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Arcade Rabbit posted:Whatever combination of characters will allow you to continue to reduce the post game to a shuddering, crying mess Yes. They all had 0.1 speed multipliers, meaning that they would significantly slow your characters down. Also they only had slightly more attack power than the real ultimate weapons, which didn't even matter if the real ultimate weapon provided a strength bonus. Not the case in EO2U. The ultimate weapons obtained from quests have the same speed modifiers as the other weapons of their kind, and I believe some of them actually come with secondary boosts this time around. So they've been upgraded from terrible to mediocre. The reasoning for the fact that the ultimate weapons obtained from quests aren't the best is because they're supposed to be a stop gap until you unlock the real ultimate weapons through fulfilling difficult to accomplish conditional drops, which require more effort than just completing a quest.
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Jackie, Tyler, Ursa, Rheine.
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Jun 20, 2016 13:09
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Ranger, Phoebe, Milly, Sophie
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Current results are:quote:Ursa: 7 Anyone not listed has no votes.
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Jackie, Pheobe, Realga.
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Seems like everyone that wanted to vote has, and the final results are:quote:Ursa: 7 Anyone not listed has no votes. This leaves us with a party of Colette, Ursa, Ranger, Nadia, Rheine.
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I re-read the Alchemist skill guide, and I had an idea: Could a Palm skill force Riot Formula to be a certain damage type? If you've tested this, tell us. If not, try it out!
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Update 56: Un-Winter Wyvern   Everyone, bar Nadia, is the same as you last saw them. The only real changes are Ranger has a level 10 Freeze Sabre Grimoire instead of Shock Sabre, and Nadia is working on maxing out Sagittarius Shot now that she has Chain Dance maxed. She also has the Zamiel Bow and both of her ultimate armors equipped. Note my choice of food, incidentally. You'll see what that actually means in a bit.     SYSTEM: Artelinde bows graciously towards you, and the old man stands as implacably as ever. SYSTEM: Having said that, Wilhelm casts a glance over his shoulder, then looks gravely to you again. SYSTEM: She bites her lip, finding it hard to continue. Seeing her expression, Wilhelm continues the story. Wilhelm's technically not wrong, but we'll discuss that later. SYSTEM: The old man finishes his grim tale, and his partner extends her hand, passing something forward to you.  SYSTEM: This staff is the fabled Yggdrasil Staff... Inside it rests Yggdrasil's arcane might. The bearer's mind gains nigh-infinite power! SYSTEM: With that, Artelinde falls silent, and Wilhelm moves aside to clear the way ahead. The two members of Guild Esbat take their exit...  What kind of wimp would I be to listen to that and not go forward?  Firstly, though, this thing. The Yggdrasil Staff is the first pseudo-ultimate weapon, as I'll refer to them from here on out. These are given out from quests, and have the highest ATK value of their respective weapon class (swords and katanas excepted)--albeit usually by 5 or less points. In exchange for that, however, all but one of them lack any secondary attributes whatsoever. The only exception is this one, the Yggdrasil Staff, which gives +50 HP and TP. That's a pretty mediocre bonus, honestly, and the actual ultimate staff, the Kerykeion, gives +200 TP and +7 TEC, which are stats that staff wielders would actually want. Having said that, Colette will be holding onto the Yggdrasil Staff for a while, since its ATK is head and shoulders above anything else she can equip at this point, and it offsets the loss of bonus stats. She'll replace it with the ultimate sword later, though. (Worth noting that there is no pseudo-ultimate spear.)   Wyvern doesn't have any pre-battle text.  VIDEO: Boss Battle: Wyvern   Quick refresher on Wyvern's stats: quote:
 I'm not gonna paralyze Wyvern just yet--I want to ensure that it'll die with the ailment. I enable War Edge Power to compensate for that fact.  Ursa immediately turns on Desperation so that she won't get one-shot by an unlucky Wing Talon.  Ranger preps Delayed Chase.  Nadia'll fire off Sagittarius Shot.  And Rheine buffs everyone's attack, same as always.     ...I overestimated Burning Ray. To be fair, though, Ursa took 25% of its normal damage--50% reduction from the Bikini Armor, and a further 50% from Loyalty Mastery.  Imagine if Milly was here.    Now that Nadia is using actual skills, I have her enable Illusion Step.  Rheine throws out a Dauntless Order as insurance, in case Ursa gets one shot by something.      Ursa could survive that even without Desperation.    Breaking news: Ranger still deals big damage.  War Edge Power is about to run out, so I'm gonna try to paralyze Wyvern now.  Rheine's out of buffs to cast, so she switches to Link Order.      Ow.    I'd say that's kind of Lucky, but Nadia has equivalent LUC to Wyvern, Wyvern only has 50% paralysis res, and Paralysis Arrow's base inflict chance at level 20 is 80%.   I wish I could stack more TEC on Rheine, honestly.  Ursa just attacks, since I know Wyvern isn't going to do anything. Notice how I said "know." That is because the Shell Yakiniku, which bills itself as "Paralysis Effect Up," actually makes it so that paralyzed enemies have a 99% chance to not act. Paralyzed enemies are effectively completely helpless while the Shell Yakiniku is in effect.  Wyvern's at half HP, so I need more turns of Transform.  I'm not gonna need Illusion Step for the rest of the fight, so I might as well have Nadia deal as much damage as possible.    Yeah, we'll be able to kill this thing before the paralysis runs out.  Mhm, we're good.  I'm worried that the paralysis might run out after one turn, so I have Ranger just use Akashic Nova for maximum damage.      Too easy, honestly.   SYSTEM: You carefully examine its titanic corpse, and discover a gleaming gun between the flying dragon's huge teeth. This must be the firearm known as the ultimate gun--Agnea!  SYSTEM: You obtained the gun, and completed your quest. All that remains is to go back to the bar and collect your reward.  Ranger's Force gauge can now go to a maximum of 185.      Colette's working towards War Heal All.  Still giving Ursa marginally more survivability.  Accounting for Grimoires, Sagittarius Shot now deals 530% damage.  I've run out of actives I want on Rheine.    We'll close out on the items from Wyvern's drops. Next time: unlocking the depths of the Forbidden Wood by killing Golem.
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Pre-Update 57: Golem pre-fight overview Golem HP: 18000, STR: 60, TEC: 54, VIT: 57, AGI: 33, LUC: 47 Skills:
Disable resistances: An ancient construct, whose purpose was long forgotten. Disturb it at your own risk... Golem is such a massive joke that it's almost kind of sad. Notice how literally all of his skills, except for Flash, use the arms, and how little HP he has, even when factoring Endure into account. He doesn't even really hit that hard, unless you screw up and let Power of Stone get to 3 or more casts. He's such a massive joke that I'm not even gonna type up specific descriptions for each character. I'm sure you can easily guess that elemental damage dealers are kings/queens here--although, frankly, the only characters we have that have to rely solely on physical damage, with no viable options for elemental damage, are Freyja and Asriel. I will say, however: Anyway, categories: Damage dealers Defense Support Vote for a maximum of 4 characters, at least one from each category, with a max of two votes for the same character.
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Jackie, Stardust, Phoebe, Rheine This shouldn't even be a challenge.
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Stardust, Ursa, Rheine, Freyja (I know Freyja is one of the two non-elemental damage dealers but on the other hand, I've seen what she and Sophie can do with binds and those resistances aren't too terrible).
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Tyler, Phoebe, Colette, Milly
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Stardust, Tyler, Phoebe, Colette
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Stardust, Jackie, Phoebe, Rheine I was going to vote for a party with no elemental damage whatsoever but decided I want to see this group instead. I wanna see these rocks burn.
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Freyja, Stardust, Phoebe, Realga
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Milly, Stardust, Jackie, Ursa. Its true that Golem's ridiculously easy, may as well finish it as quickly as possible :v
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Realga, Ursa, Tyler, Jackie.
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Zack, Stardust, Phoebe, Rheine
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Zack, Pheobe, Rheine, Rheine. Go ahead. Use Ad Nihilo. 
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Current results are:quote:Phoebe: 7 Anyone not listed has no votes.
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Tyler, Tyler, Phoebe, Milly
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Rheine, Colette, Stardust, Ursa How did I miss a whole update AweStriker fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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You're missing some vital info for Power of Stone. Golem only casts it when it has no buffs. Also the duration starts at 9 turns, but it decreases every time the skill is used. Another thing to note is that Power of Stone applies 3 instances of the buff to Golem on the first cast, 2 instances on the second. And only 1 on the third. While the fight is easy, it's also a bear trap for people thinking they can just dispel the buffs easily with Ad Nihilo or Metopons. Canceling the buffs with debuffs is safer, since they will only cancel out one instance of the buff.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Zack, Pheobe, Rheine, Rheine. Go ahead. Use Ad Nihilo. #Killallgolems
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Dr. Fetus posted:Go ahead. Use Ad Nihilo. I did that the first time. Actually, roughly the first seven or so times before Ragnar told me what was up. I'm sure you know how well those runs turned out.
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Jun 21, 2016 16:56
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Tyler, Jackie, Phoebe, Rheine Let's make a magical stone robot look bad.
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Tyler, Zack, Phoebe, Rheine
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Tyler, Phoebe, Realga, and Jackie I remember this fight in the original game. I had just retired my team, so they were all level 30 when I went to do this quest, not realizing that there was a boss fight. I still won.
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If the Wyvern had the gun in its teeth, does that mean Burning Ray was it pulling the trigger with its tongue? Because that would be incredible.Efe posted:Jackie, Stardust, Phoebe, Rheine Domo arigatou, Mr. Roboto.
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Junpei posted:I re-read the Alchemist skill guide, and I had an idea: I just tested it, and yes. I tried it about seven times in a row before I was satisfied with my results, and got Riot Formula to consistently deal Ice damage by using Ice Palm before it.
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It was said in the Alchemist discussion that Palms force the next attack to be a certain element.
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Dr. Fetus posted:It was said in the Alchemist discussion that Palms force the next attack to be a certain element. That's not the point. The point is that it makes RF even better by making sure you hit the weakness!
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Junpei posted:That's not the point. The point is that it makes RF even better by making sure you hit the weakness! It was an interesting thing to test, and something I hadn't considered until now. Unfortunately, I crunched the numbers, and I think it still loses in average damage per turn to Compression with an all-target Formula, even with all the necessary passives taken into account. It's also incredibly more costly on the TP side and requires a much larger skill point investment, so it doesn't have that going for it either. The only advantage I can see off the top of my head is keeping a buff slot open, but Compression is such a strong buff that you'd typically want that anyway. That being said, I do appreciate the effort to find some creative use out of a questionable skill. Maybe if you had a Palm Alchemist, you could get a level 10 Riot Formula grimoire and use that, since the Palm skills themselves don't cost too much TP, even when maxed out.
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Riot Formula is only worth it if you are using a Palm Alchemist. It is terrible for a compression Alch.
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Tyler, Tyler, Phoebe, Colette. I just want to see Tyler help kill a few more things so he has more heroic acts to his actual name instead of just being in the same guild as the people who did the big shot stuff. I SYMPATHIZE WITH HIS BACKSTORY, OKAY.
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Voting is closed. Final results:quote:Phoebe: 14 Anyone not listed has no votes. The winning party is Phoebe, Tyler, Stardust, Sophie, Rheine.
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Update 57: Craggy Exterior Golem is going to have a bad time against this party.         I bought Tyler and Rheine their ultimate weapons. For Tyler's skill build, I'm still just getting basically-random passives on him.  I also have the Attack Item Up food on, for maximum Stardust damage.   Incidentally, I love how the Forbidden Wood looks at night.   In the original EO2, due to limitations of the DS and the engine, the Forbidden Wood at night just looked like it had a slight black filter tossed on it.  In EO2U, the skybox changes to a sky full of stars, and the fog changes to this really pleasant dark blue.   SYSTEM: You feel as though you are being watched by someone... A sword is on the far side of the room. Its blade pierces the ground, and a strange magical circle has been formed around it... As you gaze upon the sword, the chief of the winged ones appears with the Foul Grail.  SYSTEM: With these words, Canaan looks around and lifts the Foul Grail. SYSTEM: Canaan trails off and stares at you intently. After a long silence, he speaks curtly: SYSTEM: Canaan lifts the Foul Grail and chants in an avian language you are unable to comprehend. His voice gradually increases in volume until the ground and the air seem to tremble...   SYSTEM: His expression grows pained, and he continues in a hushed tone. SYSTEM: The chief blesses your journey before leaving the area. You may examine the sword in front of you, or return to it once you are better prepared.   SYSTEM: It is driven deep into the ground, piercing the magical circle. SYSTEM: You take hold of the sword's hilt, and the blade pulls freely from the earth. Immediately afterward, the magic circle lets out a shockwave, causing you to drop the sword!    SYSTEM: Your explorer's sense tells you that a dangerous fiend is headed in your direction... The sense of malice is so strong that you are frozen in place, and can barely duck in time!  SYSTEM: There's no time now to chase after the lost sword--you must fight for your lives!   VIDEO: Boss Fight: Golem Watch this video if you want to see a dunk of massive proportions--I'd even go so far as to call it a Chaos Dunk.   A quick refresher on Golem's stats: quote:
 This is the only thing Phoebe will do for the entire fight.  Tyler's starting action in any fight will always be Delayed Charge.  Yep.  Sophie's going to open most fights from here on out with Creeping Curse and Madness Curse.  This is the only thing Rheine is going to do with Victory Vow.        Pff.  I'm not enabling Hero Battle yet--I want Tyler to have it when Delayed Charge goes off.  This is gonna be explosive.  I want Sophie to bind Golem's arms, so she can use Black Mist next turn.  And now Rheine's just going to use Link Order.      Yeah, Golem's not long for this world.  Tyler's spiffy new Wyvern Spear helps with his usual damage problem.  Delayed Charge is now at 2 turns until it's ready, so I enable Hero Battle on Tyler.  My plan went perfectly.    Binding Golem's head will reduce his TEC, making Stardust and Rheine deal even more damage.  There's a reason I used Black Mist instead of Cranial Curse for the last Creeping Curse action, and that's because Golem only has 75% resistance to head binds.      Golem restores half its HP upon its first death.   Too bad basically 1/3 of that heal is gone already.   Nuh-uh.  Even against a 75% Stab resistance, this is gonna hurt.  Compression ran out, but honestly, even a standard Thor Formula will be enough to kill Golem here. Plus, it'll trigger Link Order.        And I thought Wyvern was ludicrously easy. Jesus.  SYSTEM: You have mastered your fear and defeated the guardian of the forest of the gods! Still reveling in your victory, you approach the sword you dropped earlier and pick it up. The sword is rusted brown and hardly looks suitable to be wielded... SYSTEM: Nevertheless, you brush off the dust and put it with your belongings before taking your leave of the area.   Another point in Curb ATK Up for Sophie.     Gasser Tree HP: 817, STR: 52, TEC: 39, VIT: 42, AGI: 26, LUC: 47 Skills:
Disable resistances: A tree that grows deep in the forest and emits toxins all around to mark its territory. Gasser Trees can be a terrifying sight if your party is low on HP, and are nuisances at worst otherwise. Poison Sap might be confusing, but it's intentionally designed to screw you over--there's several enemies with at-low-HP or on-death effects in the 6th Stratum, which Poison Sap is designed to trigger.  Ancient Hermit HP: 12, STR: 40, TEC: 39, VIT: 37, AGI: 30, LUC: 38 Skills:
Disable resistances: A crab that has lived for ages in its highly durable shell. Ancient Hermits are an annoyance solely because they can buff other enemies' defense. The only other notable thing about them is that they have 0% resistance to all damage types--even Almighty--meaning that every attack (except for Gae Bolg) will deal 1-3 damage to them. Also, for them, Poison Sap is designed specifically to deny you their conditional.            Yep. The recurring theme of the 6th Stratum is teleporters. Get used to them, and get used to my ugly-rear end way of mapping them later on. Also, shortcuts in the 6th Stratum look like that.       Here's some things. Next time: The Great Gonzales vs. Rawk Hawk! ...Okay, fine, Guild Lumen vs. Master Bird. Rea fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Pre-Update 58: Master Bird pre-fight overview Master Bird HP: 30000, STR: 82, TEC: 61, VIT: 55, AGI: 54, LUC: 58 Skills:
Disable resistances: The great chicken of legend, the enlightened master of several styles of martial arts. Master Bird comes down to "can you keep him from one-shotting your core party members, and kill him before Crimson Cyclone comes out." That's legitimately all there is to the fight. Being able to bind his head at the start to stop Dread Stare is nice, but not required. I'm not forcing anyone for this fight, so pick whoever you want, with the following advice in mind:
Damage dealers: Zack, Freyja, Stardust, Asriel, Jackie, Tyler, Ranger Defense: Phoebe, Ursa Support: Nadia, Realga, Milly, Sophie, Colette, Rheine Vote for a maximum of four characters, at least one from each category, with a max of two votes per character.
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Zack, Phoebe, Nadia, Milly.
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