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Knorth
Aug 19, 2014

Buglord

Anidav posted:

Bill Shorten:
The problem with the Liberal ad is exactly the same problem with Mr Turnbull – Australians can spot a fake when they see one.

I can hear this in his Zinger Voice :cripes:

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Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
I demand the image of Shorten firing KFC Zingers out of his sleeves be posted again.

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
The guy in the poo poo liberal ad is apparently a real tradie, I have a friend in Sydeny saying she knows him and that hes done work on her house

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

He lost his other tag heuer down her toilet

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

If journalist's reactions to the #faketradie thing goes to show anything, it's that I should put my time in the SC thread on my CV.
You mean you haven't already, commando?

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

SynthOrange posted:

He lost his other tag heuer down her toilet

His other tag heuer is a rolex

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
Stumbled across this paper today
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11538-015-0126-0

quote:

Abstract
Ocean dynamics is known to have a strong effect on the global climate change and on the composition of the atmosphere. In particular, it is estimated that about 70 % of the atmospheric oxygen is produced in the oceans due to the photosynthetic activity of phytoplankton. However, the rate of oxygen production depends on water temperature and hence can be affected by the global warming. In this paper, we address this issue theoretically by considering a model of a coupled plankton–oxygen dynamics where the rate of oxygen production slowly changes with time to account for the ocean warming. We show that a sustainable oxygen production is only possible in an intermediate range of the production rate. If, in the course of time, the oxygen production rate becomes too low or too high, the system’s dynamics changes abruptly, resulting in the oxygen depletion and plankton extinction. Our results indicate that the depletion of atmospheric oxygen on global scale (which, if happens, obviously can kill most of life on Earth) is another possible catastrophic consequence of the global warming, a global ecological disaster that has been overlooked.

http://russgeorge.net/2016/06/17/plankton-will-stop-making-oxygen-by-end-of-century/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/global-warming-could-choke-every-6933261

quote:

“By 2100, the earth at sea level could have atmospheric oxygen levels comparable to the top of Mount Everest today. And as far as I know, people cannot normally stay on Everest without oxygen masks for more than a few minutes,” Petrovskii said.
Professor Petrovskii explained: “Global warming has been a focus of attention of science and politics for about two decades now. A lot has been said about its expected disastrous consequences; perhaps the most notorious is the global flooding that may result from melting of Antarctic ice if the warming exceeds a few degrees compared to the pre-industrial level. However, it now appears that this is probably not even close to the biggest danger that the warming can cause to the humanity.”

Welp, nice knowing you all. Lol at the poll in the Mirror article though

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

33% optimistic

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Yeah, pretty much once the ocean is dead we're all fukt. Bleaching of reefs is just an indicator of how bad things are going. Rising acidity in the oceans is causing entire patches to become barren and lifeless.

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

Does anyone actually listen to AM radio? Asking for a friend

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I used to listen to RN on am but i got led lights and they interfere with reception:v

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Snod. posted:

Does anyone actually listen to AM radio? Asking for a friend

I do.

I was at a party, just chatting to some random and it turns out she worked for the ABC newsradio, and I was the first person she had met who admitted to listening to it.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

#StayUnder Eddie.

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

This is already more listeners than I expected

Jintor
May 19, 2014

can someone put the helpful candidate/party in your area info links in the OP or relink them here or something? cheers

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I have heard the phytoplankton thing a few times and thought it was pretty common knowledge?

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Anidav posted:

80 Ann St Brisbane.
Yeah I am pretty sure I saw you there today believe it or not.

The Greens people were great but the NXT people were poo poo so lmao

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

We should go ice skating in King George Square

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Rant time.

So here's a contrast between podcasts out today, the mainstream media and the internet-journos: Two Grumpy Hacks and the Wonky boys Wonk The Vote both examined the ALP campaign launch and in particular Bill Who's slog on Medicare. On the one hand you have supposedly objective journalists with decades of experience at the coal face of politics, and a couple of lefties doing it for the love of it in their spare time. No, it's not David and Goliath.

You get from the Hacks a tirade about how Medicare is so sacred you can't make it efficient or the whingers will cry out and make it worse for "the rest of us" and then some kind of equivalence about how Peter Walsh lost the ALP the 1980 election because he wanted to make property tax efficient and was attack-ad'ed to death by the subsequently victorious Libs. Apparently that's the same thing as saying "privatising the Medicare payment system is just being efficient". And I thought it was pretty lazy to not even examine what the issue is and just write it off as a beat-up, but perhaps if you're a white well-off journalist, you can afford to write everything off because you're ok Jack, given how awful this government's every single idea has been and what a colossal failure of policy they are.

The Wonks, who are openly lefty and pro-Greens and ALP-sceptic point out that most of Medicare IS the payments system, and what effects based on past experience do you think privatising the main thing that Medicare does will have on costs and universal care? Well the profit has to come from somewhere. So of course such suggestions would be couched in "efficiency" talk, and once the sale is made, there's no fixing it. This isn't something either Hacks or Wonks needed specialist knowledge about, anyone who looks squarely at the proposal and understands what Medicare does would cry foul too.

My screed is not so much to champion a lefty viewpoint over whatever the Hacks think theirs is. But it's not hard to imagine people being fooled into accepting something that would gut Medicare because the mainstream media simply isn't interested in explaining it. Going by the Hacks who seem to imagine their attitude is a cheerful cynicism, you begin to understand how and why poo poo like the NBN just slides through yet you can get a cheap shot with "pink batts".

And just to remind you, the ALP launched two weeks out and will be paying for their campaign from now, the Libs are only doing it one week out despite having far more money and also likely to time it with the media blackout to avoid ALP attack ads. It's the Aussie way.

Count Chocula
Dec 25, 2011

WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR ENVIRONMENT
IF YOU SEE ME POSTING OUTSIDE OF THE AUSPOL THREAD PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'M MISSED AND TO START POSTING AGAIN
I don't get the outrage over #faketradie b/c I trust actors way more than manual laborers & don't get the Aussie 'tradie' fetish

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Also Victorians, Jeremy Sear's done a spreadsheet for the Victorian Senate ticket and his rationale is:

quote:

progressive parties first, then single-issue parties whose single issue isn’t so bad, then unknowns like “ungrouped” and the “ask the internet” party, then the rest is right-wingers, from least-awful to bigoted fundamentalists to flat-out xenophobes

Hope that's of some use to someone, just passing it on.

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Anyone know anything about the veterans party? I'm near Enogerra Barracks so they're running a candidate and she seems really switched on and all my army mates are going on about how good she is. They're a single issue party with a platform that isn't complete garbage so they're probably going below the greens and above the majors/FF/LDs but I guess I've seen Lambies name attached to enough press about them that I'm concerned there's something I'm missing

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Count Chocula posted:

I don't get the outrage over #faketradie b/c I trust actors way more than manual laborers & don't get the Aussie 'tradie' fetish

It's not outrage, it's amusement at how naked and lazy the pandering is.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Count Chocula posted:

I don't get the outrage over #faketradie b/c I trust actors way more than manual laborers & don't get the Aussie 'tradie' fetish

holy poo poo it's count chocula

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
also if that bloke is actually a tradie I hope he told the director it was dumb to be using a porcelin mug and wearing a giant thick wrist chain on a work-site but was ignored for stylistic purposes in an elaborate metaphor for class and politics in australia

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

ewe2 posted:

Also Victorians, Jeremy Sear's done a spreadsheet for the Victorian Senate ticket and his rationale is:


Hope that's of some use to someone, just passing it on.

Thanks, was going to start looking for some good Senate voting material, Sear always seems to be a switched on guy

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
I thought the gold watch and other assorted jewelry chains in conjunction with the generic office mug, plus the workbench nowhere near an actual worksite, was very thoughtful of the LNP.

I mean sometimes it take effort to pull their lies apart. This one was basically on a silver platter.

Literally a silver platter if they took that bling to a cashies I imagine.

Count Chocula
Dec 25, 2011

WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR ENVIRONMENT
IF YOU SEE ME POSTING OUTSIDE OF THE AUSPOL THREAD PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'M MISSED AND TO START POSTING AGAIN

Doctor Spaceman posted:

It's not outrage, it's amusement at how naked and lazy the pandering is.

Yeah but the real problem isn't that there was an actor in a political job, it's that we think having a poo poo job makes somebody wise. See also: Joe the Plumber. Like actors probably are more likely to have political views this thread agrees with.

But the whole 'tradie wants a lady' thing and giving various types of handymen cute Pokémon nicknames like 'sparky' and 'fiery ' is just weird to me.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
You name electricians a sparky because they electrocute themselves and firemen are known to burn to death. It has nothing to do with being cute. it's how people deal with death and serious injury in the workplace of dangerous occupations :psyduck:

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Plus you get white collar jobs with nicknames like chalkie and sawbones.

Count Chocula posted:

Yeah but the real problem isn't that there was an actor in a political job, it's that we think having a poo poo job makes somebody wise.
Yeah, trade jobs are poo poo, nice classism you've got going there.

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

DancingShade posted:

You name electricians a sparky because they electrocute themselves and firemen are known to burn to death. It has nothing to do with being cute. it's how people deal with death and serious injury in the workplace of dangerous occupations :psyduck:

and we call carpenters "chippies" because of their high likelihood they'll be thrown into a woodchipper in their lives

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Ambo's because they risk getting run over by one.

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
CC please don't let anyone tell you tradie naming conventions aren't dumb cutesy australian poo poo, you're wrong and dumb as dogshit on every other point but you've hit the nail on the head and I cant' stop laughing at the dumb idea that trade names are to reflect and cope with dangerous work environments loving hell anyone who thinks that is even more out of touch than CC on this

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

MC Eating Disorder posted:

CC please don't let anyone tell you tradie naming conventions aren't dumb cutesy australian poo poo, you're wrong and dumb as dogshit on every other point but you've hit the nail on the head and I cant' stop laughing at the dumb idea that trade names are to reflect and cope with dangerous work environments loving hell anyone who thinks that is even more out of touch than CC on this

Spoken like a true shiny bum.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Senor Tron posted:

Ambo's because they risk getting run over by one.

nah its coz of their fuckin unions bargaining tactics mate

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

If journalist's reactions to the #faketradie thing goes to show anything, it's that I should put my time in the SC thread on my CV.

Also crossposting from Nauru thread. :smith:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/20/the-worst-ive-seen-trauma-expert-lifts-lid-on-atrocity-of-australias-detention-regime

I dont like this

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

DancingShade posted:

Spoken like a true shiny bum.

if you want pictures of my trenchfoot to prove you're an rear end in a top hat feel free to ask

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
And for Choc's information and to the best of my knowledge, the reason tradies are so commonly gone to as a 'trustworthy average joe' figure in Australia generally seems to be down to Howard. I'm going off memory of somebody else's explanation, but Howard started that whole 'Aussie Battler' image and character as sort of a figure to reinvent the LNP's voting base around, and tradies definitely embody the more urban manifestation of it. An honest, working-class blokey bloke (because we're Australia and we cannot as a nation fathom an inspiring everyday figure that doesn't belong in a Victoria Bitter ad) just trying to live life and provide for his family.

Now that's gotten thrown into weird places over time, because if the archetypal Aussie Battler ever existed outside of Paul Hogan and Shane Jacobson characters, the LNP have sure as gently caress never actually met them. So their idea of this character has gone through a weird game of telephone, where this simple yet relatable image of the average voter has become bloated and confused because it's only ever been updated by what the LNP either want to be true about them, or think is true about them.

So the end result is you've got this clearly inaccurate depiction of the Aussie Battler that's almost a caricature, spruiking policies that both wouldn't benefit that theoretical voter and wouldn't engage them in the first place. They aren't just going 'look, we're just like you' in poor attempts to relate to the voter base, the figure they're pandering to probably doesn't actually exist in the first place.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
electricians are called sparkies because of sparks and also because who the hosed can be bothered saying "el-ec-trici-an" when it can be shortened ya bloody drongos

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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

MC Eating Disorder posted:

if you want pictures of my trenchfoot to prove you're an rear end in a top hat feel free to ask

I already know I'm an rear end in a top hat but thank you for offering to show pictures of your waterlogged feet as proof of your debating prowess and superior wordplay :confuoot:

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