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Skyl3lazer posted:Man what an awful and underwhelming card. They can't even just loving have it mindslaver, it gives your opp an extra turn. It's probably mediocre but playable in standard and unplayable everywhere else. It's probably 9-10 mana for "You win the game" 90% of the time in standard. That isn't "awful."
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It has a cast trigger that literally draws your opponent an extra card
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Jun 20, 2016 15:57
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I will say tying in 13 is a cleverer idea than I expected.
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Jun 20, 2016 15:57
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Sickening posted:Whats the over/under for modern playability? i think Emrakul is gonna have over 15 goals
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Jun 20, 2016 15:58
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Skyl3lazer posted:Man what an awful and underwhelming card. They can't even just loving have it mindslaver, it gives your opp an extra turn. It's probably mediocre but playable in standard and unplayable everywhere else. I don't think the card is awful, but it is certainly underwhelming as gently caress. This is Emrakul! The card has a certain legacy to it and cache about its coolness. We are kind of numb to it now, but the original Emrakul was striking as hell. This one......it just feels like they took Emrakul and tried to make it weaker. Now the card may end up being the stupidly powerful payoff that delirium strategies were looking for, and I hope that is the case....but its sad that Emrakul feels weaker than her compatriots.
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Jun 20, 2016 15:58
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BJPaskoff posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TN0b8ik0B8 Since they've confirmed Liliana is fighting Emrakul directly and that the rest of the Gatewatch is on Innistrad, and since this represents the cross-set completion of a cycle, I'm thinking we're getting an Oath of Liliana?
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Jun 20, 2016 15:58
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also, everyone please stop saying over/under if you don't actually know what that means, thank you
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Jun 20, 2016 15:59
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lastly, goddamn is that a disappointing card, what the hell
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Jun 20, 2016 16:01
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Over is the human side and under is the werewolf one, right?
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Jun 20, 2016 16:01
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flavor article: A series of randoms saying things like One'mrakul, We'mrakul, You'mrakul, etc. nahiri summons emrakul gisela and bruna merge into whatever this is:  jace calls for the cavalry
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mandatory lesbian posted:also, everyone please stop saying over/under if you don't actually know what that means, thank you Also, every please stop being loving retards about cards that do powerful, unique things by saying they are underwhelming. As far as standard power level goes there isn't much that is on this level. All that remains to figure out is if there will be a deck for it.
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Jun 20, 2016 16:03
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Skyl3lazer posted:It has a cast trigger that literally draws your opponent an extra card By the time you're taking one of their turns with 9+ mana available it's going to win you the game most of the time.
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Jun 20, 2016 16:03
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Disappointed the rest of the PWs didn't get snazzy period appropriate costumes.
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Sickening posted:Also, every please stop being loving retards about cards that do powerful, unique things by saying they are underwhelming. As far as standard power level goes there isn't much that is on this level. Eh, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger and Kozilek, The Great Distortion, were both more striking. This card might play in a fun way, but a lot of its abilities just feel like weaker versions of Emrakul's previous ones. It lacks the emotional punch the other Eldrazi titans have had. I will say that it could end up being super powerful, and it wouldn't surprise me. Its just the initial emotional reaction to the card I'm talking about. If I evaluate its power level, the fact that it has a cost reduction mechanic built in as well as evasion and a disruptive ability means it is probably a good card. Elyv posted:flavor article: A series of randoms saying things like One'mrakul, We'mrakul, You'mrakul, etc. This is cool body horror art, I like it. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Madmarker posted:Eh, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger and Kozilek, The Great Distortion, were both more striking. This card might play in a fun way, but a lot of its abilities just feel like weaker versions of Emrakul's previous ones. It lacks the emotional punch the other Eldrazi titans have had. Kozilek is terrible. Also: quote:Brian Braun-Duin @BraunDuinIt 17s18 seconds ago
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Sickening posted:Also, every please stop being loving retards about cards that do powerful, unique things by saying they are underwhelming. As far as standard power level goes there isn't much that is on this level. But it is super underwhelming? Like average case scenario with this card - Get to 9-10 mana, cast emrakul (1:0 card advantage) Draw card for opp's turn (0:0 card advantage) Suicide a single creature into your emrakul (1:0) If they have a removal spell, maybe aim it at one of their creatures if it's a legal target + they actually have another creature (3:1 sometimes) Pass Opp gets another turn The italicized line is the problem. You know what else costs 10 mana but is always a 3 for 1 plus is harder to kill? Newlamog. Know what will probably give you a greater card advantage? New Kozilek. The only advantage is turning Nahiri's -8 into a 13 damage burn spell, and decks that play Nahiri aren't ramping to 9 or 10 to cast Emrakul. Like sure the card is powerful but it's far from an autoloss when your opponent casts it. Really why isn't it just mindslaver Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Jun 20, 2016 16:08
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Skyl3lazer posted:It has a cast trigger that literally draws your opponent an extra card You get to attack their creatures into your 13/13
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Jun 20, 2016 16:08
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it is a cute interaction that it has protection from instants and then you get to take their turn to burn all of their sorcery speed removal on their own cards or at least, it's a cute interaction until someone stasis snares your emrakul
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Jun 20, 2016 16:10
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Skyl3lazer posted:They can't even just loving have it mindslaver, it gives your opp an extra turn. If it were on-cast mindslaver by itself it would be far more powerful than old emrakul's extra turn alone.
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Sickening posted:Also, every please stop being loving retards about cards that do powerful, unique things by saying they are underwhelming. As far as standard power level goes there isn't much that is on this level. Probably a Nahiri deck for it, really, it's definitely made to synergize well with her. Also maybe it'll wind up modern playable in Tron? Considering by that point you'll have at least cracked an egg it's one tron piece beyond Ulamog to almost certainly shut down your opponent
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Jun 20, 2016 16:11
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Also Emrakul is much, much harder to kill than Ulamog in Moderm
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Jun 20, 2016 16:12
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TheKingofSprings posted:Also Emrakul is much, much harder to kill than Ulamog in Moderm Yeah but it's going to be much harder to cast for the Modern deck that casts Ulamog. TheKingofSprings posted:Probably a Nahiri deck for it, really, it's definitely made to synergize well with her. I mean it's just being a big flying body that will get in for a lot of damage but if your opponent is at like 20 it's not affecting the board at all.
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Jun 20, 2016 16:14
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mcmagic posted:Yeah but it's going to be much harder to cast for the Modern deck that casts Ulamog. You discard all of the types, swing for 13, then cast it the next turn with the Mindslaver effect. I'm failing to see why you'd really want to play a deck with any of the new Titans over just playing Atarka, a card that is actually castable on its own. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Jun 20, 2016 16:16
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the reason it's less powerful than old emrakul is that it's reasonably possible to cast this thing in a real game of magic
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Angry Grimace posted:You discard all of the types, swing for 13, then cast it the next turn with the Mindslaver effect. If you can figure out a deck that is built to take advantage of that and also has game vs aggressive decks then you're probably a better player than I am. Seems like way too many hoops to jump through. Delirium decks are pretty terrible. DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the reason it's less powerful than old emrakul is that it's reasonably possible to cast this thing in a real game of magic I mean it's still a 9 drop even in the best case... mcmagic fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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mcmagic posted:If you can figure out a deck that is built to take advantage of that and also has game vs aggressive decks then you're probably a better player than I am. Seems like way too many hoops to jump through. 9 for a 13/13 flying trample with protection from most removal and Mindrummaging stapled on Seems good to me
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mcmagic posted:I mean it's still a 9 drop even in the best case... There's more than 4 kinds of cards?
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mcmagic posted:If you can figure out a deck that is built to take advantage of that and also has game vs aggressive decks then you're probably a better player than I am. Seems like way too many hoops to jump through. I mean, I agree - I doubt there's a way to jump through the hoop of getting 6 types in your yard AND getting to 7 mana without your opponent flooding you with Plants and Knight Allies. As I said, if I'm playing a Standard Nahiri deck, seems better to just play Atarka *shrug* I mean, she's less good in the absolute sense of the cards but you also don't have to jump through a lot of hoops to cast Atarka if your combo-wombo poo poo doesn't happen.
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I was hoping we'd get a few more cards today.
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TheKingofSprings posted:9 for a 13/13 flying trample with protection from most removal and Mindrummaging stapled on
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It doesn't shuffle your yard back in, so self mill is probably not the way to go filling your yard either. This is a disappointing sequel to the most powerful creature ever printed.
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Angry Grimace posted:I mean, I agree - I doubt there's a way to jump through the hoop of getting 6 types in your yard AND getting to 7 mana without your opponent flooding you with Plants and Knight Allies. As I said, if I'm playing a Standard Nahiri deck, seems better to just play Atarka *shrug* I mean, she's less good in the absolute sense of the cards but you also don't have to jump through a lot of hoops to cast Atarka if your combo-wombo poo poo doesn't happen. Atarka rotates out considerably earlier
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Jun 20, 2016 16:22
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they might have done a little too good of a job making all the 'mrakul art creepy as gently caress
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Jun 20, 2016 16:23
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So what I'm hearing is that I should invest in Quicken?
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Babylon Astronaut posted:It doesn't shuffle your yard back in, so self mill is probably not the way to go filling your yard either. This is a disappointing sequel to the most powerful creature ever printed. what? shuffling back in would make self-mill completely worthless, since you'd randomly undo all your progress are you one of those people who buy into the mill fallacy?
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Babylon Astronaut posted:It doesn't shuffle your yard back in, so self mill is probably not the way to go filling your yard either. This is a disappointing sequel to the most powerful creature ever printed. I mean it's not worse than Honored Hierarch or Relic Seeker...
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Emrakul is probably made to be effectively cheaper to cast than the other Titans because she's not in a block dedicated to ramping out big dudes. Because of that she also has to be equivalently weaker. The end.
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I don't think it's that much of a stretch to imagine a naya ramp deck that has nahiri but can also hardcast Emrakul sometimes.
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mcmagic posted:I mean it's still a 9 drop even in the best case... We're in a standard where people play Ulamog. In more ways than one. I think they can adapt to a card that will cost +/- 1 and screws with the opponent's ability to have a turn to respond to it.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Atarka rotates out considerably earlier Sure, but there's big gross creatures in every set, that's just an example.
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