymore?
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I never understood Microsoft works, it was being produced long after office came out, why have two suites which did mainly the same thing? I had a copy of Works 1.0 with one of our early computers, let me type up school reports like a pro, but you could also have some fun with it. It had a communications tool to log into BBSes, and it had a pretty impressive tutorial that I remember being pretty fun, I went through it many times as a kid.
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Data Graham posted:E: I can't overemphasize how big a deal WYSIWYG was at the time; most DOS-based publishing solutions were in plain text, and would indicate bold by displaying the text in yellow and so on, and you generally had to print the thing to see how it would turn out It was great getting the Allways add-on for Lotus 1-2-3 to make it WYSIWYG (or at least close to it, not sure how perfect it was).
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Original_Z posted:I never understood Microsoft works, it was being produced long after office came out, why have two suites which did mainly the same thing? Some of it was just market segregation, but yeah - you'd think it would have been easier to have a cheap pared-down version of office.
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It may have been too difficult to remove features from Office. I heard tale of dragons in that source code.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Is ROT13 still a thing?
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Computer viking posted:Some of it was just market segregation, but yeah - you'd think it would have been easier to have a cheap pared-down version of office. Works wasn't developed by Microsoft; true to form, they licensed it from some guy who wanted to make a version of AppleWorks that would run on PCs.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Is ROT13 still a thing? Now that so many forums have spoiler tags and Usenet isn't as active as it was, does it get any use, anymore? WebDog posted:Oh god I remember painfully translating a Return to Zork walkthrough from that. The only way I worked it out was some slide puzzle that spelt out a sentence which at one part in the walkthrough wasn't translated so I used that as a cypher to crack the rest of the code by hand. And this was before I had the internet where I could just search for ROT13 and run it through a program so I got pretty good at writing in ROT13 for a short time. I was really confused for a minute because I thought this was the classic FPS thread (overlap happens often, e.g. the last page or so) and you were talking about the Rise of the Triad remake that was released in 2013 and often simply called ROTT13.
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Anony Mouse posted:
pfft maybe if you forgot that 2003-2006 existed
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Legit sealed copy of Win98 found on the way home
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The only route id like to mise that thing en est directement dans la poubelle
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8 track betamax posted:The only route id like to mise that thing en est directement dans la poubelle Bien sur
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Keep it. It's considered /\ E S T H E T I C S nowadays. Possibly there's people willing to pay top dollar for that. Shame it's not Japanese edition though...
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The Kins posted:Yeah, non-euclidian space was a feature of most post-Doom 2.5D FPS engines. Marathon on the Mac was perhaps the most dick-wavey about it...  You're right. I believe my favorable bias toward my city has caused me to erroneously remember all good ION Storm titles coming from Austin and thinking that everything garbage was poo poo out under Romero's supervision in Dallas.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Is ROT13 still a thing? Now that so many forums have spoiler tags and Usenet isn't as active as it was, does it get any use, anymore? I'm not sure if any of the Windows Registry entries are still ROT13 encoded, but they used to be before 7.
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I liked MSWorks, I learned computers with the DOS version at night school on a 486. This was early '90's I ran a calibration report database for measurement equipment for a small company on it for years. The DB in Works was actually quite capable for that & printed reports nicely on my $2000 laser printer... The 486 was also $2000. After a while I went to Win 3.1 & used Works for Windows 4.0. On a Pentium 200MMX The last iteration of that setup was Works 6 on Win 98. Then I went to Excell on XP. On A Slot 1 PIII 550 G By that time I had a home machine that was a Celeron 300 @ 450 (Supermicro) & later a Pentium III 700 @ 933 (ABIT BF6) For small users its fine. The later versions of works could save as or open Office files of the era. (with some caveats) I actually still use it today for old customers. I'm running MSWorks V6.0 on Win 10 64bit Pro. It pops an error on startup but runs fine after that.
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There was something I really liked about Works over Word back in the day but I can't remember it now. But I used it a ton until having to deal with Works->Word noncompatibility.
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Black Pants posted:There was something I really liked about Works over Word back in the day but I can't remember it now. But I used it a ton until having to deal with Works->Word noncompatibility. Yeah I cannot remember why I preferred Works for some reason. In a similar vein - from memory I liked Paint Shop Pro for a few things more than Photoshop. I THINK it was something to do with fonts. Either the text entry box was more powerful or the font dropdown menu previewed each font with it's name.
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Or Broderbund's The Print Shop, which took advantage of printers printing out on a continuous feed to create banners! Recalling how slow it took to print things back in 1989 I'm kinda curious to how long it would have taken to print a giant poster the size of a garage door. Also color printing then was insanely expensive, around $8000 to $15,000 and it was either thermal transfer or go all out with laser color with a 602 pound Canon Color Laser Copier which went for $50,000. Nice roundup in PcMag from 1990
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Has Solid Ink become a thing for anyone here? I heard they would be great for lowering the costs of printing. However I remember reading an anecdote about some idiot putting wax crayons in them.
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Data Graham posted:Did they say "Vebratim" verbatim? No, that was me.  I tested 71 disks so far. (not counting that pack that was defective, that might have always been defective) Out of them 17 had errors. One had visible surface damage and was discarded. From the remaining 16 disks 7 were fine again after a low-level format, while the other 9 failed at the verification state of formatting. After exposing these disks to a strong magnet, 3 passed low level formatting and were completely fine to use once again. (tested by filling them up with random data via dd and then even comparing that data with md5sum later, which is overkill) So all in all, from 71 disks 7 were unsalvageable or about 10%. The disks were of completely different brands and I'm sure were all manufactured in the early- to mid-90s. The majority of them were 1.44 MB HD disks, and all of the defective ones were. They were never exposed to excessive temperatures or moisture. If I were to take an old floppy drive and replace the head with a strong neodymium magnet and could somehow convince the drive/system to still step across the entire disk I'd probably even have a better rate but eh, it's barely worth the effort.
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Police Automaton posted:No, that was me. Hmm ok seems reasonable. Ok.
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https://fat.gfycat.com/PiercingPresentAsianwaterbuffalo.webm I think these have been posted before but the guy who does those 80s chiptune visualisations on youtube has started uploading at 60fps and the results are rad af imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS1sdxQBqT8
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Picked up an emachine etower 333cs from a guy at work. This baby is loaded with a Cyrix M2 333, which gets around 233 MHz, and an onboard ATI 3D Rage II. I know eMachines have a bad rep but this one seems pretty well-built.   I'm thinking about underclocking it with the motherboard jumpers and using it as a DOS machine.
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Archive.org has a library of shareware CD-ROMs if you want to feel super nostalgic.WebDog posted:Or Broderbund's The Print Shop, which took advantage of printers printing out on a continuous feed to create banners! Print Shop is still being made and supported to this day.
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Police Automaton posted:(Floppy disk stuff) The only disks I ever had trouble with (after moving away from the 360k 5 1/4 disks my first PC used) were whatever Lucasarts/Lucasfilm Games shipped their games on. They were sometimes only good for one install before at least one went bad. If I happened to remember ahead of time, I'd always make a backup copy to install from and put the originals aside. I was so glad when they switched to CD-ROM. I wound up with both the floppy and CD versions of Sam & Max and Day of the Tentacle as a result.
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Buca di Bepis posted:Picked up an emachine etower 333cs from a guy at work. This baby is loaded with a Cyrix M2 333, which gets around 233 MHz, and an onboard ATI 3D Rage II. I know eMachines have a bad rep but this one seems pretty well-built. Wow. Cyrix. I remember a LOT of Cyrix CPUs overheating back then when I worked at a place that repaired PCs on the side. I'd scrape off the old thermal paste, apply some fresh and slap a larger sink and fan on it if you can. TVs Ian posted:The only disks I ever had trouble with (after moving away from the 360k 5 1/4 disks my first PC used) were whatever Lucasarts/Lucasfilm Games shipped their games on. They were sometimes only good for one install before at least one went bad. If I happened to remember ahead of time, I'd always make a backup copy to install from and put the originals aside. Is it just me, or did a lot of 3.5 in floppy disks seem to fail pretty quickly in the later years when CD-ROM began replacing them? Felt like the older ones maintained their integrity much longer. Connor the Conure has a new favorite as of 08:33 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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Yeah, floppy discs got crappier, quality-wise, as time went on. The older ones -still- maintain their data OK, while newer floppies have horrendous failure rates.
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Connor the Conure posted:Wow. Cyrix. I remember a LOT of Cyrix CPUs overheating back then when I worked at a place that repaired PCs on the side. I'd scrape off the old thermal paste, apply some fresh and slap a larger sink and fan on it if you can. I underclocked it to 120 MHz so that ought to help with the heat. Turning the internal and external caches off along with that makes Halloween Harry run like a dream! Only problem is that while the integrated audio has DOS support it's straight up busted and sounds garbled and glitchy. I have a Soundblaster Live 5.1 card that I put it but that, likewise, sounds like garbage. Looks like I need to order another SB16.
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Man gently caress that vertical hard drive caddy in those old eMachines. It's cool and keeps everything tidy and all but I remember taking that case off (remember when cases didn't have panels?) with hopes of adding a second drive and got pretty mad after I saw that. I can't recall what solution I went with. I think I just ended up replacing the drive altogether instead.
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JnnyThndrs posted:Yeah, floppy discs got crappier, quality-wise, as time went on. The older ones -still- maintain their data OK, while newer floppies have horrendous failure rates. This happens to a lot of physical storage formats when it stops being the dominant one. I have VHS cassettes from the late 80s-early 90s that still play fine but the very last ones I bought in the early 2000s fell apart (in some cases literally) after a few uses.
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Mak0rz posted:Man gently caress that vertical hard drive caddy in those old eMachines. It's cool and keeps everything tidy and all but I remember taking that case off (remember when cases didn't have panels?) with hopes of adding a second drive and got pretty mad after I saw that. I can't recall what solution I went with. I think I just ended up replacing the drive altogether instead. lol if you didn't just have hard drives hanging freely in the case by their IDE/power cables
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Code Jockey posted:lol if you didn't just have hard drives hanging freely in the case by their IDE/power cables the gold standard in vibration isolation
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