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Angry Grimace posted:The only reason it would be playable is if there was a reason to toolbox Eldrazi instead of just putting said card in your deck. I can't think of a real use for that.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Displacer/Brood Monitor The card you'd want to wish for is Brood Monitor, not Displacer since Displacer is actually good.
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Jun 21, 2016 00:26
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legoman727 posted:RoE is such a fantastic draft format but why the hell is Dawnglare Invoker a common. dawnglare invoker is kind of a trap because white is probably the weakest color in the set. White in RoE is still stronger than strong colors in worse formats, of course, but it's probably the least versatile color. U/W Levelers is probably the only good base white deck you can assemble unless you get kor spiritdance for G/W Umbras (the only real white payoff for going deep on umbras, since totem-guide hartebeest just lets you splash value auras without going deep). Similarly, white defender cards aren't really the role players in defender decks compared to red or green defender cards. Zoness fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Jun 21, 2016 00:31
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Kilo147 posted:So the moon is a helvault, right? Yeah it's pretty clear to me they're gonna trap'rakul big E in the silver moon.
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Jun 21, 2016 00:35
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Cute that it lets you get Ulamogs that have been pathed back, but probably not good enough for modern.
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Jun 21, 2016 00:42
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think it's kindof neat, there's an Eldrazi infinite combo in standard after all. Finally, a reason to play bant colors in standard.
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Jun 21, 2016 00:44
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We made it 3 whole posts before that one was declared bad! mcmagic isn't mashing f6 hard enough today.
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Jun 21, 2016 00:53
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I really hope eldrazi toolbox becomes a thing
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Bugsy posted:Cute that it lets you get Ulamogs that have been pathed back, but probably not good enough for modern. Why not just play another copy of Ulamog though? The problem with the card is that all of the playable 10+ mana eldrazi pretty identical in practice. You don't really care if you're casting emrakul or newlamog or new emrakul, you just cast one and win. None of the lesser eldrazi are strong enough to make a wishboard out of. If you want Eldrazi Displacer you just put a bunch in your deck. The only real utility is putting a big eldrazi and an All Is Dust into your sideboard, but that still seems like an extremely ineffecient use of mana and sideboard space. Are there any shapeshifter cards worth putting in a wish board?
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BaronVonVaderham posted:We made it 3 whole posts before that one was declared bad! mcmagic isn't mashing f6 hard enough today. I mean, eldrazi wish seems marginal at best atm, there isn't a large enough selection of different silver bullets to fetch up
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Jun 21, 2016 01:00
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BaronVonVaderham posted:We made it 3 whole posts before that one was declared bad! mcmagic isn't mashing f6 hard enough today. Didn't you get sacrificed to Birthing Pod or something
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Jun 21, 2016 01:03
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There are a lot of good Eldrazi that cost less than 10 mana now.
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Jun 21, 2016 01:04
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Wishes are clearly bad and that's why they don't see play in any format.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Didn't you get sacrificed to Birthing Pod or something Did someone wish him to the thread or something.
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SoftNum posted:Wishes are clearly bad and that's why they don't see play in any format. They see play when what they're grabbing is high impact, generally used for a combo purpose and with the idea in mind that whatever they grab will get played in the same "turn" (Cunning on the end step is close enough IMO). They're also way, way broader in what they grab. You're either taking a turn off to play this or whatever you're grabbing wasn't particularly high impact. There are at least 5 Eldrazi in the set it looks like, so maybe what this can grab will be big but right now I'm not seeing it.
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Jun 21, 2016 01:10
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SoftNum posted:Wishes are clearly bad and that's why they don't see play in any format. When your entire list of wish targets are fairly costed bodies and 10 mana vindicates, wishing for them is rather mediocre. Like, no one would play burning wish if it only wished for X spells that target players. Glittering wish doesn't see much play either for the same reason.
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Jun 21, 2016 01:13
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Goddamnit, I wish Triskadekaphobia had a bonus for 13/13 creatures now.
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Kilo147 posted:So the moon is a helvault, right? "Went to the moon" - Innistrad saying that means to go to super jail.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There are a lot of good Eldrazi that cost less than 10 mana now. please list the ones that would still be good if they took 3 extra mana to cast
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Jun 21, 2016 01:36
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I hope Helvault 2 - Lunar Boogaloo is a powerful, well designed, very playable card in multiple formats
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Current list of Standard-playable Eldrazi: http://magiccards.info/query?q=t%3A%22eldrazi%22+f%3Astandard&v=card&s=cname The rest: http://magiccards.info/query?q=t%3A%22eldrazi%22+e%3Aroe%2Fen&v=card&s=cname
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Jun 21, 2016 01:45
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It turns out that I like Magic when I'm not reading this thread or any of its sister threads. This goes for most other things too.
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Jun 21, 2016 01:56
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Chill la Chill posted:"Went to the moon" - Innistrad saying that means to go to super jail. Jesus loving chirst, The Honeymooners just got real fuckin' dark.
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Jun 21, 2016 02:04
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It's legacy-playable because it can get Emrakul, the Aeons Torn out of the sideboard for combos and is pitchable to force. Well, as it stands, Omnitell keeps its Emrakuls mainboarded since they can be shown and told perfectly well. Maybe the eldrazi wish can find a little utility in the dark world that is blue combo decks.
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(Note: this post assumes that none of the new Eldrazi really fill in functionality for the old ones. Also I'm writing this from my phone so please forgive stupid mistakes and that this turned into me rambling) Wishes have generally seen play in three contexts. One is in combo decks that can want one of many different things while comboing off but may have mana to burn, and then the wish can turn into what they want. For example, look at David Gearhart's Solidarity decklist here. If he needed to draw cards while going off, he could get stroke or meditate, if he needed to kill he could get brain freeze, if he needed even more mana he could get turnabout, if he needed to fight a counter war he had some counters (I would have liked to see a misd in there, but whatever), or a bounce spell to deal with a troublesome permanent. The second type uses it more as a toolbox that can grab narrow, matchup-specific cards, like with Burning Tog , where burning wish could fetch cheap removal, powerful card draw, sweepers, specific hosers, and finishers. Similarly, if we look at Kai's Cunning Wake list, we see a package of removal, specific gate cards, dig, counterspells, and also Elephant Ambush. Also, part of Wake's endgame was forking Cunning Wish with Mirari to get back a previously used Wish and another card (especially since back then they could get exiled cards again, like an elephant ambush that had been flashbacked) Note that in both case 1 and case 2, the card becomes good when you're not choked on mana and have a wide variety of things to get that can help when you're ahead or behind. (The third place it's seen play in Vintage, where Burning Wish let you play with 4 Yawgmoth's Will, but I think we can all agree that's pretty irrelevant). In Standard, what are you getting? TKS gives you a powerful disruptive midgame threat, you could a large finisher, but what else? I guess you could get another powerful midgame threat like Drowner of Hope, Reality Smasher or Eldrazi Displacer, but you have to pay a 3 mana premium on them in that case and it also means you're not running them maindeck. Note that most wishboards are filled with cards you wouldn't want to maindeck because otherwise you could just put them in your deck. I guess it could tutor up Eldrazi Displacer or Brood Monitor for that deck, which might be a thing worth doing if you throw something like TKS and Drowner in and well, but I'm not sure. In Modern, the obvious place is Blue Tron, where it can get TKS, All Is Dust, large finishers, and maybe midgame cards like Smasher or Drowner. I thought I was going to conclude that the card is unplayable but I guess instead I decided that it might be? Huh.
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lust for war is the best roe archetype
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's legacy-playable because it can get Emrakul, the Aeons Torn out of the sideboard for combos and is pitchable to force. I sincerely doubt that any of the show and tell varieties would want to have to cast a 3 mana spell before being able to fire off their namesake card. As it stands, I'm not convinced that it's a very good card, without something useful being printed in ELM. The reason you would consider playing it is because you can theoretically make sure that you don't get some 10-15 drop stuck in your hand, and instead you can tutor up the cheap interaction early, and the expensive finisher late. However, there aren't any good cheap interaction Eldrazis right now, unless it turns out to be good enough to pay 7 for a Thought-Knot Seer. The one scenario that seems somewhat compelling is being able to wish up All is Dust in modern blue Tron. Still, that's 10 mana for a sweeper, which even in a Tron deck seems rough. Still, it's a cool card, and I also did not think we would ever see a wish again. I'm happy that it exists, even if it never ends up seeing play.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's legacy-playable because it can get Emrakul, the Aeons Torn out of the sideboard for combos and is pitchable to force. If there's one thing combo decks like to do, it's doing something they were already doing, but paying three extra mana for it.
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little munchkin posted:If there's one thing combo decks like to do, it's doing something they were already doing, but paying three extra mana for it. Yeah, that's the problem with finding a home for it now. But I have faith that a card that grabs a sideboard Emrakul and can be pitched to force will find a loving home... somewhere.... Also it doesn't exile itself unlike most wishes. Probably not that relevant.
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Who gives a gently caress if it can be pitched to Force of Will, it can be pitched to Commandeer
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Burning Wish, Cunning Wish, and Living Wish are bad cards, everyone. Pack it in.
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Star Man posted:Burning Wish, Cunning Wish, and Living Wish are bad cards, everyone. Pack it in. Did you read any of the discussion?
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Rinkles posted:Did you read any of the discussion? This is the GW death thread, right?
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Like most wishes, you basically pay a 3-mana premium in order to choose which effect you want. Rather than putting the wish target itself in your deck instead, which is cheaper mana-wise but you don't get to pick which one you draw. So usually that's good for cards that can be huge blowouts in certain situations but not so useful otherwise. Alas, all the eldrazi in standard right now are just super-pushed so there's not really any reason not to run them all main-deck. I suppose there might be one ultra-pushed eldrazi that you want 7 copies of or something, but even then you already have that land that tutors things up.
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Star Man posted:This is the GW death thread, right? would you like to have an actual discussion or would you prefer to just keep posting one-liners
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At the very least, it doesn't seem blue at all. Not to mention it represents something a boros walker did.
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Jun 21, 2016 03:01
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She wished for Emrakul, but not the mana to hard cast it.
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Jabor posted:Like most wishes, you basically pay a 3-mana premium in order to choose which effect you want. Rather than putting the wish target itself in your deck instead, which is cheaper mana-wise but you don't get to pick which one you draw. They aren't in the MB of any T1 decks in standard. They aren't all that pushed.
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Angry Grimace posted:I mean, if you count Arlinn, there's yet another mythic that has no particular synergy with werewolves. drat this is pretty neat
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mcmagic posted:They aren't in the MB of any T1 decks in standard. They aren't all that pushed. And we're all really shocked that cmc 4+ creatures are not seeing much play in a format dominated by Collected Company.
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