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AP typically requires a lot longer time spent in control of the property.
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Mr. Nice! posted:AP typically requires a lot longer time spent in control of the property. Nono like the establishing it part. In Illinois you gotta be there 20 years, and I've never heard of under 7. But then I end up seeing stories about squatters getting tossed out by cops for trespassing and it seems to be a big mess of what the law allows vs cops just doing/not doing whatever they feel like. Basically my question is how do you adversely possess something if cops just roll up and arrest you for trespassing if they feel like it
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Jun 19, 2016 16:24
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mastershakeman posted:Nono like the establishing it part. In Illinois you gotta be there 20 years, and I've never heard of under 7. But then I end up seeing stories about squatters getting tossed out by cops for trespassing and it seems to be a big mess of what the law allows vs cops just doing/not doing whatever they feel like. I think in principle they are very similar, but my guess is actually-existing AP doesn't look like squatting, it looks like disputes between neighbors. You know: "My dad put up this fence in 1955 and you can't tell me this 10 feet of land belongs to you, it's mine now."
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Jun 19, 2016 16:28
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The Dagda posted:I think in principle they are very similar, but my guess is actually-existing AP doesn't look like squatting, it looks like disputes between neighbors. You know: "My dad put up this fence in 1955 and you can't tell me this 10 feet of land belongs to you, it's mine now." Yeah, I think in theory if you're correctly adversely possessing someone else's house, the police have no reason to eject you from the property, because you're using the property as if you were the true owner and the true owner hasn't told the police you're there.
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Jun 19, 2016 16:32
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mastershakeman posted:Nono like the establishing it part. In Illinois you gotta be there 20 years, and I've never heard of under 7. But then I end up seeing stories about squatters getting tossed out by cops for trespassing and it seems to be a big mess of what the law allows vs cops just doing/not doing whatever they feel like. Adverse possession is mostly for boundary disputes that nobody noticed for a generation not a way to get a free house. It's not like the police have to allow you to begin building up time for adverse possession because it's not something that's encouraged. If you get caught you get thrown out on your rear end.
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Jun 19, 2016 16:33
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I think it's just Chicago coloring my question, because the police there have told me that as long as there's furniture in the property, they consider the squatters to be legal occupants and won't take action against them. I think it'd legitimately be possible to adversely possess a house in a 20 year period here without enough moxy (breaking back in every few years when you actually do get evicted) basically it was a dumb question i asked because i was bored mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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Jun 19, 2016 16:40
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Yeah msm that's just cops selectively enforcing laws.
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Jun 19, 2016 17:03
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Jury trials for loving small claims. Do you not have enough other matters in the states to spend judicial resources on that you can run jury trials for that kind of stuff
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Jun 19, 2016 18:05
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There are almost 900 justices of the peace in Texas, a state if 25 million people. The worst thing is they handle credit card debt prove ups, with almost no real way to fight at that level.
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Jun 19, 2016 18:07
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mastershakeman posted:I think it's just Chicago coloring my question, because the police there have told me that as long as there's furniture in the property, they consider the squatters to be legal occupants and won't take action against them. I think it'd legitimately be possible to adversely possess a house in a 20 year period here without enough moxy (breaking back in every few years when you actually do get evicted) If you get evicted, that'd reset the clock though
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Jun 19, 2016 18:08
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Discendo Vox posted:I haven't been following the legal question thread anywhere near as long as some, but I can tell this latest one has a lot of potential. "User's posts in this thread" will give some background (partially edited)
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Jun 19, 2016 18:17
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Its that nutbag from Utah, who had to go to this review board thing, facing expulsion, because he was stalking and harassing people and having outbursts. I guess he's still having trouble not stalking people.
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Jun 19, 2016 18:34
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I legit just want everyone to have a good happy life. It's tough if you have a disorder or mental illness. I spent two years trying to save the poor and sick from themselves. Lawyers aren't the answer, counselors are.
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Jun 19, 2016 18:40
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I legit just want everyone to have a good happy life. It's tough if you have a disorder or mental illness. I spent two years trying to save the poor and sick from themselves. Lawyers aren't the answer, counselors are. Only if the crazy person doesn't have money.
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Jun 19, 2016 21:28
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mastershakeman posted:I think it's just Chicago coloring my question, because the police there have told me that as long as there's furniture in the property, they consider the squatters to be legal occupants and won't take action against them. I think it'd legitimately be possible to adversely possess a house in a 20 year period here without enough moxy (breaking back in every few years when you actually do get evicted) Isn't one of the elements for AP "claim of title"? As in, you'd have to show that you truly believed that you were the true owner of the property. This isn't a problem for, say, a fence-line dispute. I have a hard time seeing a squatter making that same argument.
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Jun 20, 2016 14:44
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Not as far as I know. I thought part of the public policy behind ap was that if someplace was abandoned and someone else just took it over they got to keep it eventually. I suppose property tax sales serve that function now but not everywhere has that.
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Jun 20, 2016 14:47
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Depending on where to you leave, color of title might reduce how long you have to occupy the property
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Jun 20, 2016 14:58
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mastershakeman posted:Not as far as I know. I thought part of the public policy behind ap was that if someplace was abandoned and someone else just took it over they got to keep it eventually. I suppose property tax sales serve that function now but not everywhere has that. No, that's homesteading and there was an act passed when we wanted to do that. Adverse possession is basically just a statute of limitations on property claims so that if everyone's thought the layout was X for a generation, someone turning up a musty old map that says the line was five feet to the right and now I own the wall of your house doesn't actually gently caress everything up. It's for those edge cases, not for getting a free house. In some states, knowing it's not your land means you can never get it regardless of how long you're staying there.
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Jun 20, 2016 15:10
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Interesting. So someplace like Washington state with no property tax, how does abandoned real estate get resolved?
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Jun 20, 2016 15:14
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mastershakeman posted:Interesting. So someplace like Washington state with no property tax, how does abandoned real estate get resolved? Probably an action to quiet title.
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Jun 20, 2016 15:34
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mastershakeman posted:Interesting. So someplace like Washington state with no property tax, how does abandoned real estate get resolved? Nitpicking, but WA has property tax--it's income tax that we don't have.
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Jun 20, 2016 19:32
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I've had ten or so cases where adverse possession was an issue, and they were all in the context of boundary lines or mineral trespass. About a 7 to 3 ratio
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Jun 20, 2016 19:37
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Bro Enlai posted:Nitpicking, but WA has property tax--it's income tax that we don't have. Oops! I knew there was a weird Oregon/Washington split on that, is it income vs sales? Buy in Portland, live in Vancouver WA?
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Jun 20, 2016 19:38
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all property law is boring until we make it to space I'm a little jealous of future space lawyers. Or at least the ones who have to make it out for the surveys.
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Jun 21, 2016 03:03
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Green Crayons posted:all property law is boring until we make it to space http://law.olemiss.edu/academics-programs Sign up now!
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Jun 21, 2016 05:18
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The only one in the nation! My friends at ole miss say it's as silly to them as everyone else
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Jun 21, 2016 05:33
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mastershakeman posted:Oops! I knew there was a weird Oregon/Washington split on that, is it income vs sales? Buy in Portland, live in Vancouver WA? Yep! It's a pretty sweet deal if you can overlook being mistaken for the good Vancouver all the time
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Jun 21, 2016 06:35
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Is there a Venn diagram for air law and bird law?
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Jun 21, 2016 08:58
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I have a deep, passionate love for bankruptcy law and scholarship, and have considered getting an LLM in it, but then I remember that's useless and I go back to practicing a niche area that everyone hates.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I have a deep, passionate love for bankruptcy law and scholarship, and have considered getting an LLM in it, but then I remember that's useless and I go back to practicing a niche area that everyone hates. Be an American hero and take a case from start to scotus where you get student loans discharged in bk as easily as credit card debt. The world will thank you
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I have a deep, passionate love for bankruptcy law and scholarship, and have considered getting an LLM in it, but then I remember that's useless and I go back to practicing a niche area that everyone hates. You don't need an LLM to be an expert in Bankruptcy Court. Just be able to show up to a non-hearing, disheveled and 10 minutes late, and say things like, "My client can't pay that, their cat has post-partum depression." and, "That business records affidavit from American Express doesn't state how they know that they know that the records are kept in the ordinary course of business." And also learn to live off of $30/client after 8 months of work.
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blarzgh posted:You don't need an LLM to be an expert in Bankruptcy Court. Just be able to show up to a non-hearing, disheveled and 10 minutes late, and say things like, "My client can't pay that, their cat has post-partum depression." and, "That business records affidavit from American Express doesn't state how they know that they know that the records are kept in the ordinary course of business." How can someone have personal knowledge by reviewing computer records , am I rite judge 
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Jun 21, 2016 14:15
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I'm not talking consumer bankruptcy. I'd kill you first and start defending your traffic ticket cases.
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Jun 21, 2016 14:36
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One of Chicago's big bankruptcy attorneys is banned, by court order, from entering bars in Chicago's "Viagra Triangle" due to his history of tricking his dates into picking up his bar tab
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Jun 21, 2016 14:48
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I'm not talking consumer bankruptcy. I'd kill you first and start defending your traffic ticket cases. 
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Jun 21, 2016 14:49
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Emanuel Collective posted:One of Chicago's big bankruptcy attorneys is banned, by court order, from entering bars in Chicago's "Viagra Triangle" due to his history of tricking his dates into picking up his bar tab Who, Geraci? Good for that dude
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Jun 21, 2016 14:51
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This guy's gonna get chumped fyi. The power of love will warm his frozen heart and he'll die. That power? He'll see it by watching the lannisters and targs have a giant incest orgy as GRMM intended
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Jun 21, 2016 14:52
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Emanuel Collective posted:One of Chicago's big bankruptcy attorneys is banned, by court order, from entering bars in Chicago's "Viagra Triangle" due to his history of tricking his dates into picking up his bar tab Don't girls try and do that on every date?
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mastershakeman posted:This guy's gonna get chumped fyi. The power of love will warm his frozen heart and he'll die. That power? He'll see it by watching the lannisters and targs have a giant incest orgy as GRMM intended GRRMs originally long term plan involved a love triangle between Jon Snow, Tyrion, and Arya.
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